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10-16-2015, 11:04 AM #1
Latest Blood Work (Nach,Taxman)
E2 25pg/ml
Pg 0.5ng/ml (advize)
I am on 20mg eod of tamoxifen have slight gyno in the left, no sensitivity or is it bubbled.
Hormone levels are my biggest worry now
I sleep well most days.
After much studying up cycle suggested and seeking advice or approval of it, as all my gear has just arrived.(no rush)
I have three 10 ml vials of sus 250mg/ml
I have three 10 ml vials of deca 200mg/ml
Tamoxifen
Hcg
Arimedex
Hgh( which i wont use) keen but the know how will save for next cycly Nach?
Supposed cycle
2ml a week of each sus & deca
14 weeks sus
12 weeks deca
500iu a week hcg divided into two
Arimedex 0.25mg eod
Tamoxifen incase i gyno which i would then take the below
60mg a day a week then 40mg till gyno is gone (advize)
( i am prone to gyno easily) i have had this slight breast issue since 14 it goes and comes away
Question was how to adjust my shots with the bloodwork i recieved today?
Pct
Nolva & Clomid
Week 1 to 2
Hcg 500ius a week?
Aromasin eod 12.5mg?
Weeks 3 to 7
Clomid 50/50/25/25/12.5
Nolva 40/20/20/20/10
Aromasin eod 7.5mg
Wrong advice over past 3 cycles has led me here you guys know best
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10-16-2015, 01:02 PM #2
I cant help with the bloodwork.
First thing i will say is well done on putting better effort into your post and researching (you can never do too much of this)
So you have 30ml of deca and 30ml of sus which is good, you now have enough to run a full cycle at a good dose.
run your arimidex and hcg from day 1 and then drop them just before your PCT.
Take your PCT 2 weeks after your last injection
Clomid 75/50/50/50
PCT 40/20/20/20
No need to run arimidex, aromasin or hcg through your Pct.
My only concern is controlling your Gyno.
Maybe you should read this post from Austinite, very detailed and a great read!
Estrogen, Prolactin, Progesterone Management + Gynecomastia Prevention & Reversal
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10-16-2015, 01:45 PM #3RETIRED- Knowledgeable member
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What are your stats and previous cycling experience?
What are the reference ranges on your results?
Did you test any other hormones?
One should never begin a cycle when they have a preexisting medical condition. Your gyno should be fully treated before you start. Taking 20 mg of nolva ED would be a better dosage.
Edit: I misinterpreted the OP. Originally thought you hadn't started the cycle.Last edited by numbere; 10-16-2015 at 01:57 PM.
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I'm not understanding your BW, haatsi... What's the range and what was your number? Was it E2 sensitive essay or standard Estrodial(should say on paperwork)??
Also, you will need a DA(dopamine agonist) prami or caber... Read that link Tax put up about progesterone and prolactin! Your first line of defense against gyno is controlling your E2... If controlled prolactin should not be a problem but at least have a DA on hand! Are you getting mid cycle BW? IMHO, if it's your first time taking a 19nor(progestin which will cause a rise in prolactin if E2 is not in range(or in its sweetspot)!!
I'm lost you list arimidex then say 12.5mgs of aromasin you only need one! But stand is taken Ed whereas Dex can be taken EOD and completely different doses! Start your AI from day one up to pct then drop it, and HCG from day 1 up to up to 3 days b4 starting pct!
And take your prami Ed at bed time(can cause nauseousness) so titrate your dose from .125mgs .25 .375 .5 and that should suffice - but get BW to make sure and adjust anything at that time!
Clomid(4 wks only) 100/75/50/50 nolva(with any 19nor you want to extend it to 6wks) 40/40/20/20/20/20 or 10...
And wouldn't start a cycle w/your gyno the way it is ATM - but 40mgs first wk then 20mgs or just stick to 20mgs...
Numbere - just writing as you were! Lol thinking along the same linesLast edited by NACH3; 10-16-2015 at 01:54 PM.
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10-16-2015, 02:01 PM #5MONITOR
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We need ranges for blood work.
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10-16-2015, 03:00 PM #6
With Nach on this....I kinda got lost also.
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10-16-2015, 04:13 PM #7RETIRED- Knowledgeable member
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10-16-2015, 04:29 PM #8Associate Member
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Im curious...how do you solve that limit which is 1 to the power of infinity and end up with e?
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10-16-2015, 05:35 PM #9
Thank you again
Once gyno has gone will repost my bloodwork from the lab again.
Will stick to 20mg ed of tamoxifen till gone
In the mean time will order prami
Once again Thank you i have been misled on my first 3 cycles , (Numbere) sorry those previous stats i do not have them ,what i have now is what i have looking forward .grateful my insides didnt shutdown everything still works
(Nach) its my 2nd time using a 19 nor( on that cycle i did gyno once cause of it)
I have been misled against the use of dopamine agonists or AI as *he* said they prohibit growth rather take after!
I understand the need of having your progesterone, e2 well with ranges that are normal.
Preventition is better than cure i totally agree it just feels better and normal to have all the safe guards during than and after.
(Taxman) thank you again will commence my cycle once the gyno is gone
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10-16-2015, 07:05 PM #10RETIRED- Knowledgeable member
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10-16-2015, 07:23 PM #11Originally Posted by numbere
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10-17-2015, 12:54 AM #12Associate Member
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Lmao ...alright alright. But what lets you turn the middle inequality into a natural logarithm, squeeze theorem? I forgot my calculus!
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10-17-2015, 07:31 AM #13RETIRED- Knowledgeable member
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Haatsi do you have your ranges for E2? That would surely help! Which number is your reading?
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10-18-2015, 09:22 AM #16
I am between 20 and 35 pg/ml
Total Testosterone =1080; Estradiol regular = 34.8 pg/ml
I did a standard test e2 test again today i have bo clue on what it means doc says one thing what do you say?(Nach)
Gyno has subsided only a small bump left not much fat on my stomach either
I have been off for 3months now following time on equals time off plus pct time
My e2 should drop more as the days go on whilst i am on the tamoxifen
Thinking i raise it to 40mg a day
Nach Taxman
Sorry for the late response was waiting for bloodwork to come in again
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Nolva is fine into take since your trying to control gyno... But at 20mgs Ed is plenty if not 10mgs ed...
Here's the thing - standard Estrodial will read higher than E2 sensitive essay(which is the one you need in future)
What are the ranges haatsi??? And what's your result(you can't be between 20-35 - it's an exact number!
I will say your in range - that's a good thing - however, what's your reasoning for wanting to bump up your nolva for gyno? Do you have ralox? Or just nolva?? Either one will do - just don't stop it - and no need to up it to 40mgs ed - keep it at 20.... How long have you been running this nolva?
Btw - your TT is great 3 months post cycleLast edited by NACH3; 10-18-2015 at 10:31 AM.
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10-18-2015, 09:43 AM #18
Can you not just photograph your results and upload the pic on here?
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10-18-2015, 09:45 AM #19
Hell your TT is unreal.... Don't think I have ever seen anyone's T that high off cycle.
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10-18-2015, 09:45 AM #20
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10-18-2015, 11:44 AM #21
I took a standard e2 test (Nach) will get a sensitive e2 mid cycle and post again and post a copy
At the moment will stick to the agreed daily 20mg
Will get Doctor to email me copy of BW
I just wrote down what he told me
(Swiss Regulations are very prohibiting)
Thank you Again Nach,Taxman
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10-18-2015, 12:42 PM #22
Just ask for a copy for your own records.
Good luck
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