Tren E Test E Questions

[petemitchell30]

I'm already on Test Cyp 200mg/week 2X a week for TRT and was thinking of adding Tren E at 350mg per week.

I have arimidex , HCG , (scripts for TRT), and dostinex (trusted source).

Plan is to run this schedule for 8 weeks

Normal TRT
Test Cyp 200mg per week (100 E 3.5 Days)
HCG 250IU 2X per week
.25 Adex E3D

Plus Add Tren
Tren E 350 per week (175 E 3.5 Days)
.25 Caber 2X per week (w/ each pin)

My questions are these

1. Does that look like a good starting point?
2. Is 350 Tren E enough to see any muscle gains fat loss? I'm quite hesitant to run any more than that.
3. When I terminate the tren after 8 weeks, will returning to my "Normal TRT" protocol suffice as PCT?


SideNote
If you are going to lecture me about beginning with tren ace, or not doing tren at all...save it. Gear doesn't grow on trees, and I am scared sh!tless of buying online for fear of getting popped. It has taken forever for me to come across this.....so its what I'm working with. I also have a little bit of test from my script stockpiled, so I could potentially bump my test dosage up to as high as 400mg/week if needed, but from what Ive read tren E in itself at 350mg per week is sufficient to see quality gains.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

If this is your first ride on the tren train then I suggest 200mg per week.

[Mr.BB]

Have you fixed the leaking nips?

Was it prolactin?

[petemitchell30]

Have you fixed the leaking nips?

Was it prolactin?

Yes, prolactin was high because E2 was in 60's. As soon as I brought e2 down, prolactin ceased being a problem.

[Cuz]

I wouldnt go that high of dose..but hey maybe you can tolerate the sides

[mietek]

350 a week might do, but the shit is always underdosed so you might not feel anything

[Mr.BB]

I wouldnt go that high of dose..but hey maybe you can tolerate the sides

Its his first time doing tren , he started trt 3 months ago.

I think that first you should try to trim some fat, it will give you better results and less side effects.

Sure, maybe you can rise the test and give a little blast while cutting, but jumping to tren with no muscle base and high bf I dont think its good idea.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Its his first time doing tren, he started trt 3 months ago. I think that first you should try to trim some fat, it will give you better results and less side effects. Sure, maybe you can rise the test and give a little blast while cutting, but jumping to tren with no muscle base and high bf I dont think its good idea.

Oops.
If he just started TRT 3 months ago, he probably should wait at least a year before he blasts.
Thanks for pointing that out.

[petemitchell30]

So...a couple things.

1st - I started TRT a few mos ago, but this aint my first rodeo with AAS. It's been a while, but ive cycled winstrol , deca , and test, prior to this.

2nd....i dont have a high body fat %, and I don't have no muscle base. I'm not shredded as an NPC competitor, and I'm not as big as a defensive end, but at 34 I have the formation of abs and at 6'4 220 I can bench 340 (and bench is my weakest lift) and dunk a basketball from a flat foot vertical.

I can't remember if i put a percentage on my profile or not, but if i did it was a guess. I'm not ripped like an npc competitor, and I'm not jacked like some of you guys, but to say I have high body fat and no muscle base is incorrect.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

So...a couple things. 1st - I started TRT a few mos ago, but this aint my first rodeo with aas. It's been a while, but ive cycled winstrol, deca, and test prior to this. 2nd....i dont have a high body fat %. I'm not shredded, but I have the formation of abs and at 6'4 220 I can bench 340 and still dunk a basketball.....i can't remember if i put a percentage on my profile or not, but if i did it was a guess. I'm not ripped like an npc conpetitor...but I'm one of the leaner guys at the gym.

The point about TRT is that it takes awhile for TRT to get dialed in.
A good doctor is going to require frequent bloodwork.
Hell, it wasn't long ago you were lactating.

This lifestyle is a marathon not a sprint.
You should be making good gains off of 200mg of test a week.

Why did you get put on TRT?

[Mr.BB]

2nd....i dont have a high body fat %, and I don't have no muscle base. I'm not shredded as an NPC competitor, and I'm not as big as a defensive end, but at 34 I have the formation of abs and at 6'4 220 I can bench 340 (and bench is my weakest lift) and dunk a basketball from a flat foot vertical.

Sorry, my mistake then. Throw in a pic if you want so we can see guesstimate the bf%.

