Advice on First Cycle - Win + Ava

[my username]

Hi guys,

Thanks in advanced for reading; I will provide you with as much information as I can.

I am 5'7", 23.5 years old, 130 pounds. I have been working out on and off for 10 years, mainly doing maintenance as of recent. Luckily my genetics allow me to retain most of my muscle with mere push ups and such. I can do 15 pull ups, hanging to chin.

Now my big no-no here, is that I have no access to Test. What I do have, is this:

100 tabs 10mg Anavar
100 tabs 50mg Winstrol
Triazole (T boost, anti-est)
MusclePharm Combat Protein
Opti-Men Multivitamins


On top of this, I am taking an a-typical anti-depressant which inhibits the re-uptake or nor-adrenaline and dopamine. I have read that if anything, this drug will also increase testosterone .

My goals are not to look like a cartoon character.. in fact, I am pretty happy with my look already. I just want to add a tiny bit of lean muscle and get cut.

Because of my goals and my lack of access to T, this is my current plan:

25mg Win
10mg Var
Multivitamins
Protein
Triazole - (To counter the shut down, or for PCT??)

I know that my first cycle should be just test, but this is my situation, and I would like to at least try it.

What do you guys think? What else, besides a good diet, should i add to make this first cycle of mine relatively easy on my body, and moderately successful?

Thanks again

-MU

[Back In Black]

Are you male or female?

[mietek]

orals are toxic to liver, it is not good idea to have two orals at the same time

unless you have liver donor on standby

you take only 10 mg of anavar and it is very mild so you can get away with this but on other hand 10 mg of anavar will no nothing

[my username]

I am a male, taking Var... yes

So even just 25mg of win with 10mg var could be too toxic? what about 50mg win and no var?

I hear that anavar is bad for gains.. i am planning to use it more as maintenance. A very expensive, and minor part of my maintenance.

[ojm3]

Test only is advised for first cycle.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[my username]

You didn't read my whole post did you

But yes i know and thanks for the link

[ojm3]

I didn't see the no access to test part I'm a skim reader at times. Orals are pretty harsh on the liver. It's advised to always use test during the cycle. IMO I'd wait for the test and do a bit more research. 130 seems real light. You should hit the diet and nutrition section get some info and bring your diet up to par. I don't see an AI, hcg , or any sort of pct in your plan.

You want a tiny bit of muscle and to cut up?

These two goals are very easily attained through proper diet and training.

Get your diet in check and train consistently for a year or two then cycle.

10 years on and off and 130 lbs with no diet tells me your not ready.

Not trying to beat you up when I joined I was light uneducated about aas and looking to cycle. These good Bros here helped me get squared away without gear.

[zempey]

Sounds like a cycle that will do more harm than good. You can make your own decisions, but this is a poor one if you decide to run it.

[Haydenz]

Im against this, makes no sense, you're joints are going to be a world of pain

[my username]

May get my hands on some test E actually. Would this make the cycle good?

[ojm3]

You need a diet and a consistent gym routine. Not juice. Diet bro! Get your weight up to around 165-170 then try juice

[Haydenz]

May get my hands on some test E actually. Would this make the cycle good?

TEST E only for first cycle bro

You dont know what this stuff is going todo with you, You run 1 compound first to see what side effects you get, if you throw three in at the beginning you wont be able to pin points what is actually doing it or how to counter the issue.

More isnt always better.

[Buster Brown]

May get my hands on some test E actually. Would this make the cycle good?

If you can't access some tes then wait until you can. An all oral cycle equals lots of sides and poor post cycle results.

[my username]

I see. So would starting with 25mg winstrol only be preferred? Maybe my young blood, anti-depressant test and increase free test from win would be enough to counter sides for a short cycle?

[my username]

Should i get test and injectable deca ? Which test for cutting?

[zempey]

You should forget about steroids for now and learn how to eat and train to put on some mass naturally.

[Haydenz]

You should forget about steroids for now and learn how to eat and train to put on some mass naturally.

Yeah I have to agree, Im getting this vibe you havent done enough research,

[Buster Brown]

I think at this point it would be in your best interest to do some real research and educate yourself on what the different compounds do. Throwing everything but the kitchen sink is not the way to go.

