7 weeks into test e/deca , decent gain but no pump/kick in?

**rikta** · 12-17-2016, 10:35 AM

I'm on my second vial. The test was made from a lab in turkey, it's a combination of 200mg test enanthate and 100 mg of deca so I've been pining twice a week ( 1cc monday, 1,5 cc Thursday, total is 500mg of test &250 mg deca)

during week 2 I thought the gear is bunk, but when I did my blood test on week 3& 6 show my test >1500 ( which is suck because I don't know the exact number of test in my bloodstream ). But I'm pretty sure the test or at least the deca is legit because the pre-existing shoulder pain ( falling from a bike) have gone since week 3 .

I gained 22lbs so far due to crazy increase in appetite, I also gained some fat ( estimate body fat gone from 12 to 14%). I can do 5 reps of my 405 lbs x1 RM squat before the cycle.

The funny thing is I switched from heavy weight low volume to lighter weight high volume since the beginning of this cycle just to chase the "pump", but I never have the pre-mature pump or all day pump outside of the gym. And even in the gym, I feel more like I just bearing more intense pain from high reps and less rest between set.

I also feel like I have much less sexual desire even though I have no problem getting my dick up, it's like not feeling horny the majority of the time but still functional well when needed.

Overall, I feel kinda suck for a first cycle, I wish I only use test e or switch to only test e after the 1st vial because the pain from shoulder joint gone in week 3. I seriously considering droping deca next week, and add an oral like d-bol or anadrol in the last 4 week. I didn't kick start with an oral because I was scare of liver toxicity, but my blood test said my SGOT and SGPT are 27.4&23.3 ( normal range is 0-40 u/l). I don't know why but I never afraid of self-injecting but worry about swallowing pills . I've heard so much positive stuff about great feeling and the pump from test e only but i'm afraid I will never get it in this 12 weeks cycle.

EDIT 1 : I only take 0.25 mg arimidex EOD, I've consider using caber but not take it yet.
HCG 275 IU 3times/week during week 9-12

clomid 300 mg on week 14 day 1 then 100mg the next 10 days , 50 mg for last 10 days
nolva 100mg on week 14 day 1 then 60 mg the next 10 days, 40 mg the last 10 days.

**mietek** · 12-17-2016, 12:32 PM

different people will feel different but you have good gear and some gains which is most important

**Strongblood** · 12-17-2016, 01:23 PM

Hello Rikta. I'm not a big fan of blends, and this being your first cycle, Test only would have been the best choice. That way you know exactly what is causing any sides you might experience. I can tell you in regards to your decreased sex drive, Deca is going to be the culprit in this case. Deca is a 19 nor steroid and is very suppressive. You always have to include Test when running Deca. If you could increase your Test dosage a little more it would probably take care of your decreased sex drive.
I would not start an oral either. Your body needs to get used to the introduction of extra Testosterone first. Then you can introduce other compounds. Remember, it's a marathon not a sprint. Good luck!

**Mr.BB** · 12-17-2016, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by rikta

I'm on my second vial. The test was made from a lab in turkey, it's a combination of 200mg test enanthate and 100 mg of deca so I've been pining twice a week ( 1cc monday, 1,5 cc Thursday, total is 500mg of test &250 mg deca)

during week 2 I thought the gear is bunk, but when I did my blood test on week 3& 6 show my test >1500 ( which is suck because I don't know the exact number of test in my bloodstream ). But I'm pretty sure the test or at least the deca is legit because the pre-existing shoulder pain ( falling from a bike) have gone since week 3 .

I gained 22lbs so far due to crazy increase in appetite, I also gained some fat ( estimate body fat gone from 12 to 14%). I can do 5 reps of my 405 lbs x1 RM squat before the cycle.

The funny thing is I switched from heavy weight low volume to lighter weight high volume since the beginning of this cycle just to chase the "pump", but I never have the pre-mature pump or all day pump outside of the gym. And even in the gym, I feel more like I just bearing more intense pain from high reps and less rest between set.

I also feel like I have much less sexual desire even though I have no problem getting my dick up, it's like not feeling horny the majority of the time but still functional well when needed.

Overall, I feel kinda suck for a first cycle, I wish I only use test e or switch to only test e after the 1st vial because the pain from shoulder joint gone in week 3. I seriously considering droping deca next week, and add an oral like d-bol or anadrol in the last 4 week. I didn't kick start with an oral because I was scare of liver toxicity, but my blood test said my SGOT and SGPT are 27.4&23.3 ( normal range is 0-40 u/l). I don't know why but I never afraid of self-injecting but worry about swallowing pills . I've heard so much positive stuff about great feeling and the pump from test e only but i'm afraid I will never get it in this 12 weeks cycle.

Really bad choice for for 1st cycle to include deca, even more in a mix. Deca is very slow and hard shutdown compound, you are supposed to drop deca a lot sooner than the testosterone , with your mix you cant do that. I'd say drop the deca before you have trouble recovering on PCT.

Furthermore you mention no HCG or AI... more problems for you.

About the no pump start eating more carbs. Eat clean and follow you macros.

