Test E 500 Tren E 500 Dianabol 20mg cycle. Advice needed.

[Bigev11]

Stats

Age:27
Weight: 96kg
Height: 6'2"
BF: 12%
Training exp: 15 years total - 10 years serious
Gear exp: 6 cycles - test e, tren e, dianabol , anadrol , deca

Proposed cycle:

Dbol -Wk 1-3 (20mg/day)
Tren E 250 -Wk 1-10 (2.0ml x 2) {total of 500 a week}
Test E 300 -Wk 1-12 (1.66ml x 2) {total of 500 a week}

HCG (Pregnyl) -Wk 10-14 (1250ui/wk)
Clomid -Wk 14-18 (50mg/day)

How does this look to all you more experienced guys? I've been researching my ass off the last few months and spent countless hours on these forums trying to get the required amount of knowledge to make the most out of this course. I realise that I should include Aromasin throughout but after 2 months of searching, none of my contacts can get their hands on it, or any other decent AI for that matter.
I have read conflicting views on the use of HCG during cycle as opposed to at the end of cycle, And the fact that is can increase gyno symptoms.
I live in Australia and whilst AAS is reasonably easy to obtain if you shake the right hands, PCT is something that nobody seems to worry about. The Clomid and Pregnyl have cost me almost as much as my gear! But if there are some other compounds that you honestly think that this course shouldn't be run without, I'll put the course on hold until I can try to source them. I have never really had issues with side effects in the past, other than Deca cause sensitive nipples (really didn't bother me much) and occasionally some anger issues (I can always talk myself out of acting on them) but this course is larger than my previous ones so I realise that new gains come with new consequences and I want to do the mature thing and not rush into something that I'm going to regret.
If you have any opinions as to how I could tweak this cycle, the compounds I'm using or the time I'm running them for, please share your wisdom with me because I want to learn everything I possibly can from more experienced users of AAS.
I apologise if I've left any vital information out as I'm still pretty new to posting on message boards.

[Mr.BB]

First, would ask if you have recent bloodwork or if you do it regularly.

Test and dbol (and tren ) without AI is suicidal. If you cant get aromasin , get some adex.

500mgs tren requires a DA to control prolactin, especcially if you neglect e2 management.

1250ui/week can desensitize your leydig cells, so I would advice to 500ui/week throught out. High HCG dosage is what can promote gyno.

A PCT with Nolva will be much more effective.

[Bigev11]

First, would ask if you have recent bloodwork or if you do it regularly. Test and dbol (and tren) without AI is suicidal. If you cant get aromasin, get some adex. 500mgs tren requires a DA to control prolactin, especcially if you neglect e2 management. 1250ui/week can desensitize your leydig cells, so I would advice to 500ui/week throught out. High HCG dosage is what can promote gyno. A PCT with Nolva will be much more effective.

I had full blood work done a few months back and there was nothing out if he ordinary. The doctor said I was very healthy considering I'm a smoker and used to drink a fair bit around that time. Well I'll continue in my search for an AI such as Aromasin or arimidex . Hopefully I'll be able to find something. If not, is it true that Nolva can be used throughout cycle at a low dose to combat aromatisation? What is a DA? As in Cabergoline/prami? Because there are also compounds I can't seem to source from anywhere and trust me I've tried. I see what you mean about the HCG dose being too high. I originally was planning on using a smaller dose throughout the cycle but I read that it can lead to increased gyno issues and as I can't get an AI at this stage, figured it would be easier to ride out any gyno effects without the added emphasis of the HCG making the gyno worse. But point taken and i see the sense in what your saying and will follow advice. As for nolva for PCT, I've read a few places that clomid is preferred for tren PCT due to the effect tren has on progesterone? I could be wrong, just assumed that clomid was a superior (although weaker) compound to use to combat the tren

[Bigev11]

Bump

[NACH3]

