being 41, gear use and considering kids.

[poppz]

Question..... my wife and i might be considering having kids once again. Natural test is around 300. I do know about hcg ,clomid and all that. But im going on a test ,tren cycle, and will be all my AI ,etc.... so what do i need to take to ensure we'll be ok?,i read alot of ppl saying it wont be a prob but at my age i want to make sure. Advice from the experienced appreciated. Thnx

[Trapology]

There normally isnt a problem getting pregant on gear, it doesnt make you sterile it just lowers your sperm count

Your concern should be births defects caused by being on gear, something you might want to research

[Ashop]

Question..... my wife and i might be considering having kids once again. Natural test is around 300. I do know about hcg ,clomid and all that. But im going on a test ,tren cycle, and will be all my AI ,etc.... so what do i need to take to ensure we'll be ok?,i read alot of ppl saying it wont be a prob but at my age i want to make sure. Advice from the experienced appreciated. Thnx

You should be fine, I know TONS of people who have conceived while ON cycle or during PCT or after.

[clarky.]

There normally isnt a problem getting pregant on gear, it doesnt make you sterile it just lowers your sperm count

Your concern should be births defects caused by being on gear, something you might want to research

This ^^ but at 41 fvck that sh!t hahahaha enjoy what yous have.

[NACH3]

You can try getting both HCG (LH Mimitec) as well as HMG(which is an FSH mimitec) that's the best scenario that I know of... Problem is HMG is much harder to find(unless your on HRT) just tell the doc... I'm assuming your not tho

And some people don't have any probs if your not shooting blanks you've always gotta chance, imo

[Strongblood]

Hey Popz. Why not go ahead and plant that seed, take care of that business first. And then cycle away my brother! Unless your talking about kids plural? In that case refer to previous comments. Good luck!

[diesel101]

This ^^ but at 41 fvck that sh!t hahahaha enjoy what yous have.

Thinking about having a baby at my age I just puked in my mouth a little bit.

[Bonaparte]

There normally isnt a problem getting pregant on gear, it doesnt make you sterile it just lowers your sperm count

Your concern should be births defects caused by being on gear, something you might want to research

Steroids lower sperm count, causing sterility in most with extended use (not usually permanent once AAS is discontinued).
And there is NOTHING to support your claim of birth defects. The only teratogenic risk I can think of is in a woman using AAS while pregnant.

[poppz]

This ^^ but at 41 fvck that sh!t hahahaha enjoy what yous have.

This shits scary.lol

[poppz]

To be honest, i havnt been the best husband, annd maybe i want to have something to slow me down. My wifes 30, so im ok on her being able to handle another 1. But its just talk as of now. Yea i have hcg , clomi, just a question way in the bck of my head,thats all. I think i read on a forum something of some1 couldnt produce,so i had to ask thnx for the replies

[Trapology]

Steroids lower sperm count, causing sterility in most with extended use (not usually permanent once AAS is discontinued).
And there is NOTHING to support your claim of birth defects. The only teratogenic risk I can think of is in a woman using AAS while pregnant.

Your semen carries trace amounts of whatever hormone you have in your body or anything for that matter, so in essence you are giving the female trace elements which can cause problems. Its called parental testosterone transfer

Theres plenty of studies when it comes to consumption of narcotics because obviously there are a lot more cases of it happening but the same principle applies

[Bonaparte]

Your semen carries trace amounts of whatever hormone you have in your body or anything for that matter, so in essence you are giving the female trace elements which can cause problems. Its called parental testosterone transfer

Theres plenty of studies when it comes to consumption of narcotics because obviously there are a lot more cases of it happening but the same principle applies

Totally different, since narcotics and hormones have little in common. Also, there is no anecdotal evidence to back this idea up (ever heard of AAS users having higher incidences of mutated children? I haven't), so it is just unfounded conjecture based on something that can potentially happen with very different substances.

[Trapology]

Totally different, since narcotics and hormones have little in common. Also, there is no anecdotal evidence to back this idea up (ever heard of AAS users having higher incidences of mutated children? I haven't), so it is just unfounded conjecture based on something that can potentially happen with very different substances.

Do your research. I have heard of a few body builders having problems with their childen, the word "mutated" is pretty extreme, do I know any mutant babies no i dont. Do i know people who use who have had children with problem yes I do.

Before anything im always going to preach harm reduction, if there is a 1% something bad can happen im going to let that be known, just because there isnt an overflow of information on the subject doesnt mean it doesnt exists. Where do you think the clinical term I provided for you came from? I can promise you i didnt make it up

And no there is no difference between hormones and narcotics, there is a risk of transfer of anything foreign substance a man has in his body being in his semen.