[zempey]

And being only 130lbs you clearly need to spend some time researching diet. We aren't bashing you, just trying to help you help yourself.

[my username]

No yeah i totally get what you all are saying.

To be honest, I just got myself 20ml of 450mg supertest, 100 tabs 50mg clomid and 50 tabs 20mg nolva.. I am an extremely impulsive buyer :/

But to be honest again.. I WILL start by dieting and more strength/conditioning with no substances. I want to be in peak performance levels before resorting to the drugas

[zempey]

What is in the super test, the breakdown?

[my username]

32 mg per ml of testosterone acetate
147 mg per ml of testosterone decanoate
73 mg per ml of testosterone propionate
73 mg per ml of testosterone phenylpropionate
125 mg per ml of testosterone cypionate

Seems like it is catered toward gains more so than cutting. Maybe I should start with this test alone?

Thoughts? Soon as the liquor start runnin out thots

[reporich]

Dude do your own research! You've received great advise but you don't listen...

[my username]

I have and I am..

I said I will wait until my body is ready. I got test like was advised. Maybe the wrong test, but got pct shit too

[mod1-4]

32 mg per ml of testosterone acetate 147 mg per ml of testosterone decanoate 73 mg per ml of testosterone propionate 73 mg per ml of testosterone phenylpropionate 125 mg per ml of testosterone cypionate Seems like it is catered toward gains more so than cutting. Maybe I should start with this test alone? Thoughts? Soon as the liquor start runnin out thots

At a 130 lbs 75 Mgs of prop and 75 of phenyl prop will cripple you. That blend is retarded, only 260 Mgs are a long ester so unless you shoot eod you're wasting half of it

[mod1-4]

Just wait

[my username]

Until what weight?

[ojm3]

Until what weight?

Till you have matured enough to heed the advice given. When you are able to instill self discipline through years of training and diet. Wait till you have worked through your impulsive nature and learned to do research of your own.

[my username]

Alright I get it. My chronic boredom, impulsivity and need for stimulation may be fogging my perception. I can assure you I will research more once products are in hand. Test, liver maintenance and PCT I need more work on. I can juice 2/7s of the stuff every other day thats no problem
. But I need to research to under stand why.

I do appreciate all of the advice and I will wait a bit until I put these substances in my body which could quite possibly give me horrible side effects. You guys stopped a self destructive young adult from potentially injuring his body permanently, which i appreciate and respect.

Edit - *Will definitely give me side effects

[Khazima]

Alright I get it. My chronic boredom, impulsivity and need for stimulation may be fogging my perception. I can assure you I will research more once products are in hand. Test, liver maintenance and PCT I need more work on. I can juice 2/7s of the stuff every other day thats no problem
. But I need to research to under stand why.

I do appreciate all of the advice and I will wait a bit until I put these substances in my body which could quite possibly give me horrible side effects. You guys stopped a self destructive young adult from potentially injuring his body permanently, which i appreciate and respect.

Edit - *Will definitely give me side effects

Exactly the same thing happened to me when i came here man, had 2 vials of test arriving the next day, pins and all, no ai, hcg , pct or knowledge just 2 vials of test and an impulsive drive that gets me into sticky situations often.

The guys here talked me out of it with some tough love and i'm thankful i heard the warning and decided to do some more research, which lead me onto a decision to wait a while longer.

[my username]

Tough love is the only love

It seems as though you benefited from taking a wait, which is encouraging. I'll just start with my whey protein, dieting and multivitamins until i know exactly what is going in my body.

When i do start, i should have enough supplements. Got the clomid and nolva for PCT, OTC triazole for AI, slowly but surely realizing that too much prop at one time will destroy me and will do eod for sure, test with winny to combat joint pain, only one oral at a time, NAC N-Acetyl Cysteine to support liver, multivitamins protein and diet to aid body repairs and such, **** the tribulous because the shit is bunk.. an aphrodisiac that ups estrogen more so than test

[ojm3]

Same for me dudes came on here light weight no diet with source on hand ready to pin...these dudes burned me good but it was for the best!

[ojm3]

Get some hcg in there too bud!