Need opinions for gearing up tomorrow - burned twice

**m16a2** · 01-04-2015, 08:29 PM

So I started a test enan cycle using QV gear in Mexico on Dec 7. After 4 weeks, I can tell that I'm not feeling 750mg/week that I'm pinning and sure enough, I research a little to find out that QV doesn't stand for quality anymore. It's all counterfeits. Shame on me.

Today, I went to my shop and explained the fact that their QV was bunk. After some protesting, they showed me their stockpile of gear and I couldn't tell real from counterfeit. I have been inactive for years now and I didn't even know that QV was bunk. Sure enough, I took 5 bottles of Sterils Cyp 200mg/ml. Definitely counterfeit, potentially total bunk or underdosed. Burn me once, shame one me. Burn me twice, shame on me again but be terrified. I'm going to head to my shop tomorrow morning, give them back their 5 bottles of Steris and try to figure out how to tell what in that box is real. They had at least 8-15 brands but I know the QV and Steris are counterfeit. I think their 250mg/1ml sust is real but they want 20$ per amp. That would be 40-60$/week, which just isn't worth it.

Is there any advice or suggestions to find the legit gear out of *my supplier's box of gear*? Any brands that I can count on or look up online while I am there. I have 3G data on my phone, so I can research while in the shop; and won't leave again until I'm sure I'm walking out with legit/proper gear. Or should I just pony up the 60$/wk for the sust and know that I'm getting the real deal?

Sorry to ask.. but this old member does need help.

**swolehead** · 01-04-2015, 10:25 PM

It's all fake go somewere els

**tdoe11** · 01-04-2015, 10:39 PM

I agree go somewhere else. And just because it's 20 bucks an amp doesn't make it real.

**lovbyts** · 01-04-2015, 10:41 PM

Sorry but it really doesn't matter how long you have been here you cant go fishing for a source here. Being here a long time only means you should know the rules better than others.
Best of luck.

**m16a2** · 01-04-2015, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Sorry but it rally doesnt matter how long you have been here you cant go fishing for a source here. Being here a long time only means you should know the rules better than others.
Best of luck.

Right, I can see why you would read it that way. I was more asking for a recommendation on a brand to look for in my current supplier. I'm not looking for a new source and I would not be open to one to be honest.

It didn't used to be so PC here but I understand it... so if you read what I posted - if you can recommend things to look for in their inventory? It was a big box and there were lots of brands.. I'm not deaf to the recommendations of others to go somewhere else, but what you don't know is that I have an existing relationship with the supplier for a very long time - that isn't easy in a border city. The problem is that they don't know real from counterfeit themselves, so it isn't the place that is screwed - just their inventory. I'll wager that there were some gems there... I saw one bottle of Watson 200mg/ml 10ml that was legit but they only had one with no plans to get more. The sust is 1ml vials of organan and their cost is high, which is why they can't discount it to me very much, even after these screwups. I'm confident it is real but it is "in-front of the counter" gear. Not from the box of goodies.

So the point is that I'm about to have some in-store credit for some returned merchandise and I was just looking for opinions on what to look for. With the internet, I should be able to lookup a batch number at least or do some basic confirmation. Any advice about that would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry for sounding like a fisher - I am not and have I never fished for sources on AnabolicReview / this forum before, I respect the rules more than anyone since I grew up here (in a way). Lol

**lovbyts** · 01-04-2015, 11:19 PM

OK I can see how it can be confused and it is a fine line especially since we have this new section about UGL. You might have better luck checking here for answers.
DISCUSSION OF STEROID BRANDS and UGL's

**m16a2** · 01-05-2015, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

OK I can see how it can be confused and it is a fine line especially since we have this new section about UGL. You might have better luck checking here for answers.
DISCUSSION OF STEROID BRANDS and UGL's

Post edited to avoid seeming like a fish.

**lovbyts** · 01-05-2015, 01:27 AM

Yeah no matter what it can be sketchy. Most of the time anyone coming to you giving advice especially unsolicited or otherwise I would find suspect so be cautious about anyone seeming to be too helpful.