[Bonaparte]

And no there is no difference between hormones and narcotics, there is a risk of transfer of anything foreign substance a man has in his body being in his semen.

My point here was that sperm are supposed to be exposed to sex hormones (and does someone on exogenous hormones really secrete more through their semen than someone who isn't shut down and naturally producing T? I don't know), whereas they aren't supposed to be exposed to any amount of narcotics.
And are these issues you mention any more common than in the general population?

I can appreciate being cautious and warning others of potential dangers, but alarmism is also a real problem. I have to work with a woman who won't use microwaves or buy her kid "toxic" plastic building blocks (Legos) because she reads all sorts of alarmist conspiracy theory BS online.

[Trapology]

My point here was that sperm are supposed to be exposed to sex hormones (and does someone on exogenous hormones really secrete more through their semen than someone who isn't shut down and naturally producing T? I don't know), whereas they aren't supposed to be exposed to any amount of narcotics.
And are these issues you mention any more common than in the general population?

They are supposed to be exposed to a normal amount of naturally produced sex hormone
Not an above average(even if youre on TRT) amount of synthetic hormone. And were just talking about test, not any other the compounds, im not saying any is better or worse then narcotics what im saying is the transfer happens and thats all that matters.

And the point is this. For as much as youre trying to combat what im telling you, even with the limited although existent amount of information there is can you 100% say that it is 100% save to have a child while using gear? The answer to that is no.

Why do we take the time to correct peoples cycles, tell them to add PCT and stress the risks of what might happen if they dont do certain things to protect themselves. Because we, or we should be, advocate harm reduction above anything else. So if you cant sit here and 100% say nothing will happen then its not responsible to not let someone know there is a chance, even if its the slimmest 1% chance.

[Mr.BB]

They are supposed to be exposed to a normal amount of naturally produced sex hormone
Not an above average(even if youre on TRT) amount of synthetic hormone. And were just talking about test, not any other the compounds, im not saying any is better or worse then narcotics what im saying is the transfer happens and thats all that matters.

And the point is this. For as much as youre trying to combat what im telling you, even with the limited although existent amount of information there is can you 100% say that it is 100% save to have a child while using gear? The answer to that is no.

Why do we take the time to correct peoples cycles, tell them to add PCT and stress the risks of what might happen if they dont do certain things to protect themselves. Because we, or we should be, advocate harm reduction above anything else. So if you cant sit here and 100% say nothing will happen then its not responsible to not let someone know there is a chance, even if its the slimmest 1% chance.

You are completely wrong here.

There are drugs that WILL cause birth defects, for example isotretinoine (accutane), but anabolic steroids will not cause birth defects, its just hormones, they will lower sperm count like Bona said but they dont interfere with the genetical information inprinted in the sperm to cause the birth defect.

Of course if the oils are contaminated with heavy metals birth defects have high probability, but the actual hormone?? You need to backup your statement, otherwise you are saying nonsense.

About the transfer of hormones to females in semen, you are saying this what cause the defects?? You need to explain how this minute amount of hormones is going to affect genetic material inside the zygote.

[Trapology]

Ok both of you can continue to pick apart my states and criticize the things im saying. But again all im saying is no one knows 100% that it does nothing

The parent testosterone transfer can cause a umber of issues. Mentioned above there are studies saying only women on AAS suffer problems, and because of PTT the hormone stands a chance of getting in the female blood stream so there is now a risk if the things that are proven happening to a women who is not directly taking steroids

Im very well aware it is already a known fact that narcotics do cause problems. But again, I dont think any one here can say 100% that there is NO chance something can happen to a child when a man is on gear. You say there "just hormones" but is tren "just a hormone" a women should have in her body even in trace amounts? And how sure are we these amounts are trace amounts? And even in trace amounts what could the affect be on a female when we do know for a fact they are very sensitive to it? What could these trace amounts do to an embryo?

So knowing that it is not a 100% fact nothing happens I dont think its smart to say "well we have very limited information on the subject and maybe there is a slight chance something can happen, but **** it go ahead, i dont personally know anyone it happened to and research is limited" Theres far too many questions to just give some one who looking at creating a life a definitive OK

Like i said above all the protocols people follow when using gear, pct, hcg whatever the intended purpose is harm reduction, so you should practice that in every area, not just when it comes to cycling

[poppz]

Well u 2 have me thinkin. I might, if we decide, wait till im off cycle.

[yeahbuddy289]

Are you guys saying you can transfer whatever hormones you're on to the woman you are sleeping with through our sperm? So if I am on cycle am I transferring higher than normal test to her by ejaculating inside of her? Or will it only be transferred to the unborn child? Not sure if im reading that right.

