First Cycle: Test E (critique)

**gummyworm** · 02-09-2015, 08:56 AM

Whats up guys? I am about to begin my first cycle of test e within the next month or two and was wanting some feedback and critiquing from some veterans on this forum. My stats are: ht: 5' 11", wt: 185. BF: 9-10% age: 21 (inb4 too young comments)...been training for 5 years now, Diet is on point.

My PLAN:
Test E -wks 1-12: 500mg/wk Mon/Thurs
Arimidex -wks 1-14: .5mg eod
Clomid -wks 15-18: 100/50/50/50
Nolva -wks 15-18: 40/40/20/20

Any feedback would be appreciated, Thanks fellas. Please chill with the too young responses a simple critique is all im here for...

**marcus300** · 02-09-2015, 09:00 AM

You really should reconsider, I know you may think your ready but you should listen to people who know the dangers and inho the risks are just not worth it when you can gain the same amount without going on cycle if you knew how to eat and train correctly to build size/mass.

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

**clarky.** · 02-09-2015, 09:00 AM

Your to young

**gummyworm** · 02-09-2015, 09:08 AM

Marcus, Thanks for the reply. And I know these things. And I DO know how to correctly train/eat and NO i can not put on the same amount of mass as if I were on test. Im a certified personal trainer and have done two amateur physique competitions, both in which I've won. I'm looking to do nationals and need size. Havent had bloods done yet but know there is some problems with my natty t levels just from dieting down to extremely low bf for my shows.

**marcus300** · 02-09-2015, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by gummyworm

Marcus, Thanks for the reply. And I know these things. And I DO know how to correctly train/eat and NO i can not put on the same amount of mass as if I were on test. Im a certified personal trainer and have done two amateur physique competitions, both in which I've won. I'm looking to do nationals and need size. Havent had bloods done yet but know there is some problems with my natty t levels just from dieting down to extremely low bf for my shows.

Yes you can you just don't know how to, forget the personal certified trainer when it comes to size and mass trust me. Its a huge learning curve what you need to go through. If you suspect you have low T go and get bloods done and see your doctor but if its just through dieting then they will come back but for sure if you tank your natural test now with a cycle you will end up with problems and no matter what size you put on you will lose because your body cant support it. Honest look at your training and diet for further gains and IMHO you don't need to be shutting down your natural test at your age no matter what, the risks are just not worth it especially after what you just told me.

I'll leave your thread now because I sense you don't want to listen to what ive got to say but one day you will look back and wished you listen to me, best of luck you'll need it .

**gummyworm** · 02-09-2015, 09:40 AM

Any body thatd like to chime in without going down the too young road? I know theyre are plenty of fellas that began in their early 20's here.

**ojm3** · 02-09-2015, 01:01 PM

Marcus is the real deal and knows firsthand what aas can do to a young hpta. Look at his avatar. Doesn't he look like he knows his shit? Listen bud...This forum is for experienced Bros to help out the lesser experienced. When we see a person who has chose to self destruct they get no help. This is a place for spreading knowledge and helping people out. We aren't interested in helping a person potentially screw up their lives.

Round here when the Bros say your too young that's all your going to get. Fishing for a yound dude for support is going to get you flamed hard and nowhere fast.

**xLoganx** · 02-09-2015, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by ojm3

Marcus is the real deal and knows firsthand what aas can do to a young hpta. Look at his avatar. Doesn't he look like he knows his shit? Listen bud...This forum is for experienced Bros to help out the lesser experienced. When we see a person who has chose to self destruct they get no help. This is a place for spreading knowledge and helping people out. We aren't interested in helping a person potentially screw up their lives. .

I couldn't agree any more. You are not going to find anyone here, or probably anywhere else that has some sense in their late 30's or 40's telling you that they took AAS when they were younger and they suggest it to you. Pressing the issue, like all it will take would be for ONE jack off to tell you that you'd be good to go and it would give you the green light is NOT going to change the facts.

Is there such an urgency that you cannot afford to research a diet program for 12 months to put on size and execute it, before taking such a trade off for your health that can affect you forever?? 4-5 years will come quicker than you think.

Wish you luck. Hope you take heed of Marcus' advice.