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    Dr. prescribed Cyp but nothing else?

    Hey guys,

    A while back I was considering trying steroids to put on some bulk and help improve some fitness performance.

    I came on here to learn as much as I could. I'm 40, about 177-181lbs, train about 60-90mins 5-6 days a week, diets decent in quality but I honestly need to eat more.

    So when I was on here I noticed many had a few things they were taking.

    Looks like my a BW came back to my dr and it 274 so he's prescribed me Cyponaite 100 MG a week. But nothing else.

    What's the difference between this, and a cycle? Is this just not enough testosterone to boost gains with proper training and diet and is that why he's not giving me some of the additions I see others here taking?

    Should I stack my prescriptions until I have enough?

    Thanks for the help

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    The protocol your doc put you on will raise your test levels but put keep you within standard range. A cycle will put you at super physiological levels. People make great gains on TRT without massive doses though

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    Your doctor will monitor your blood results for the first several months. At that dose you probably don't need an AI. If your E2 comes back high on a follow up blood tests he will prescribe one. If your test doesn't get raised to a proper level he will up the dose, and so on. When you start TRT it is trial and error for the first couple of months.

    Most important, DO NOT add anything to your system until you have your TRT dialed in. Adding test at this point will screw up your blood work and make it impossible for your doctor to dial it in. Once you have the TRT dose set for about six months with solid blood work you can start adding stuff if you want.

    With a number like 274 I'm guessing you will notice a big difference with the test. Assuming you are having the normal effects of low T, the TRT dose will greatly increase your quality of life. You may find you don't need anything else for awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boisebeast View Post
    The protocol your doc put you on will raise your test levels but put keep you within standard range. A cycle will put you at super physiological levels. People make great gains on TRT without massive doses though
    Well said boisebeast. TRT is just that,,testosterone replacement ,,just to bring your levels up to normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boisebeast View Post
    The protocol your doc put you on will raise your test levels but put keep you within standard range. A cycle will put you at super physiological levels. People make great gains on TRT without massive doses though
    Nicely put sir.

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    And most GPs and doctors outside endocrinology will do this. It is always best to see a progressive specialist so they can monitor and adjust as needed. Your test being so low, you'll benefit greatly by this. You will be surprised by the progress you make in the gym. And if you're wanting to add more muscle mass, I would lower your workload in the gym. At 40, now is a really good time for yout to put a lot of your gym time effort into cardio as well. I hope the best for you

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    Thanks for the replies,

    He's got me getting blood work done after the first month because of a slight concern with red blood cell rise.

    Honestly The only effect of low T I've maybe noticed is that I'm not hitting some some of the higher end numbers on my power lifts and olympics lifts that I used to hit. But I assumed it was just me getting older and not training those lifts with the frequency I did a few years back.

    I'm playing it smart, Im a fitness coach and can't really afford to do something stupid that screws my ability to train.

    I'm hoping I can get to a lean 195-197 without having to go higher than 150mg per week

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cole40 View Post
    Thanks for the replies,

    He's got me getting blood work done after the first month because of a slight concern with red blood cell rise.

    Honestly The only effect of low T I've maybe noticed is that I'm not hitting some some of the higher end numbers on my power lifts and olympics lifts that I used to hit. But I assumed it was just me getting older and not training those lifts with the frequency I did a few years back.

    I'm playing it smart, Im a fitness coach and can't really afford to do something stupid that screws my ability to train.

    I'm hoping I can get to a lean 195-197 without having to go higher than 150mg per week
    You should be able to achieve those goals easy. You'll be amazed at how good you will feel getting your testosterone levels up to a more normal range. It was a godsend for me and I'm sure everyone else. You will be happier and feel like a kid again. Just be careful and moderate to start out with and don't overdo anything to increase a chance of injury.

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    Really good advice from the guys above Cole. TRT takes time to dial in and to achieve optimal results. Some can feel results in a month or so, others may take many more monts to feel / see the benefits.

    Take some time and read the sticky threads at the top of this forum as they can help you greatly. Self-education is key here as many doc's are really not that adept at hormone replacement therapy unfortunately. Your doc is correct starting your at that dose. Far too many doc's start high and then have to mitigate side effects unnecessarily.

    Best of luck. Post up on this thread how your first set of blood works turns out please!
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    This is all good to hear. I'm not rushing it, I've set about a 6month training goal. Although pt1982 you bring up a question, why would I want to bring my cardio up; my assumption was be that I'd want to weight train with greater frequency and loads, and more isolation training. I've got a fast metabolism so staying lean has always been easy, bulking a struggle. (Took 8 yrs to go from 165 to 181.

    I'm hoping this will allow me to train harder and with greater intensity

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    As we age you'll find less is more when it comes to lifting frequency. Recovery / growth is done at home at the kitchen table and sleeping, not in the gym. Simply put, train as hard as possible but less frequently if you want to make gains. It's not how much time you spend in the gym, it's the intensity of effort that matter.

    Years ago I dropped back to every other day training. Basically, M-W-F only and I don't do cardio, ever. Without question it's been the best thing I've done to maintain muscle mass while aging, imho. You're fresh and ready for each workout and you have more time for other things in life as well. When it comes to only gaining 16 lbs over 8 years don't blame your metabolism. Blame under-eating and nothing else. Many guys think they're eating enough but in most cases they're not. It's hard to continually eat the amounts needed to gain quality muscle. Really hard. It take a lot of focus and effort. With newly optimized T levels you can make great gains with hard work.
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