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    Quote Originally Posted by DGenRit View Post
    It's US Pharmacy Compounded. 250mg/ml. My results were pretty remarkable on this cycle so I'm hard pressed to say the gear was bad. When you say 7x dosage are you referring to total weekly dosage or the EOD dosage?
    It would be your total wkly dose x5-7 at least(7x with Pharma - Watson) is a little more accurate... Very strange! How many days before your pin did you go without pinning? Just a day prior(eod)? Id still suspect your serim levels would be much higher... 400mgs x 5 would be more like 2000 Total test, if not closer to roughly 2700...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3 View Post
    It would be your total wkly dose x5-7 at least(7x with Pharma - Watson) is a little more accurate... Very strange! How many days before your pin did you go without pinning? Just a day prior(eod)? Id still suspect your serim levels would be much higher... 400mgs x 5 would be more like 2000 Total test, if not closer to roughly 2700...
    I was due to pin that morning. Had pinned 48 hours prior. Draw occurred at 12:30PM so maybe it was 53-54 hours since last pin of 125mg. Actually at 125mg EOD x 4 it's 1500. Maybe it is closer to being inline?

    Are there any health-related issues that would cause my body to not process or accept all the test?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGenRit View Post
    Thanks Kelkel - at the time of the test I was doing 125MG of Test EOD. Why would the amount of test effect the blood serum levels? What are the risks or indications of serum being low as you state? I do see they are within the healthy range the test form shows.

    Also - for taking that quantity of test and mast that I'm doing, aren't my test levels low at 1274? Or are my test levels ok there? How about Free test?

    I will research a little on the SHBG. How does the rest of my BW look? Anything else of concern? My pre-cycle LDL with medium/poor diet was 118. Now it's 148. Is that reasonable given my current cycle?

    When it comes to the total test level, I simply feel it's low. If I recall part of your 125 mgs is test C & E, a long ester. This, imho, makes concerns about BW timing moot. To give a personal example. My last BW on my TRT dose of 60 mgs x 2 per week came in over 1500 (unk exactly what as it's Labcorp) and my free T was 34, ten pts over their scale.

    Your free test is about double the labcorp range. Part of this is due to low shbg. It simply binds less FT. Re your lipids, reasonable is a tough word. Your lipids are not horrible but they're not great either. Keep an eye on them as previously stated due to the correlation with shbg. It can lead to cardiovascular issues, etc.
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    Agreed with Kel's notes.

    Regarding the high RDW it confirms the metabolic syndrome, but in my opinion is induced by the tren . It can also be from liver stress or from b12/folate deficiencies.

    Either way, for now, I would not stress too much about it. But would retest 3-4 weeks after cycle. Also an abdominal ultrasound at your age is very advisable, it will check your liver, spleen etc. Its ussually not vey expensive, and easily paid by insurance.

    If it is b12/folate/iron problem it is expect for your hematocrit to rise if you start supplementing, so it is always advisable to go donate. 14 weeks is a long cycle so its probably time for you to give your body a break

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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3 View Post
    But why do you keep saying pct... When your on HRT/TRT you just return back to your normal doses...
    Hey Nach (and anyone else who is willing to provide guidance)- I wanted to follow up on this with an additional question. I'm taking my last shot tomorrow of MAS and Test C/E/P. My plan is to return to TRT dosage of 125mg Test weekly. I am planning on HCG and AI during post cycle. Should I add Nolvadex and/or Clomid for any period of time? Or is it not necessary given my return to TRT?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel
    When it comes to the total test level, I simply feel it's low. If I recall part of your 125 mgs is test C & E, a long ester. This, imho, makes concerns about BW timing moot. To give a personal example. My last BW on my TRT dose of 60 mgs x 2 per week came in over 1500 (unk exactly what as it's Labcorp) and my free T was 34, ten pts over their scale. Your free test is about double the labcorp range. Part of this is due to low shbg. It simply binds less FT. Re your lipids, reasonable is a tough word. Your lipids are not horrible but they're not great either. Keep an eye on them as previously stated due to the correlation with shbg. It can lead to cardiovascular issues, etc.
    Kel, what are your suggestions to remedy the issue? as I feel I have the same problem. Is shbg available via pharmacy? Apologies, as I am ignorant to this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGenRit View Post
    Hey Nach (and anyone else who is willing to provide guidance)- I wanted to follow up on this with an additional question. I'm taking my last shot tomorrow of MAS and Test C/E/P. My plan is to return to TRT dosage of 125mg Test weekly. I am planning on HCG and AI during post cycle. Should I add Nolvadex and/or Clomid for any period of time? Or is it not necessary given my return to TRT?

    Thanks.

    HCG should be a part of your normal TRT protocol. I don't recall but if you've been running an AI but it's normal to continue use for a couple weeks post cycle. Then reduce the dosage or eliminate it based on your TRT BW. SERMS will do nothing for you if on TRT. They will not over-power the shut down effects of exogenous testosterone . Low dose Nolva on cycle is fine if there are chest / gyno issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGenRit View Post
    Hey Nach (and anyone else who is willing to provide guidance)- I wanted to follow up on this with an additional question. I'm taking my last shot tomorrow of MAS and Test C/E/P. My plan is to return to TRT dosage of 125mg Test weekly. I am planning on HCG and AI during post cycle. Should I add Nolvadex and/or Clomid for any period of time? Or is it not necessary given my return to TRT?

    Thanks.
    Kel hit the nail on the head!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking13 View Post
    Kel, what are your suggestions to remedy the issue? as I feel I have the same problem. Is shbg available via pharmacy? Apologies, as I am ignorant to this issue.
    SHBG is in your blood. It's a glyco-protein that carries your hormones (T & E) throughout your body. Low SHBG is only a problem when in conjunction with other markers such as lipid, cardiovascular issues, type 2 diabetes. They can go hand in hand, thus Metabolic Syndrome. What changes you make would depend on your BW. There's info out there saying sugar exacerbates it, coffee can help it, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel
    SHBG is in your blood. It's a glyco-protein that carries your hormones (T & E) throughout your body. Low SHBG is only a problem when in conjunction with other markers such as lipid, cardiovascular issues, type 2 diabetes. They can go hand in hand, thus Metabolic Syndrome. What changes you make would depend on your BW. There's info out there saying sugar exacerbates it, coffee can help it, etc.

    Thanks for the explanation kelkel, I may have jumped the gun on a self diagnosis based on your explanation. I thought it may be low due to my free test staying on the higher end on what I thought was a smaller dose at 100mg per week, I thought maybe the free test wasn't binding potentially. I've since cut it to 75mg per week and will double check shbg on next bloods regardless. Thanks kelkel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking13 View Post
    Thanks for the explanation kelkel, I may have jumped the gun on a self diagnosis based on your explanation. I thought it may be low due to my free test staying on the higher end on what I thought was a smaller dose at 100mg per week, I thought maybe the free test wasn't binding potentially. I've since cut it to 75mg per week and will double check shbg on next bloods regardless. Thanks kelkel
    Post it or pm me the BW when you get it if you like.
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    Will do, thanks kel. I'm going to pm you with a separate question as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking13 View Post
    Will do, thanks kel. I'm going to pm you with a separate question as well.
    Remember test suppresses shbg so more test = lower shbg. Thus the opposite is also true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel
    Remember test suppresses shbg so more test = lower shbg. Thus the opposite is also true.
    As always, thank you for that knowledge, as I was unaware of that fluctuation.

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