Advice for estrogen sensitive

[jborch]

Hey everyone haha yeah some drama kicked off.. gave me a few laughs tho. Songdog I don't want to be anybody's roles model let me make that clear, I just wanna fix myself and further bodybuilding. But yes fixing myself (takes priority). DocToxin8 appreciate you tuning in! Ill just restate that I haven't used any substances for a bit over 2 years now. Ive got 2 blood tests both showing my total T at 12 and 13 taken around 14 weeks apart. I will definitely study up on what you've talked about, yeah i can totally understand why people don't take me seriously. Its just been a frustrating process to deal with.. thats all. Thanks again

[Nephets]

Congrats on your sobriety.

[jborch]

Thanks brother id never go back to that life, surprisingly one of the hardest parts was cutting out toxic friends.

[Nephets]

True story. My wife tells my kids " you are who you hang with" she's a smart lady.

[DocToxin8]

12&13 nmol/L is a bit low.
But once you jump on that test (or any AAS) you'll most likely end up with even lower levels afterwards. And that means you'll be headed for TRT for life,
which again means you'll have trouble getting any kids.

Are you on any medication at the moment btw?

Also, before trying a cycle, I'd suggest doing a SERM or power PCT to see if that's enough to change things.

I know it sounds appealing to use T when you got low-ish T,
but that means you will get even lower T back after you quit.

You should see a specialist about this, not just a GP doc.

[jborch]

Thanks for the advice DocToxin I'm looking into it. No I'm not on anything. Yeah I kinda played with the thought of going on for life but thats just rash. Anything in particular you'd recommend for the Serm route? worth a try before anything else

[DocToxin8]

I'd really suggest you try this in conjunction with a doctor.
If your GP won't help see a specialist.
Some have reported success using clomid as a substitute for TRT.
But I'm kinda wary regarding all SERMs.
They can all have side effects. But I hardly think they're gonna do any damage to your HPTA at least.

But again, if you find a specialist and rather use some cash on that,
it's still a lot cheaper (and safer) than just jumping on test.
When it comes to drug abuse it's easy to switch one addiction for another,
and while AAS doesn't lead to the same detrimental life changes hard drugs will do, it still has the potential to cause a lot of problems.

If you find a specialist in male reproduction (andrology), chances are you'll get the help you need.

[Marsoc]

but yeah any experience would be appreciated guys, I will provide what i look like if requested.. I just generally want to get this right. My Hormonal profile is pretty bad for a start due to (Opioid induced androgen deficiency) which basically means I've already ruined my endo system.

Have you talked to a doctor about this...I wonder if suboxone can cause this deficiency...

[Marsoc]

My conditioning.. one pic is the biggest I've been and the other the best shape I've been

What gyno...I don't see any

[DocToxin8]

Have you talked to a doctor about this...I wonder if suboxone can cause this deficiency...

Suboxone doesn't cause clinical low T in studies usually.
However, just talking to guys on suboxone, it's pretty clear it affects T to some degree. It's hard to pinpoint how much, as the signs of low libido and difficulty achieving erection can also be caused by the opiate action itself.
However, I believe that most people on subuxone maintainance would perhaps benefit of increasing T.

With methadone and harder opiates the picture is more clear however,
and even osteoporosis has been reported, a clear sign of clinical low levels of sex hormones.

[DocToxin8]

What gyno...I don't see any

Yeah, the estrogen sensitive thing got kinda lost here.
Why do you think you are estrogen sensitive?

[Marsoc]

Suboxone doesn't cause clinical low T in studies usually.
However, just talking to guys on suboxone, it's pretty clear it affects T to some degree. It's hard to pinpoint how much, as the signs of low libido and difficulty achieving erection can also be caused by the opiate action itself.
However, I believe that most people on subuxone maintainance would perhaps benefit of increasing T.

With methadone and harder opiates the picture is more clear however,
and even osteoporosis has been reported, a clear sign of clinical low levels of sex hormones.

I just WONDER since it's a synthetic opiode .or it mimics it to bind to receptors..
I wonder because they have me in that shit till I'm done with this court class..then I will ween off of it..no problems with erections or sex drive..as it's through the roof always. Then again maybe I'm just a freak. I'm going to ask a doctor

[DocToxin8]

I just WONDER since it's a synthetic opiode .or it mimics it to bind to receptors..
I wonder because they have me in that shit till I'm done with this court class..then I will ween off of it..no problems with erections or sex drive..as it's through the roof always. Then again maybe I'm just a freak. I'm going to ask a doctor

If that's the case I don't think you have an issue. But always good to measure.
It also depends on dose ofcourse.

But I did talk to an endocrinologist who said subs usually weren't that bad for the HPTA. Ill see if I can dig up some studies on this.

[DocToxin8]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubme...20testosterone

Here there was no difference between the treated group and the control,
both had about 5,0ng/ml T. (The methadone group scored very low)
But the dose was simply listed as 8-20mg, with 11mg being the average.

The study was also very small (17)

But among some other abstracts I saw it seemed my initial statement was wrong. Maybe it's not that supressive after all. (Or not at all in most)

[rt4man]

lmfao...who is this guy?

Is this why you were asking about why people got banned? Lol. I think you enjoy pushing buttons. Does make for entertaining threads through.

[Grappler13]

Come on y'all. He's 20. He's either going to do it without us or with us. He's 20! Remember when you were 20? What if we give him 100 units of info and he actually uses 10....better than none.

Dear 20 year old: if you are going to cycle at your age, you must use hcg at 500-1000 ius a week and you just have to PCT at the end of what should be no longer than a gen week cycle. Test only and no more nor less than 500mg a week injected every 3.5 days split. Don't start until you have a solid understanding of PCT and all of your PCT meds in your hand.


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[jborch]

Hey everyone, Grappler13 thanks for the info I appreciate the cycle info right there but I did however already understand the fundamentals, I haven't just looked into this over night, sad to think a lot of people my age don't at all.. I know about two people my age who have cycled with 100mg of test prop injected once a week for 4 weeks with no pct or anything LMAO, Doctoxin in regard to my gyno its only on one of my nipples but both do get very sensitive and uncomfortable the gyno growth itself actually is fairly distributed and blends in with the actual shape of my chest strangely enough. Lump is there and all.. I have adjusted my diet accordingly and it has slowly subsided but still remains. I would just like to rid myself of the discomfort man. When it comes to doctors and specialists I have tried 4 doctors and 1 specialist, all have generally passed me off and said your hormones are fine. Actually I started citing studies to one doctor and they kicked me out, I didn't even show any attitude. Thanks everyone for contributing to this discussion! Hey out of curiosity have you had to deal with stuff before DocToxin?