painful injection site, lumps warm to touch.

**Nebis** · 06-20-2015, 12:39 AM

First I'm texting from a cell phone so excuse grammar.

Background of gear: Def a bath brew, I have pics I can post if needed. maker is called menace Pharms and it is test enanthate 350 mg/ml. A gear head at my gym has tried the exact same stuff I am using and said it was legit. Another guy is currently taking same stuff as Me and is 2 more weeks ahead of me and has had no complaints. Using 25 g cc 1" needle (I know I'm buying a 1.5 tomorrow ). injecting 2 cc's a week 3 days apart (1 cc every 3 days)

My background: my injection sites are my glutes(plural because i switch) first cycle and I just took my first injection of my 3rd week yesterday. Have been skeptical of my gear since it is not a pharmicudical brand. From the hours of research I have done I feel like I am getting every symptom of legit test.

The problem: I've always had some soreness hours to a day after injection. Today I noticed on both glutes the injection site is knotted up like a hard ball. Not too big and no more tender then the usual soreness. The site is a little warm to the touch and I am worried. I started taking a antibiotic incase it is a infected abscess and plan on seeking medical attention if it does not get better in the next few days or it drastically gets worse. From my research here are some of the possible reasons this is happening

- needle is not long enough To hit muscle and Is crystalizing in the fat. Supppsidley it just takes longer to absorb in the far and is not a waste of gear

- injecting gear too fast. Usually takes 20 sec to inject 1cc I read that you should make it last a full minute so it can absorb properly

- dirty needle. I always use alcohol swabs but have been using the same needle since first injection (I know I am a ****ing retard but I keep getting denied everywhrre I go and long story short I can't go back to original place). I soak the needle in alcohol before injecting to try and kill as much bacteria and never let it touch anything other then my ass, i alcohol swab the spot of injection before and after. I will not inject another mg without buying a new needle. Please don't berate me to much over this. I understand how stupid it was and am never going to make the same mistake

- injected abscess (worst case senario)

- and this last one is heart breaking but I read this could be a sign my gear is botch. But how come none of my friends are experiencing this?

Either way I wanted to hear some of your guys opinions.

**clarky.** · 06-20-2015, 03:25 AM

Don't know where to start lol right i'll try.

It could be a infection so keep a close eye on it. It could also be you are not doing your pin in the right place hitting a nerve ect.
Test does not crystallize if it goes in to fat people pin sub Q

Using the same pin yes you know this is just asking for trouble and this could be the csuse of all this a blunt pin covered in alcohol. The alcohol wil cause discomfort for sure.

**bigdil511** · 06-20-2015, 04:00 AM

Using the same pin over and over could be the cause as well being that it's blunt and no longer sharp causing a lot more friction. Obviously could be an infection keep an eye out. And you are definitely pinning too quickly. Make it one minute per cc and leave pin in for about 10-15 seconds after than rub with alcohol swab.

**Nebis** · 06-20-2015, 05:14 AM

So what are the chances the pin/alcohol is the irritant and this will go away. Trust me I am taking anti biotics and keeping a close eye on Infection so by saying that the above statement is the problem is not going to distract me from the severity of other possibilities

**clarky.** · 06-20-2015, 06:02 AM

The alcohol will cause pain. You said it's warm to the touch so it will probs be a infection as i said keep a eye on it for getting bigger. If i was you i would go and see the doc you have not been using sterile procedure so it's no surpise there.

**Nebis** · 06-20-2015, 02:03 PM

an update: i woke up today after taking a day of antibiotics with much improvement, the lump has gone down substantially. still keeping an eye on it. thanks for the help guys

**Red Bastard** · 06-20-2015, 02:17 PM

Hope you tossed out those nasty used needles!! Buy some online...

**pitweiler** · 06-20-2015, 04:38 PM

Buying **** online is cheap and it comes fast (for me) last time I bought 100 for like 8 bucks. When you get some. Make sure you get enough to swap out the needle that you draw with for a new one to inject

**NACH3** · 06-20-2015, 05:18 PM

Sounds like an infection(or getting one) you can draw a circle around the redness to see if it gets bigger) keep taking antibiotics even after it's done for at least a wk)...

