Boldenone vs deca

[fitguy]

Which do you guys find better for mass gains and retaining gains afterwards,thanks

[marcus300]

Zero comparison - deca all the way. Bold is useless.

Gains are all down to your pct, diet and trianing

[fitguy]

Zero comparison - deca all the way. Bold is useless.

Gains are all down to your pct, diet and trianing

Ok going to run test for 12 weeks at 500mg
Deca durabolin for 10 weeks at 400 mg
Anadrol or dbol for the first 4 weeks didnt decide yet
Aramidex 0.5 mg daily
Hcg 2500iu twice per week up to pct
Will end the cycle up to pct for 4 weeks with anavar to harden my gains and cut a little
Pct clomid and nolva for 4 weeks after
Do i need to change or adjust anything regarding this cycle?

[Bio-Active]

Nandralone all the way... No comparison

[fitguy]

Nandralone all the way... No comparison

Should i change anything about my cycle

[Mr.BB]

Should i change anything about my cycle

If you dont mind pinning eod, npp is a shorter ester of nandrolone which has some benefits.

[Bio-Active]

Should i change anything about my cycle

you meant hcg at 250 iu 2xew right? I agree i much prefer npp as appose to the deconate ester. That's up to you but I like the faster acting compound even though you pin more often. You should have caber or prami if needed as well

[fitguy]

you meant hcg at 250 iu 2xew right? I agree i much prefer npp as appose to the deconate ester. That's up to you but I like the faster acting compound even though you pin more often. You should have caber or prami if needed as well

I will try to get npp but shouldnt i run test prop then if am gonna run npp instead of test enath or cypionate ? Yes i was talking about running hcg twice per week 5000 iu total per week

[Mr.BB]

I will try to get npp but shouldnt i run test prop then if am gonna run npp instead of test enath or cypionate? Yes i was talking about running hcg twice per week 5000 iu total per week

You can run either prop or enanth, for 12 weeks I would do enanth

I hope you mean 500ui HCG per week

[Bio-Active]

I will try to get npp but shouldnt i run test prop then if am gonna run npp instead of test enath or cypionate? Yes i was talking about running hcg twice per week 5000 iu total per week

it doesn't really matter as long as you are running test as a base for your cycle. I prefer cyp myself with npp

[fitguy]

it doesn't really matter as long as you are running test as a base for your cycle. I prefer cyp myself with npp

So for how long should i run both ?

[Bio-Active]

So for how long should i run both ?

you can run the npp right up to the last test pin and then start your pct 14 days from then

[fitguy]

you can run the npp right up to the last test pin and then start your pct 14 days from then

How many weeks should i run it for

[Bio-Active]

How many weeks should i run it for

what is your cycle experience? 12 is a good number

[NACH3]

^^^ Agree w/all above mentioned statements... And make sure your not exceeding 500iu if hCG wkly(not 5000iu)....

And I'm gettin ready for prop/NPP myself as j don't mind pinnin ed or eod... Plus if sh*t goes bad and its the first time running Nandrolone you can pull the plug on the cycle (but test e you wouldn't)

You'll be fine as long as you follow safe correct protocol.... Definitely have caber or prami(as mentioned by Bio)...GL OP!

[tcw]

Jesus...there's a name i haven't heard in awhile.

How the Hell did you get a hold of Boldenone ?

[Red Bastard]

Aramidex 0.5 mg daily

That's quite a lot of Adex! Any reason why you're using 4x the typical dose?

[fitguy]

That's quite a lot of Adex! Any reason why you're using 4x the typical dose?

How much should i use then?

[fitguy]

^^^ Agree w/all above mentioned statements... And make sure your not exceeding 500iu if hCG wkly(not 5000iu)....

And I'm gettin ready for prop/NPP myself as j don't mind pinnin ed or eod... Plus if sh*t goes bad and its the first time running Nandrolone you can pull the plug on the cycle (but test e you wouldn't)


You'll be fine as long as you follow safe correct protocol.... Definitely have caber or prami(as mentioned by Bio)...GL OP!

Yes sorry i meant 500iu not 5000

[fitguy]

Running npp and test prop for 12 weeks gonna be too much isnt it?

[Mr.BB]

Running npp and test prop for 12 weeks gonna be too much isnt it?

If you dont mind the pinning and rotate place its not a problem, although you should drop npp one week before test. I would add the dbol in last 4 weeks, finish big

[NACH3]

Running npp and test prop for 12 weeks gonna be too much isnt it?

Not at all... But run your test for 1-2 wks longer than your NPP...I even prefer prop as my base... Like Mr.BB stated if you don't mind pinnin ed or eod then go for prop/NPP(I'm starting within a wk - pretty much the same...

hCG 250iu e3.5d(twice a wk)
Liqidex .25 start and adjust if needed(a single dose of a-dex can lower E2 by 70% in just one dose... Like RedBastard said .5 is to high to start .25 is a good starting point)
Prami/caber(I'm gonna be taking prami - starting low .125mg and adjust accordingly)

Keep your E2 in check and your sides will be very low... And shouldn't need to worry about your prolactin if E2 is controlled! But better to be safe so Do have caber/Prami b4 starting... IMHO!