I had full blood work done a few months back and there was nothing out if he ordinary. The doctor said I was very healthy considering I'm a smoker and used to drink a fair bit around that time. Well I'll continue in my search for an AI such as Aromasin or arimidex. Hopefully I'll be able to find something. If not, is it true that Nolva can be used throughout cycle at a low dose to combat aromatisation? What is a DA? As in Cabergoline/prami? Because there are also compounds I can't seem to source from anywhere and trust me I've tried. I see what you mean about the HCG dose being too high. I originally was planning on using a smaller dose throughout the cycle but I read that it can lead to increased gyno issues and as I can't get an AI at this stage, figured it would be easier to ride out any gyno effects without the added emphasis of the HCG making the gyno worse. But point taken and i see the sense in what your saying and will follow advice. As for nolva for PCT, I've read a few places that clomid is preferred for tren PCT due to the effect tren has on progesterone? I could be wrong, just assumed that clomid was a superior (although weaker) compound to use to combat the tren

Nolva is a SERM and should only be used in a case of a gyno flare up on cycle... Otherwise clomid and nolva(6wks imo) for pct! So no nolva will not prevent aromatization

Doesn't seem you have the knowledge to be running this cycle.... You need an AI period... If you can't control your E2 Prolactin will follow(in an elevated manner along w/your E2) so yes dex or stane is a must

Also as BB stated your blasting HCG at the end when trying to recover(it is a suppressive) doesn't make much sense huh... Run it on cycle at 250iu e3.5d... Where's your DA? You need prami or caber for prolactin if E2 gets elevated(prolactin follows E2)

[Mr.BB]

What was the total testosterone , free testosterone, lh and fsh values from your last bloodwork?

Yes, Dopamine Agonist DA example is cabergoline, its the one I use.

Regardless of HCG , you will for sure get gyno from test and dbol cycle without AI. Unless you are one of those genetic freaks that has zero mammary tissue (unlikely).

[Bigev11]

What was the total testosterone, free testosterone, lh and fsh values from your last bloodwork? Yes, Dopamine Agonist DA example is cabergoline, its the one I use. Regardless of HCG, you will for sure get gyno from test and dbol cycle without AI. Unless you are one of those genetic freaks that has zero mammary tissue (unlikely).

I've looked for the copy of the bloodwork and can't seem to find it. I was curious at the time due to my history of AAS use at a relatively young age and lack of PCT taken that I may have a lower testosterone score than most, but the doctor told me at the time that for my age, I am well within the recommended values. Because of this, I didn't see the need to file the results and now it seems like I've lost them (stupid, I know) but I'm sure it would be on file so I may try to get another copy, or just get bloodwork re-done prior to commencing cycle.
I have managed to source some aromasin (30 tabs of 25mg each) and clomid (50 tabs of 50mg each) that I'll be getting in a few days and I picked up a 5000ui bottle of Pregnyl today so this is my plan.

Dbol -Wk 1-4 (40mg/day)
Tren e 250 - Wk 1-10 (2x 1ml/wk) total 500 a week
Test e 300 - Wk 1-12 (2x 0.83ml/wk) total 500 a week

Aromasin - Wk 3-13 (3x 12.5/wk)
Pregnyl - Wk 3-13 (2x 250ui/wk)
Clomid - Wk 14-18 (150/100/50/50)

I'll also be getting some Cabergoline in the next week but am still in the process of researching dosages.

How does this layout sound?

[Bigev11]

Bump, anyone??

[TheTaxMan]

Bumping your post after a few hours isnt necessary your post will always get answered when the right member reads your queries, dont be impatient

[kelkel]

Start your AI week 1, not 3.
100mgs clomid week 1 is sufficient.
Source some Nolva
Caber at .25 x 2 per week is sufficient, imho, as long as you're making an effort with your AI.
Why that much tren ?

[jolter604]

First, would ask if you have recent bloodwork or if you do it regularly.

Test and dbol (and tren ) without AI is suicidal. If you cant get aromasin , get some adex.

500mgs tren requires a DA to control prolactin, especcially if you neglect e2 management.

1250ui/week can desensitize your leydig cells, so I would advice to 500ui/week throught out. High HCG dosage is what can promote gyno.

A PCT with Nolva will be much more effective.

Yes he has said it all!