As mentioned buy some sterile spikes(top right ar-r 'for your research'

what's your bf%? If your 15% yes get 1.5" - also get more so you can draw w/one(a bigger gauge) and then swap out the pin your gonna pin with) clean sterile(and when you swab the inj site, make sure it air drys and don't put alcohol on a needle(zie specially a brand new sterilized one - it has a slippery coating over it to slide in nice and easy...

Keep us updated!

**michael30** · 06-20-2015, 05:48 PM

Op I'm gonna go a different direction. I personally feel 9.9/10 people think they have an infection but in all reality its just the gear causing inflammation and irritating the surrounding area due to the gear, injection techniques or the way there body reacts I've been injecting for 8-9 years(mostly trt) several of which have been sub Q shots. I've got some pretty bad red raised red welts that took time to go away. But the always went away without the use of antibiotics or Dr visit. Personally I think a lot has to do with the recipe of gear and quality of the u.g.l your using. I can inject my prescribed Watson test c sub q and only have slight burning. But then inject a u.g.l. source in the same spot and get a lump that won't go away for 1 week. So even though yours went away after 1 day of antibiotics. There's a good chance it was just a reaction to the gear. Also what kind of antibiotics are you taking? Odds are they didn't take care of an infection in 24hrs or less.(but if there fast acting it is) anyways you did right by keeping an eye on it. If you ever think you actually have an infection. A Dr visit is always best. I just wanted to make you aware that lumps, or red welts or pain are fairly common especially if gear is injected sub q, on purpose or accident(even more so with larger sub q injections). I would get clean needles first then go from there. ****note I just realized your using a very high concentration test, that alone can cause issues. You can try diluting it with GSO and see if that helps.

**NACH3** · 06-20-2015, 06:16 PM

^^ good point michael30...

I missed the 24 hr thing(but glad I said to kp keep taking it if it was an infection.. And I've also had spits welt up(inflame) and yes they usually do go away on their own

I also thought of the UGL concentration being so high(350 is high) and again it's UGL - BA is probly very high...

**bigdil511** · 06-20-2015, 06:17 PM

If you went to the dr what would you say you got the infection from? You don't really want to admit to aas use.

**NACH3** · 06-20-2015, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by bigdil511

If you went to the dr what would you say you got the infection from? You don't really want to admit to aas use.

Never admit to AAS use it'll go directly into your med history/file and your INS could screw you all the time saying it's AAS related! Don't ever admit to AAS use, imho...

**bigdil511** · 06-20-2015, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Never admit to AAS use it'll go directly into your med history/file and your INS could screw you all the time saying it's AAS related! Don't ever admit to AAS use, imho...

that's what I mean how could you explain t?

**NACH3** · 06-20-2015, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by bigdil511

that's what I mean how could you explain t?

Scratched off a little tiny white head(staff inf) idk - that would be my guess, or open wound/scratch and something got in it, a bite(i don't know about a bite) if infected most likely it's a form of cellulitis and would have to be lanced, therefore I'd go w/staff inf - as they need to be lanced...

I had staff(MRSA - Community acquired - usually from a hospital, gym, or jail) was hospitalized for 2 wks) nasty stuff -

**michael30** · 06-20-2015, 06:55 PM

B12 injections or peptides

**michael30** · 06-20-2015, 07:00 PM

Just tell the Dr your trainer or best friend told you to start taking b12 injections or peptides cause there the newest thing. The Dr will give you a lecture about how you should never inject anything on your own. They hell right you a script. Personally I would always do what you did and have a run of antibiotics on hand.

**Nebis** · 06-20-2015, 07:33 PM

- good info thanks for post. the antibiotic i am using is clindamycin hcl 300mg (2 a day). the lumps didnt go away fully but did get smaller over night. i just got done with a long chest and tri workout which irritated them a lot. They didnt grow back in size but they did get much more sore after the workout. the reason they got irritated was because when i would lay down on bench, especially incline bench my upper outer glute would rub and press against the seat as i repped it out.