[mietek]

run both deca and bold, good gains and results

[fitguy]

If you dont mind the pinning and rotate place its not a problem, although you should drop npp one week before test. I would add the dbol in last 4 weeks, finish big

Finish with dbol or kickstart? I was thinking maybe finish with anavar

[fitguy]

Not at all... But run your test for 1-2 wks longer than your NPP...I even prefer prop as my base... Like Mr.BB stated if you don't mind pinnin ed or eod then go for prop/NPP(I'm starting within a wk - pretty much the same...

hCG 250iu e3.5d(twice a wk)
Liqidex .25 start and adjust if needed(a single dose of a-dex can lower E2 by 70% in just one dose... Like RedBastard said .5 is to high to start .25 is a good starting point)
Prami/caber(I'm gonna be taking prami - starting low .125mg and adjust accordingly)

Keep your E2 in check and your sides will be very low... And shouldn't need to worry about your prolactin if E2 is controlled! But better to be safe so Do have caber/Prami b4 starting... IMHO!

Can you give me more info about caber or prami?

[jimmyinkedup]

They are dopamine agonist which lower prolactin. 19 nors like tren and nandrolone seem to increase prolactin.
I personally prefer prami, as was said start dosing it low and work up to .5mg/day, taken at night, before bed, with food in stomach.

[Mr.BB]

Finish with dbol or kickstart? I was thinking maybe finish with anavar

Never used anavar as the real stuff is very expensive and very mild. Most thats out there is fake.

If bulking dbol is great imo, very bad for cutting lol

[Juced_porkchop]

Zero comparison - deca all the way. Bold is useless.

Gains are all down to your pct, diet and trianing

YESSSS!!! WE AGREE!!!! : D *pops champagne* lol ; )

Deca hands down. if i was gonna piss $ away I would just get more test and up the AI IMO. and i know guy use same lab and gear as me, same batch ,,, and gained nothing from crap diet.. wings and beer at pub 2 days a weeka nd crappy diet rest of week ... i told him its about hard work not steroids .... some people dont listen!
but Deca is way better for gains and in general in my opinion.

[Juced_porkchop]

Never used anavar as the real stuff is very expensive and very mild. Most thats out there is fake.

If bulking dbol is great imo, very bad for cutting lol

you can cut on dbol or drol or other water holding aas, the water goes away, BUT estrogen control should be a big focus if cutting. I find lower estrogen ( normal to low-normal) and high test is greatest for fatloss ( with diet and training on point ofcourse)

[Mr.BB]

you can cut on dbol or drol or other water holding aas, the water goes away, BUT estrogen control should be a big focus if cutting. I find lower estrogen ( normal to low-normal) and high test is greatest for fatloss ( with diet and training on point ofcourse)

Yeah agreed, its just that i cant really do cardio with the dbol pumps, and no cardio no cutting imo

[Red Bastard]

How much should i use then?

Liqidex .25 start and adjust if needed(a single dose of a-dex can lower E2 by 70% in just one dose... Like RedBastard said .5 is to high to start .25 is a good starting point)

.25 mg, yes, but start at EOD, not ED...

[fitguy]

.25 mg, yes, but start at EOD, not ED...

I found a deca mixture from global pharma thats the only deca having npp that i can get,no pure npp alone anyone used this and how can i plan such a cycle? Thx

[Mr.BB]

Deca and npp are the same steroid nandrolone with different esters.

Deca-durabolin is the commercial name of nandrolone undecanoate. NPP is short for Nandrolone Phenyl Propionate .

If it exists the mixture you are saying is quite useless IMO

Whats your cycle history? If its your 1st cycle or if you dont cycle in a long time it would be more benefitial to do a testosterone cycle only.

[NACH3]

.25 mg, yes, but start at EOD, not ED...

RED... Nice catch... As I didn't specify! Thx for OPs sake!

[fitguy]

Deca and npp are the same steroid nandrolone with different esters.

Deca-durabolin is the commercial name of nandrolone undecanoate. NPP is short for Nandrolone Phenyl Propionate .

If it exists the mixture you are saying is quite useless IMO

Whats your cycle history? If its your 1st cycle or if you dont cycle in a long time it would be more benefitial to do a testosterone cycle only.

I know the differences what i mean is i didnt find a npp only,the mixture am talking about contains 3 esters

[Roger11]

i use both eq and deca together.

am i saying you should? No, i use fairly high doses of both because i choose to but if going one or the other then yes, deca for sure. Eq needs to be run at high doses for a lengthy period of time to really see anything. Honestly for me, i wouldnt run it any less than 20 or so weeks. Serious. Just on of those compounds, so its not the best. Also needs to be run at least a gram, im on 800mg atm and really think it needs to be bumped up. So its not the best value for money steroid especially when its next to deca or tren .

[fitguy]

i use both eq and deca together.

am i saying you should? No, i use fairly high doses of both because i choose to but if going one or the other then yes, deca for sure. Eq needs to be run at high doses for a lengthy period of time to really see anything. Honestly for me, i wouldnt run it any less than 20 or so weeks. Serious. Just on of those compounds, so its not the best. Also needs to be run at least a gram, im on 800mg atm and really think it needs to be bumped up. So its not the best value for money steroid especially when its next to deca or tren.

If i am gonna run caber with my test deca cycle should i start before cycle or only with my cycle? Also should i run aramidex since the beginning or only of i started to have sides?

[Mr.BB]

If i am gonna run caber with my test deca cycle should i start before cycle or only with my cycle? Also should i run aramidex since the beginning or only of i started to have sides?

In my opinion you should only use caber if needed

[fitguy]

In my opinion you should only use caber if needed

So shouldnt i start caber since the start?also what about aramidex?

[Mr.BB]

So shouldnt i start caber since the start?also what about aramidex?

I dont start caber from the beginning but you should know the side effects of high prolactin.

Arimidex needs to start from beggining in all cycles