Tren and calories

**colinfinch** · 06-24-2015, 05:50 AM

Hi guys. So after much research and self debate i have decided to run a 8 week cycle of 200mg test prop and 300mg test ace a week (split into eod injections). I will be taking low dose prami throughout, increasing if needed. Also will take low dose arimidex every 3 days.

I am looking to lose body fat and gain lean muscle. I am aware tren can be an excellent compound for this.

Now my question is is tren powerful enough that even if i eat in a slight calorie surplus i can lose body fat? Or should i be on maintenance calories orrrr should i be in a calorie deficit as i would normally do on a cut.

Please only people who have tried the compound to reply

thanks in advance...

EDIT:
Stats
27
93kg
181cm tall
4 previous cycles

**numbere** · 06-24-2015, 06:15 AM

How old are you?
Height?
Weight?
Body fat %?
Hcg ?
PCT?
What is your previous cycle experience?
Do you know your TDEE?

Edit: I took a look at your old thread that covered all my questions.

You would be much better off with either a cut or bulk cycle. Unless you have awesome genetics you can't put on muscle when in a caloric deficit.

I would start with 50-75 mg/EOD of tren then titrate up while watching for side effects. Any plans for using a DA or having BW? IMO aromasin shouldn't be used during PCT. SERMs do their job well. It's not worth crashing your e2. What dosages/deration do you have planned for PCT?

**colinfinch** · 06-24-2015, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by numbere

How old are you?
Height?
Weight?
Body fat %?
Hcg ?
PCT?
What is your previous cycle experience?
Do you know your TDEE?

Edit: I took a look at your old thread that covered all my questions.

You would be much better off with either a cut or bulk cycle. Unless you have awesome genetics you can't put on muscle when in a caloric deficit.

I would start with 50-75 mg/EOD of tren then titrate up while watching for side effects. Any plans for using a DA or having BW? IMO aromasin shouldn't be used during PCT. SERMs do their job well. It's not worth crashing your e2. What dosages/deration do you have planned for PCT?

Sorry i should have put that in this post too.

I previously found pct smoother when i ran aromasin vs when i didnt. Just how i felt.

50-75mg is what i had in mind for tren , id much rather start low with this substance.
I was curious as i know naturally you cannot gain muscle on a cut, but ive heard stories of this being achieved with tren. Just wanted to know how accurate the stories where.

Im sorry im not familiar with the abbriviation DA? BW i will assume is blood works. Yes the cycle will be ran in 2 months time, i will get bw done 1 month before.

And yes i know my tdee

cheers for help mate

**numbere** · 06-24-2015, 09:27 AM

You might feel bigger after you do a cut using tren , but you likely wouldn't have gained anything.

DA is an abbreviation for dopamine agonist. Using a DA can help with side effects from 19nors. Most notable is increased prolactin. If you control your e2 by using a AI then you might be able to negate the need for a DA. Regardless you should have a DA on hand. Mid cycle BW is really helpful here, as it will let you know your e2 and prolactin levels. The attached thread below by JIU has a nice summery on the most popular DAs.

http://Ancillary Reference Guide

**colinfinch** · 06-24-2015, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by numbere

You might feel bigger after you do a cut using tren , but you likely wouldn't have gained anything.

DA is an abbreviation for dopamine agonist. Using a DA can help with side effects from 19nors. Most notable is increased prolactin. If you control your e2 by using a AI then you might be able to negate the need for a DA. Regardless you should have a DA on hand. Mid cycle BW is really helpful here, as it will let you know your e2 and prolactin levels. The attached thread below by JIU has a nice summery

Ok i will try that then with blood works.

N ahh yeh you must have missed in my first post in this thread i said ill be running prami (pramipexole) at a low dose throughout; )

**BulldogMatt** · 06-24-2015, 10:12 AM

With tren on your otherwise maintenance calories you will get much stronger and burn fat at the same time. Even testosterone has that effect.

**jimmyinkedup** · 06-24-2015, 11:33 AM

When you try to recomp you ultimattely rob yourself in one area or another. You would be better suited IMO, as numbre suggested, picking either a cut or a bulk. Trying to get the best of both worlds inevitably costs you in either amount of muscle built or amount of fat lost. What is the reasoning for trying to recomp as opposed to picking one or the other?

**tice1212** · 06-24-2015, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

When you try to recomp you ultimattely rob yourself in one area or another. You would be better suited IMO, as numbre suggested, picking either a cut or a bulk. Trying to get the best of both worlds inevitably costs you in either amount of muscle built or amount of fat lost. What is the reasoning for trying to recomp as opposed to picking one or the other?

Totally agree!

**colinfinch** · 06-24-2015, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

When you try to recomp you ultimattely rob yourself in one area or another. You would be better suited IMO, as numbre suggested, picking either a cut or a bulk. Trying to get the best of both worlds inevitably costs you in either amount of muscle built or amount of fat lost. What is the reasoning for trying to recomp as opposed to picking one or the other?

Ok thanks for the advice mate. I may just stick with a cut.

The reason for recomp was who wouldnt want to lose fat and gain mass at the same time if it was possible ? appreciate i may not get the results i initially anticipated so will alter my approach! Cheers guys