Starting DECA today still have questions

**Phastroh** · 04-02-2015, 11:32 AM

So I start my DECA today or tonight. I have now posted a few threads on this but this one has a slight twist to it. Thanks in advance.

This is what I was taking on HRT.

150MG of CYP every 2 weeks.
1/2 pill 3 times a week of Arimidex

I decided to go weekly with my Test since my DECA is weekly. I was going to just split it 75MG a week but today I did the 100MG of CYP. I will have to talk with my Dr. to see if he can alter my script to cover the extra 100MG a month or if he thinks going weekly means I do not need to up the dose. Either way.

My 10 week plan.

100MG Test Cyp a week for the rest of my life
150MG DECA a week for 10 weeks.

At some point I am going to add in Winstrol . Not sure when exactly but I do know I am not interested in 50MG every other day or daily. I was thinking 50MG every 5th day.

I am a low doser as you can see.

My last thing is the MAN BOOBS from DECA.

I take Arimidex but I am reading it has almost no effect of DECA due to the way it works by I guess acting on the existing Estrogen not by making Estrogen. Either way I found many places tat say it is nearly useless thinking Arimidex can stop DECA from possibly causing MAN BOOBS.

I am using well under the low dose range already and would never shoot 400MG or even 250MG.

Please I am accepting all comments from the experienced.

**dep30** · 04-02-2015, 11:43 AM

This is just me but if your going with another substance along with test I would up the test to at least 300 a week. If Ur on hrt Ur androgen receptors are use to fireing on Ur hrt dose... Add a little more in the mix to get the most out of it.. I mean don't get ridiculous with it but 150 every two weeks is a pretty low dose even by hrt standards

**Phastroh** · 04-02-2015, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by dep30

This is just me but if your going with another substance along with test I would up the test to at least 300 a week. If Ur on hrt Ur androgen receptors are use to fireing on Ur hrt dose... Add a little more in the mix to get the most out of it.. I mean don't get ridiculous with it but 150 is a pretty low dose even by hrt standards

I can't disagree but that is all I take every 2 weeks. My Labs show me right at the edge of the high range. Not sure I can take anymore legally and I am not wanting any extra pimples lol, too many as is.

**bartman314** · 04-02-2015, 12:12 PM

i ran a test + deca cycle last year and didn't have any gyno problems with no ai or anti-prolactin. it seems that some might be at risk and gyno is typically a side of excess prolactin, not estrogen. caber is used to suppress prolactin. i don't have any experience with caber yet, but will find out soon as my next cycle is test+tren , and tren is apparently a greater prolactin source.

also, i agree with dep 30, your test dose is pretty low, and you may want to up. unless the deca is prescribed, you're already illegal, so what's a bit more?!?

finally, do you plan to cruise on your planned dose, or cycle back down to just test at some point. i'm on hrt too and am curious how you're thinking about it.

**Phastroh** · 04-02-2015, 12:49 PM

No I plan to finish off with Winstrol I think and then cycle off of it back to Test only.

Just 10 weeks on the Deca . Not sure exactly when to even start the Winstrol. I was going to start it maybe around week 8 of the Deca and use it for 4-6 weeks then just Test only after that.

I originally planned to do all 3 together but I have a few Marathons and I have read too many posts about not being able to run on Winstrol and know a few who told me they would get cramps so I can't chance it so between that and the fact using the Winstrol later is typically best that is what I am doing.

There is a chance I may get Anavar but it was 150% more and I still can't be 100% it is real. I may double check into it.

**Phastroh** · 04-02-2015, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by bartman314

i ran a test + deca cycle last year and didn't have any gyno problems with no ai or anti-prolactin. it seems that some might be at risk and gyno is typically a side of excess prolactin, not estrogen. caber is used to suppress prolactin. i don't have any experience with caber yet, but will find out soon as my next cycle is test+tren , and tren is apparently a greater prolactin source.

also, i agree with dep 30, your test dose is pretty low, and you may want to up. unless the deca is prescribed, you're already illegal, so what's a bit more?!?

finally, do you plan to cruise on your planned dose, or cycle back down to just test at some point. i'm on hrt too and am curious how you're thinking about it.

What was your cycle and results? Were you like damn I got big or eh what a waste?

**Bio-Active** · 04-02-2015, 12:53 PM

Why are you running such low doses. Deca at 150 ew is not going to do really anything

**bartman314** · 04-02-2015, 01:02 PM

it was a bit of a miffed 10 week cycle. i started with 500mg sust/week and 300 mg deca /week. i found out my sust was bunk, and transitioned to 300 mg test cyp/week at week 4. i gained maybe 5 lbs of good mass over the 6 weeks of good gear - bf stayed about the same. i wasn't happy about it, but learned a good lesson.

fwiw, my stats at the end of the cycle were: 51, 6'2" 230 lbs, ~12%bf by pictures.

**bartman314** · 04-02-2015, 01:04 PM

oh... i kept the deca the same (300mg/w) through the whole cycle.

**Phastroh** · 04-02-2015, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Bio-Active

Why are you running such low doses. Deca at 150 ew is not going to do really anything

I only have enough to do 200MG for 10 weeks. I have 2 bottles. I was concerned with the sides actually.

I did have a few members tell me my doses were fine for me. It is my 1st cycle.