**kaptainkeezy04** · 12-17-2016, 01:39 PM

If you want the "all day pump" it's all about the orals like dbol , anavar , etc. or quality HGH pharmacy grade only. I've been on test and tren cycles where I don't get the hard muscles all day, but I'm still very vascular and my strength and gains are up and that is what matters. And like the other guy said, keep carbs and water intake high. Your muscles are somewhere around 60-70% water. I believe it was Arnold that said that.

**Batmanreturns** · 12-17-2016, 02:12 PM

What's your sodium look like?

**Jonbana** · 12-17-2016, 02:54 PM

That pump is ALL DIET lol

carbs , fats , water intake sodium intake how do you expect to get a pump if you are not well hydrated what you do 24 hours before the gym determs you workout

**ScotchGuard02** · 12-17-2016, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by rikta

I'm on my second vial. The test was made from a lab in turkey, it's a combination of 200mg test enanthate and 100 mg of deca so I've been pining twice a week ( 1cc monday, 1,5 cc Thursday, total is 500mg of test &250 mg deca) Wait a minute, Test at 200mg/ml and Deca at 100mg/ml, you'd have to take 2.5ml/wk of Test and 2.5ml/wk of Deca to make up 500mg of Test and 250mg of Deca per week. That's 5ml/wk of AAS. How are you getting 500ml/250ml out of 2.5ml?

during week 2 I thought the gear is bunk, but when I did my blood test on week 3& 6 show my test >1500 ( which is suck because I don't know the exact number of test in my bloodstream ). But I'm pretty sure the test or at least the deca is legit because the pre-existing shoulder pain ( falling from a bike) have gone since week 3 .

I gained 22lbs so far due to crazy increase in appetite, I also gained some fat ( estimate body fat gone from 12 to 14%). I can do 5 reps of my 405 lbs x1 RM squat before the cycle.

The funny thing is I switched from heavy weight low volume to lighter weight high volume since the beginning of this cycle just to chase the "pump", but I never have the pre-mature pump or all day pump outside of the gym. And even in the gym, I feel more like I just bearing more intense pain from high reps and less rest between set. I've gotten more crazy pumps while on Anavar over Deca.

I also feel like I have much less sexual desire even though I have no problem getting my dick up, it's like not feeling horny the majority of the time but still functional well when needed. Are you taking an AI? Too much Test amoritizing into E2 can cause lack of libido.

Overall, I feel kinda suck for a first cycle, I wish I only use test e or switch to only test e after the 1st vial because the pain from shoulder joint gone in week 3. I seriously considering droping deca next week, and add an oral like d-bol or anadrol in the last 4 week. Bro, if Deca is causing problems why would you drop it and then add another compound that you have no idea how it will affect your body. Drop the Deca, just stay with the Test only for the rest of your cycle.

I didn't kick start with an oral because I was scare of liver toxicity, but my blood test said my SGOT and SGPT are 27.4&23.3 ( normal range is 0-40 u/l). I don't know why but I never afraid of self-injecting but worry about swallowing pills . I've heard so much positive stuff about great feeling and the pump from test e only but i'm afraid I will never get it in this 12 weeks cycle.

Don't worry about getting pumps. What you're after is the gains. Gain as much muscles as possible and hang onto as much muscle as you can after PCT. The main contributor to hanging onto your gains will be your diet. You should post your full cycle. I don't know what you're taking on your cycle or what you'll take for PCT.

**rikta** · 12-17-2016, 08:29 PM

I use a vial that say 1 cc contain 200mg test enanthate and 100 mg decanoate .I'll use a vial test e 250 mg in the last 4 weeks of my cycle. I don't really lack of libido, but girls I see pretty before seem much less attractive, but if they flirt/do dirty stuffs it still turn me on ...what I find really weird is I don't actively go to porn site anymore during this cycle,normally I would do so right after seeing a random lewd pic gif on fb or reddit.

The only reason I think it's ok to add an oral is that many people have use it as a kick start in the 1st 4 week, since I get no kick in feeling with deca I kinda want to experience it , just to know if I should use any kick start in the next cycle in June. The reason I want the good feeling/bump so much is because I kinda depend on caffeine in the past 6 month that I want something to replace it since coffee and prework-out has much less effect . I was planning to stop using caffeine when the test kick in, but then I learned the deca make user feel lethargic. I feel like apart from strength/weight gain and that weird less sexual desire, there is not much different in week 1 and week 7, and I kinda strain my nerves in the gym to do high volume, more reps, less rest to drive blood in to achieve the "pump", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8TSK_yOU9w , but all I feel is the unbearable pain.

I edited my post and PCT plan is above.

**Mr.BB** · 12-17-2016, 08:42 PM

You need to do bloodwork on e2 as you are having estrogen symptoms.

First cycle mid cycle bloods are very important as it is where you find out how do you aromatize.

Your clomid and nolva dosages are above chart, no need for so much. You can have horrible sides from this high dosages.

HCG should be started as soon as possible at 250ui twice a week.

Stop relying on youtube for information, it is full of bro science and outdated info.