Could tren make one E2 sensitive?

**Hydrolex** · 09-14-2015, 01:49 PM

Tren doesn't aromatise but could it make someone more sensitive to test as far as aromatization goes?

**Bonaparte** · 09-14-2015, 01:51 PM

Hell yes, it does.

**Hydrolex** · 09-14-2015, 03:15 PM

Can you give me a more scientific answer plz.... like how does it? My tren is pure tren but i seem to aromitize more from my hrt dose so i either lower it or add an AI

**Hydrolex** · 09-14-2015, 07:01 PM

meow

**Bonaparte** · 09-14-2015, 09:27 PM

It's not like there is much scientific literature on the subject, as it is mostly just used on cattle, but it has to do with it being a progestin. When your prolactin and progesterone receptors are stimulated, it doesn't take much estrogen to cause side effects.

**austinite** · 09-14-2015, 09:33 PM

**tectime** · 09-15-2015, 01:08 AM

I thought it has to do with tren competing for receptor sites with the tes, leaving more tes available to convert to estrogen due to not being utilized.

**Hydrolex** · 09-15-2015, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by tectime

I thought it has to do with tren competing for receptor sites with the tes, leaving more tes available to convert to estrogen due to not being utilized.

That explains a lot ! so an AI is a must on Tren ...

**tectime** · 09-15-2015, 01:37 AM

Yes an a.i. is needed. And if you don't control estrogen then a da is needed like capor or bromo to control prolactin.

**Hydrolex** · 09-15-2015, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by tectime

Yes an a.i. is needed. And if you don't control estrogen then a da is needed like capor or bromo to control prolactin.

well I was on my TRT dose, a low dose that never required an AI... but as soon as Tren added, E2 went up

**ppwc1985** · 09-15-2015, 01:40 AM

You mean prami right, should you use a higher dose of an AI instead of like .25 mg arimadex eod? Maybe Ed instead.

**tectime** · 09-15-2015, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by Hydrolex

well I was on my TRT dose, a low dose that never required an AI... but as soon as Tren added, E2 went up

Time to add an ai man. Don't let your e2 get too far out.

**Hydrolex** · 09-15-2015, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by tectime

Time to add an ai man. Don't let your e2 get too far out.

yea, I'm growing a loose vagina over here from high E2

**tectime** · 09-15-2015, 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by ppwc1985

You mean prami right, should you use a higher dose of an AI instead of like .25 mg arimadex eod? Maybe Ed instead.

.25 arimadex or anastrozole is a good place to start but bloods again in a week or two will tell you more about how much you need. Op what did your e2 go up to?

**tectime** · 09-15-2015, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by Hydrolex

yea, I'm growing a loose vagina over here from high E2

Haha! What did your e2 go up to?

**Hydrolex** · 09-15-2015, 01:49 AM

I was around 25 ( proviron 25mg a day + Zinc and Vitamin D3 to keep E2 low), but on tren went to 54... and it's not reading Tren as E2, it's my actualy E2. using Quest labs

And that's just with my HRT dose 70-80mgs a week

It all makes sense why people feel better on Low Test high tren... in my case I need an AI because I'm really sensitive to estrogen

**tectime** · 09-15-2015, 01:54 AM

As am I. And if/when my e2 has ever gotten 50 or above I can tell quickly.

**Hydrolex** · 09-15-2015, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by tectime

As am I. And if/when my e2 has ever gotten 50 or above I can tell quickly.

I get depression, anxiety, puffy face and insomnia right off the bat when E2 is high... The biggest indicator is my gyno, I have really small lumps that don't bother me nor are visible except if you touch them, they start to grow as well !

**tectime** · 09-15-2015, 02:16 AM

I get real moody and grumpy, and that's not my natural/normal m.o. Plus my gyno (left side only) flairs up. My hrt maint. dose is higher then most and so is my anastrozole dose. I run 1 mg ed anytime my tes dose is above 300 mgs wkly keeping my e2 around 18/20. It still raises to around 25/28 when I add deca or tren with the 1 mg anastrozole and all my meds are pharma from my doc. Not the tren of course!

**Hydrolex** · 09-15-2015, 02:21 AM

Jesus Christ man, that's a really high dose of AI... not healthy long term. look up Dr. Mark Gordon or Shippen... Best TRT doctors, and they both try to avoid AIs for their patients.

If I were you, I'd do Test P ED injections 10 15mgs a day SubQ 31g 5/16 ! see how that works...

**tectime** · 09-15-2015, 02:30 AM

Different strokes man! Been at it 6 yrs and health is great. Bloods come back beautiful every time and I pull them often. I've read and discussed that topic many times with many people. I don't like to say much about the doses of tes/deca /anastrozole you can actually run without any harm because we are all different and I don't want to encourage anyone to do something that may be harmful to them. But you would be amazed at what the human body can deal with.

**tectime** · 09-15-2015, 02:41 AM

Also man the most dangerous and harmful part of all of this is high estrogen. Read up on all the negative effects and issues that will cause.

**Bonaparte** · 09-16-2015, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by tectime

I thought it has to do with tren competing for receptor sites with the tes, leaving more tes available to convert to estrogen due to not being utilized.

Not very plausible. The effect even occurs with low doses of each, so there are more than enough receptors to go around.
Progestins are well known to cause gyno when in the presence of even small amounts of estrogen. And test definitely gets utilized, regardless of what else you're taking. Running out of receptors is largely a myth.

**tectime** · 09-16-2015, 06:38 PM

See for me tren with a lower dose of tes e2 stable. With high tes and same amount of tren e2 wants to try and jump up. But that's with deca or tren. So I know it's the tes converting on me. Lower the dose stable again. But without any studies of the effects of tren on the human body I'm aware of its hard to tell. Oh And you bet progestin is a gyno causing bitch but his question was about e2 rising not gyno and why and if tren could cause e2 to rise.

**tectime** · 09-16-2015, 06:47 PM

But again without any studies!

**Buster Brown** · 09-16-2015, 07:46 PM

I have the same issue and always end up with a bout of gyno to deal with when running low tes somewhat high tren and an AI and PA in place. I have noticed that when I do increase my AI to .50 eod that I get extremely tired ......but that's me. I just always keep Nov on hand which hasn't failed me yet. Last cycle was tes 250 a week and tren at 500 a week.