**marcus300** · 01-05-2015, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Yeah no matter what it can be sketchy. Most of the time anyone coming to you giving advice especially unsolicited or otherwise I would find suspect so be cautious about anyone seeming to be too helpful.

Your fast and good. I can't keep up with you

**m16a2** · 01-05-2015, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Yeah no matter what it can be sketchy. Most of the time anyone coming to you giving advice especially unsolicited or otherwise I would find suspect so be cautious about anyone seeming to be too helpful.

The guys in the pharmacy couldn't care less. They have gear and it's for sale. They showed me all their gear and said to pick anything I wanted since I said the last ones were fake. They aren't helpful at all! All I know is that they know (they think they know) I won't pay XX$/vial for sust. But I actually might try it, just 3 weeks worth. Wasted money, I know, but at least I can prove it to myself that it isn't just in my head. Maybe all my gear so far is counterfeit but that usually only means underdosed. I'm of the belief that if you don't know what you are putting into yourself, just don't. But I figure that sust is shorter esters and if I'm feeling it after three weeks, I know that the first two were truely bunk.

The other approach is to ask some bros on here with TJ pharmacy experience if there is a particular Mexican brand/product that I can look for... verify on my iphone before walking out and then I know I got some "real" gear finally. I'm heading down there in an hour, still trying to decide if I want to pick up that Watson Cyp, which could also be a knock-off, but I might be able to verify in the store. At least one will be real! And then, I can load up on enough sust to mix enan/sust for 3 weeks and that'll be my test.. I've been reduced to a guinea pig. And yeah, bloodwork is a good idea. I don't want my PCP asking questions and she's all the way up in Santa Monica... so maybe there is a clinic in TJ that can do the bloodwork... I bet it'll be cheaper and would be definitive proof.

Sorry for thinking out loud. But hopefully this thread helps someone someday.

**hawk14dl** · 01-05-2015, 01:49 PM

Not really supposed to price talk either. You should probably edit that out

**m16a2** · 01-05-2015, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by hawk14dl

Not really supposed to price talk either. You should probably edit that out

Right you are. Edited.

**m16a2** · 01-05-2015, 02:31 PM

So I went this morning and swapped out the gear. Got 1 vial of Watson cyp that looks very legit. Enough to fool me. And I got 12 vials of sust. Gonna take it one month at a time since cost is pretty high. Planning to blend some cyp into the sust to keep levels steady with the longer ester.

**Buster Brown** · 01-05-2015, 03:03 PM

Bro......the world ISN'T flat! Stop dealing with these guys. Definition of insanity: repeating the same mistake over and over. Its all a risk so why take one with someone who keeps sharting on you.

**m16a2** · 01-05-2015, 05:27 PM

Yeah dude, I'm definitely insane but done with dealing with them too. I'll find another means.

Btw, the Watson 200 mg/ml 10mg test cyp might in fact be bad gear afterall. The bottle and label are perfect but people are saying even on HRT/TRT from Walgreens and CVS they got this same gear and it was bad. So, burned again!!! That must be a record.

But at least my Sust is legit, so I have one month of decent, overlypriced gear. Enough said. Going to move on to greener pastures.

**Buster Brown** · 01-05-2015, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by m16a2

Yeah dude, I'm definitely insane but done with dealing with them too. I'll find another means.

Btw, the Watson 200 mg/ml 10mg test cyp might in fact be bad gear afterall. The bottle and label are perfect but people are saying even on HRT/TRT from Walgreens and CVS they got this same gear and it was bad. So, burned again!!! That must be a record.

But at least my Sust is legit, so I have one month of decent, overlypriced gear. Enough said. Going to move on to greener pastures.

Yup........we have all eaten that s**t sandwich before. Good luck.

**m16a2** · 01-05-2015, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

Yup........we have all eaten that s**t sandwich before. Good luck.

I've eaten my fair share though. I should know better... but being out of the game for years really makes you forget some of the basics. Btw - I can already feel the Sust. My gear was bunk, definitely. Guys, stay away from Mexico.

Thanks