- i found a place that sold me inter muscular needles very cheap (1$ a piece). the only 1.5 inch needles they had were in 22 gauge where i am use to using a 25 gauge. i am hoping the increase in size will not increase irritation and lumping. I am suppose to do my next hit tomorrow but im going to wait until monday just to give the sites some extra rest.

- i have a doctors appointment on wed where i was going to admit my aas use so he could moniter my blood for safety but after reading your guys posts i think im going to just turn it into a basic check up. id like to atleast moniter my blood pressure and such and i can do that without him knowing about my aas use.

- since my the concentration of my test is so high should i do a little less then a CC? or would that not really make a difference

**NACH3** · 06-20-2015, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by michael30

Just tell the Dr your trainer or best friend told you to start taking b12 injections or peptides cause there the newest thing. The Dr will give you a lecture about how you should never inject anything on your own. They hell right you a script. Personally I would always do what you did and have a run of antibiotics on hand.

Me too! I try and keep em in hand for this reason... But anything to be ready for something(sonething usually happens during a cycle) so it's best to be preventative imo..

**michael30** · 06-20-2015, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Me too! I try and keep em in hand for this reason... But anything to be ready for something(sonething usually happens during a cycle) so it's best to be preventative imo..

Ya I swear nothing can happen in your life for a year. Then you hop on cycle and everything happens at once. Lol you lose your job, you split with the girlfriend/wife, you get sick or injured. You dog dies, you lose your favorite stuffed animal.

**NACH3** · 06-20-2015, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Nebis

- good info thanks for post. the antibiotic i am using is clindamycin hcl 300mg (2 a day). the lumps didnt go away fully but did get smaller over night. i just got done with a long chest and tri workout which irritated them a lot. They didnt grow back in size but they did get much more sore after the workout. the reason they got irritated was because when i would lay down on bench, especially incline bench my upper outer glute would rub and press against the seat as i repped it out.

- i found a place that sold me inter muscular needles very cheap (1$ a piece). the only 1.5 inch needles they had were in 22 gauge where i am use to using a 25 gauge. i am hoping the increase in size will not increase irritation and lumping. I am suppose to do my next hit tomorrow but im going to wait until monday just to give the sites some extra rest.

- i have a doctors appointment on wed where i was going to admit my aas use so he could moniter my blood for safety but after reading your guys posts i think im going to just turn it into a basic check up. id like to atleast moniter my blood pressure and such and i can do that without him knowing about my aas use.

- since my the concentration of my test is so high should i do a little less then a CC? or would that not really make a difference

In bold won't make a difference as its the BA(Benzyl alcohal content) as michael30 stated you can cut w/GSO(grape seed oil) - but you'd have to filter it as well m...

Have you tried delts... W/a 1" pin I bury my injections(even tris - 25g 1" can't go wrong) - w/a 1.5" go in 3/5-3/4 in - less room for error on medial delt - the cap - 90 degree angle(flex first to see where the meat is - then RELAX... Slowly push in and you'll hear a second pinch going into the muscle(usually in my experience) go a lil deeper and inj slowly - 60s per ml your technique will get better

Are you aspirating?

**NACH3** · 06-20-2015, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by michael30

Ya I swear nothing can happen in your life for a year. Then you hop on cycle and everything happens at once. Lol you lose your job, you split with the girlfriend/wife, you get sick or injured. You dog dies, you lose your favorite stuffed animal.

Exactly! Lmao / anything and everything thst can go wrong will go wrong! Sigh lol

**Nebis** · 06-20-2015, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

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In bold won't make a difference as its the BA(Benzyl alcohal content) as michael30 stated you can cut w/GSO(grape seed oil) - but you'd have to filter it as well m...

Have you tried delts... W/a 1" pin I bury my injections(even tris - 25g 1" can't go wrong) - w/a 1.5" go in 3/5-3/4 in - less room for error on medial delt - the cap - 90 degree angle(flex first to see where the meat is - then RELAX... Slowly push in and you'll hear a second pinch going into the muscle(usually in my experience) go a lil deeper and inj slowly - 60s per ml your technique will get better

Are you aspirating?

yea i aspirate . ive read the horror stories of what happens if you accidentally shoot test in to veins.. no thank you