[Trapology]

Are you guys saying you can transfer whatever hormones you're on to the woman you are sleeping with through our sperm? So if I am on cycle am I transferring higher than normal test to her by ejaculating inside of her? Or will it only be transferred to the unborn child? Not sure if im reading that right.

Like I said above anything a male has in his systems transfers through your sperm. There is a condition i mentioned above that relates to hormone transfer but there isnt much information on it.

So basically my entire point is to error on the side of caution, like we do, or are supposed to do with everything else

[Mr.BB]

Like I said above anything a male has in his systems transfers through your sperm. There is a condition i mentioned above that relates to hormone transfer but there isnt much information on it.

So basically my entire point is to error on the side of caution, like we do, or are supposed to do with everything else

Dude, plz bring some proof of your claims or shut up about it.
If there are any traces of the steroids in semen it is so small it does not matter. There is no tranfer.

If there was any transfer, drugs documentation would state this very clearly, or pharmaceutical companies would be liable for law suits.

[MrFreshmaker]

Dude, plz bring some proof of your claims or shut up about it. If there are any traces of the steroids in semen it is so small it does not matter. There is no tranfer. If there was any transfer, drugs documentation would state this very clearly, or pharmaceutical companies would be liable for law suits.

^^this.
Semen contains testosterone ,but in very small amount,which in fact,it helps women libido and well being

[Trapology]

Dude, plz bring some proof of your claims or shut up about it.
If there are any traces of the steroids in semen it is so small it does not matter. There is no tranfer.

If there was any transfer, drugs documentation would state this very clearly, or pharmaceutical companies would be liable for law suits.

Again you just just google the condition i listed above, i didnt make it up. Yes there are trace amounts of normal hormone were talking about synthetic hormones, there is a difference. And there is a transfer, obviously its different but there is a warning to stay away from women and children if youre using the gel. Obviously its a higher concentration but thats just trace amounts that arnt supposed to be doing anything

And its crazy you would sit here and try to dispute my claim when its a fact anything in a mans system transfer through his semen, i thought that was common knowledge. Were not talking about something thats naturally in your body were talking about foreign substances

^^this.
Semen contains testosterone,but in very small amount,which in fact,it helps women libido and well being

Again, there are trace amounts doing normal transfer betwee people, were talking about taking synthetic hormones in higher does then are naturally produced in your body

Im really not understand where all this backlash is coming from, half the shit people tell other people to do when cycling isnt necessary but people constantly tell them to error on the side of caution, but when youre trying to make a kid that doesnt apply anymore?

[tarmyg]

Ok both of you can continue to pick apart my states and criticize the things im saying. But again all im saying is no one knows 100% that it does nothing

It is pretty well established that you can not prove a negative, just try to publish a paper like that and see how far it gets! Starting to state percentages when there is not a single study is fairly useless, you could say there is 99% chance of birth defects, how is anyone suppose to disprove that? As far as I can find on Google Scholar there is nothing to support any of your statements, by this, I am not saying I am right, simply that I need more peer-reviewed information that will convince me otherwise.

[Trapology]

You must not have been looking very hard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenat...erone_transfer

And dont say "oh lolol thats wikipedia blah blah blah" a wiki article is only as relevant as its source material and as you see on the bottom there is plenty of it

So im kinda getting tired of this cause most of you are missing the point
Can any of you 100% say nothing happens? Yes or no?

If the answer is no, then since when did we not error on the side of caution? There is plenty of shit that gets parroted all across the BBing community that isnt necessary, and if someone questions the persons logic the response is something along the lines oh "well this might not be happening and you might not think you need to do this or that but better safe then sorry"

So since then did this simple logic go out the window?

Is it really that out of line to suggest that someone might want to consider just getting off cycle to be safe while making a kid? If youre not a high level competitive body builder then whats wrong with suggesting someone be off cycle just to be sure?

[Mr.BB]

You must not have been looking very hard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenat...erone_transfer

Did you even read the link you sent above?? Lololol

It has nothing to do with what you are saying, its not even about exogenous test, its about transfer between fetus of rodents. So unless you are a rat, inside the womb you have nothing to worry about lol


You are making a joke of yourself.

Why are you here? Whats the pourpose of this cruzade? What was your previous nicknames in this forum?

[Trapology]

OK so when they run tests that evolve rodents when it concerns this it doesnt matter

But when we post the effects of tren on a rodent we referense them? Youre wasting time trying to make me look stupid over something simple

[Trapology]

Also did you just stop at the rodent part and skip this?

When it comes to humans, studies comparing dizygotic opposite-sex and same-sex twins suggest the phenomenon may occur, though the results of these studies are often inconsistent