Great now I am screwed lol

**Bio-Active** · 04-02-2015, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Phastroh

I only have enough to do 200MG for 10 weeks. I have 2 bottles. I was concerned with the sides actually. I did have a few members tell me my doses were fine for me. It is my 1st cycle. Great now I am screwed lol

I would get more and run it higher but I am not prone to sides. As long as you are running an ai to manage estrogen and have caber in case of prolactin sides. Then the sides should be very manageable. Consider holding off on the deca and just bumping the test dose up till you can get more deca

**Phastroh** · 04-02-2015, 06:22 PM

Ok so this is embarrassing. For the last 2-3 years I've been injecting 1.5ml of test not knowing it is 300mg every 2 weeks. I've been thinking its 150mg.

So today when I started my weekly I did 1ml or 200mg.

I also did the same 1ml of Deca so they were equal. I'm far happier.

My buddy also gave me about 8ml of Sust 250 so I'll just put my little remaining Cyp into the jug. Not sure about bumping my T shot. I'm fine with 200mg of each Test and DECA.

The DECA is Nandrolone which they told me is faster acting then normal likeva week not 3 weeks. Not sure if that's true.

**Bio-Active** · 04-02-2015, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Phastroh

Ok so this is embarrassing. For the last 2-3 years I've been injecting 1.5ml of test not knowing it is 300mg every 2 weeks. I've been thinking its 150mg.

So today when I started my weekly I did 1ml or 200mg.

I also did the same 1ml of Deca so they were equal. I'm far happier.

My buddy also gave me about 8ml of Sust 250 so I'll just put my little remaining Cyp into the jug. Not sure about bumping my T shot. I'm fine with 200mg of each Test and DECA.

The DECA is Nandrolone which they told me is faster acting then normal likeva week not 3 weeks. Not sure if that's true.

Nandralon decanate is not fast acting you are thin of Nandralone Phenyl Prop

**Phastroh** · 04-02-2015, 06:31 PM

Not me they said it. It matters not I guess. I have a 1/2 marathon in 3 weeks so by then the DECA will be somewhat going I guess. Wish it helped me run faster lol

**reporich** · 04-02-2015, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Phastroh

Not me they said it. It matters not I guess. I have a 1/2 marathon in 3 weeks so by then the DECA will be somewhat going I guess. Wish it helped me run faster lol

Deca can bloat and cause water retention, that could make for a fun 1/2 marathon ...

**kelkel** · 04-03-2015, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by bartman314

i ran a test + deca cycle last year and didn't have any gyno problems with no ai or anti-prolactin.

There are a ton more sides to high estrogen than just gyno. Never use gyno as a guide to whether you need an AI or not.

**dep30** · 04-03-2015, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

There are a ton more sides to high estrogen than just gyno. Never use gyno as a guide to whether you need an AI or not.

True advice here! ^^^^^^

**btothefman** · 06-07-2015, 03:35 AM

I'm looking at a similar cycle, 500 wk teste and 400mg wk of deca . Will do arim 0.5 eod as I've had water bloating in the past on teste / dbol and teste / tren and I really want to avoid this again. Never had a problem with gyno either.

What are your thoughts on bumping arim to 0.5mg ed for the first two weeks to get the levels high when the teste and later deca starts to kick in?

**numbere** · 06-07-2015, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by btothefman

What are your thoughts on bumping arim to 0.5mg ed for the first two weeks to get the levels high when the teste and later deca starts to kick in?

You should start a new thread with your stats and cycle info. I think that taking dex at 0.5 mg/day, before exogenous test has kicked in and without blood work, is a good way to crash your e2.

**davidtheman100** · 06-07-2015, 02:06 PM

I'd say with that low dose of Deca maybe joint relief and lubricant would be the only benefit you'd mostly see maybe a little water weight gain but nothing of quality in that 10 week span i'd say up the dose of both for your blast if you're gonna do it do it right

**btothefman** · 06-08-2015, 06:00 AM

thanks for the replies,

will drop off the arim then to back to eod and see how things go and watch the quick weight gAins. Getting blood work is a bit of pain in oz so will see, gone well on teste in the past but reading that deca gives watery gains was thinking of ways to avoid that if I can. Read somewhere that starting arim late is like trying to stop a moving train so thus my reason for this thinking.

For the dosages doing 12 weeks (10 deca) but I don't like getting too wired and want to avoid sides and getting things back to normal as for pct am relying on nolv only. When I did tren last in very low dosages some of my pb's nearly doubled, training was awesome and felt like a god but I didn't like the acne or having to **** / squeeze one out three times a day. My missus was tired a lot as I was rolling her over in the middle of the night so want to avoid her being tired / shitty all the time too.

**numbere** · 06-08-2015, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by btothefman

thanks for the replies,

will drop off the arim then to back to eod and see how things go and watch the quick weight gAins. Getting blood work is a bit of pain in oz so will see, gone well on teste in the past but reading that deca gives watery gains was thinking of ways to avoid that if I can. Read somewhere that starting arim late is like trying to stop a moving train so thus my reason for this thinking.

For the dosages doing 12 weeks (10 deca) but I don't like getting too wired and want to avoid sides and getting things back to normal as for pct am relying on nolv only. When I did tren last in very low dosages some of my pb's nearly doubled, training was awesome and felt like a god but I didn't like the acne or having to **** / squeeze one out three times a day. My missus was tired a lot as I was rolling her over in the middle of the night so want to avoid her being tired / shitty all the time too.

This thread belongs to someone else. You need to start your own. Post your whole cycle including AI, hcg and PCT. You should have both nolva and clomid especially if you are using decca