[petemitchell30]

Deadlift when I said this I meant it
[QUOTE]SideNote
If you are going to lecture me about beginning with tren ace, or not doing tren at all...save it. Gear doesn't grow on trees, and I am scared sh!tless of buying online for fear of getting popped. It has taken forever for me to come across this.....so its what I'm working with. I also have a little bit of test from my script stockpiled, so I could potentially bump my test dosage up to as high as 400mg/week if needed, but from what Ive read tren E in itself at 350mg per week is sufficient to see quality gains./QUOTE]

Please stay within scope of these 3 questions as my mind has already been made up to do some form of this. I DO NOT need advice on whether or not to run the gear, I've already decided. I DO, however, need your advice on the best course of action moving forward.

To answer the questions, "lactating" is too strong a word. Bloods confirmed that my prolactin and E2 were high enough that when I squeezed my nips really hard, a tiny bit of clear liquid would form. I upped AI and bloods the next week confirmed they were in range. Problem solved. I'm on TRT for energy.

BB. I'm uncomfortable posting a picture, but if you go to Body Fat Pictures and Percentages | Leigh Peele Presents, I'm somewhere between what the 10% and 14% guy look like, just a lot more muscular.

I gather from responses that 350weekly is more than enough to see gains...what are ya'lls opinions on returning to my TRT plan for PCT?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Deadlift when I said this I meant it

That's fine.
Just know that if your doctor orders blood work that he may be shocked by what it reads.
Good luck.

I also think that you would be better off on 200mg then 350mg.
But do what you will.

[petemitchell30]

Dead i value your opinion, and this is precisely the type of advice I am soliciting. So your opinion is that 200 would be plenty for me.to see gains, makes me think I should start at 200. In the event i don't see results (or sides) How long should i wait before I bump it up?

And just fyi, my doc sees me 2x per yr, so I'll be well off of this by the time I go back to see him. If he even asks for bloods. The reason i was so active on the her board was because he gives you more than enough, and you kindof dose ir yourself. Cheap, and if you are willing to do the research and get your own bloods done, it's not a bad deal.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Dead i value your opinion, and this is precisely the type of advice I am soliciting. So your opinion is that 200 would be plenty for me.to see gains, makes me think I should start at 200. In the event i don't see results (or sides) How long should i wait before I bump it up? And just fyi, my doc sees me 2x per yr, so I'll be well off of this by the time I go back to see him. If he even asks for bloods. The reason i was so active on the her board was because he gives you more than enough, and you kindof dose ir yourself. Cheap, and if you are willing to do the research and get your own bloods done, it's not a bad deal.

My first run was a cutter with about 210mg tren A per week with 200mg test C.
Lost 18lbs in 8 weeks and kept about 99% of my strength. (I am a powerlifter.)
Part of the weight lost was water since I had been running 500mg test C and no tren for about 5 weeks.

Second run was 400mg of tren E per week.with 600mg of test C.
Gained maybe 8lbs in about ten weeks and decent strength gains.

The problem with a high dose of tren is that it can really fuck with you...
Heartburn
Night sweats
Raving sexual lunatic syndrome
Aggression
Anger
Loss of cardio

I find the tren train gets worse the longer you are on. The sides worsen.

I just started up my 3rd run.
500mg test E with 200 mg of tren E.

I will never run 400mg again.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Also,
others may disagree but....

I feel tren for me is not the best for putting on mass.
Between the heartburn lowering my appetite and the increased metabolism, I feel like I can easily put on more size with just test alone.
Hell, that is the reason for my first tren run. I had put on too much size with just test and needed to cut. (I compete in powerlifting.)

Remember that when you read shit on the internet about kids running 500mg or a gram a week....
they can be lying
or
they can have underdosed or bunk gear

Just my two cents.

[petemitchell30]

Dead.....thanks man. That is great information!

[diesel101]

Dead i value your opinion, and this is precisely the type of advice I am soliciting. So your opinion is that 200 would be plenty for me.to see gains, makes me think I should start at 200. In the event i don't see results (or sides) How long should i wait before I bump it up?

And just fyi, my doc sees me 2x per yr, so I'll be well off of this by the time I go back to see him. If he even asks for bloods. The reason i was so active on the her board was because he gives you more than enough, and you kindof dose ir yourself. Cheap, and if you are willing to do the research and get your own bloods done, it's not a bad deal.

Your doc just started you on trt and only plans on seeing you 2x a year to begin with? And might not do blood work?
Is he a doctor or a dealer?

[petemitchell30]

Your doc just started you on trt and only plans on seeing you 2x a year to begin with? And might not do blood work?
Is he a doctor or a dealer?

His office is commonly referred to as "the candy shop" in these parts