Getting to know you guys (favorite compounds)

[PT1982]

I will warn you, you will probably love deca so much you dont want to stop ever. Your joints hurt like mine. Deca made me a new person. Looove it!

Do you still wake up some days feeling like a bull? I am trying to get a glimpse of my future....

Have you ever used NPP Obs?

[redz]

Methyl tren talk is something I don't like to go too into detail because the dangers which are real. I did suffer some extreme heart burn while on it my first run. My second run will be in the next 2 months. It leaned me out like crazy I couldn't drink enough water I was peeing constantly, night sweats and day sweats too. I really don't want to make it sound great because new users will get the wrong idea about methyl tren which is undoubtedly one of the most dangerous compounds out there. I was shocked when my blood work came back with no elevated liver values. I laughed when my doctor told me but i was honest with her that I used steroids but didn't give her specifics of what compounds.

[Obs]

Have you ever used NPP Obs?

Nay.

[KINGKONG]

I love test makes me feel great!!a gram a week is perfect..deca gives me moon face,d bol makes me moody drol makes me bloated winni is too weak tren is a wonderful compound but it makes me so I cannot sleep and I get irritable quick ..I recently tried tren suspension I loved that!!all the positives of tren and I could sleep!!fav blast low dose deca 200-300 mg 1 gram test and 300mg tren yummmmm

[MuscleScience]

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Sorry, fully naked

[600@50]

I will warn you, you will probably love deca so much you dont want to stop ever. Your joints hurt like mine. Deca made me a new person. Looove it!

Do you still wake up some days feeling like a bull? I am trying to get a glimpse of my future....

Honestly there's not a day where something doesn't hurt. I've always wanted to try deca if only for my joints.
If it weren't for my back I'd probably still feel like a bull. My bench and upper body stuff is still good but squats and DL has taken a hit. I just can't train them heavy now.

[Couchlock]

I just wanted to get a feel for what everyone prefers. I want looking for something with the best results. I agree more isn't always better if that's what you mean. What's your favorite?

Doing a little market research, ey?. Lol

[600@50]

I bet you were strong! That's a beast. You'll probably like halo for a meet, lol. It makes me mean as a snake

Yep. Always wanted to try it but never had the chance.

[PT1982]

Methyl tren talk is something I don't like to go too into detail because the dangers which are real. I did suffer some extreme heart burn while on it my first run. My second run will be in the next 2 months. It leaned me out like crazy I couldn't drink enough water I was peeing constantly, night sweats and day sweats too. I really don't want to make it sound great because new users will get the wrong idea about methyl tren which is undoubtedly one of the most dangerous compounds out there. I was shocked when my blood work came back with no elevated liver values. I laughed when my doctor told me but i was honest with her that I used steroids but didn't give her specifics of what compounds.

I understand not going into details. Being you're running it again is enough for me. It sounds like you had typical tren sides but amplified? I've always been so curious about it but have heard liver issues can be real. It's refreshing knowing yours didn't get crazy. Those tren sides are just a bit much for me these days. It is tempting though!

[PT1982]

I love test makes me feel great!!a gram a week is perfect..deca gives me moon face,d bol makes me moody drol makes me bloated winni is too weak tren is a wonderful compound but it makes me so I cannot sleep and I get irritable quick ..I recently tried tren suspension I loved that!!all the positives of tren and I could sleep!!fav blast low dose deca 200-300 mg 1 gram test and 300mg tren yummmmm

Oh my. That tren suspension sounds great! Lol. Tren effects but being able to sleep is a biggy

[Obs]

Honestly there's not a day where something doesn't hurt. I've always wanted to try deca if only for my joints.
If it weren't for my back I'd probably still feel like a bull. My bench and upper body stuff is still good but squats and DL has taken a hit. I just can't train them heavy now.

Well I have gotten cortisone injections on joints and it in no way compares to deca for me. My left elbow is screaming at me right now and I am on deca bit its because I way overdid it. It will be better as the day goes on.

Anyway, deca rocks, it just sucks that when its over the hurt comes back.

[PT1982]

Nay.

Since you love deca , you might love npp. My love of deca lead me that way and I haven't looked back. I like to use 50mgs M/W/F with TRT for the joint pain, but it makes me feel great overall. I always have a positive attitude and outlook.

[Obs]

Since you love deca, you might love npp. My love of deca lead me that way and I haven't looked back. I like to use 50mgs M/W/F with TRT for the joint pain, but it makes me feel great overall. I always have a positive attitude and outlook.

Yes the shorter ester does sound very interesting. I am sure I try it soon.

[hammerheart]

Sorry, fully naked

It is a wonder to me how your dick function w/o any T/DHT in your system.

Let me ask you a question: do you grow any body hair on tren /deca only?

[MuscleScience]

It is a wonder to me how your dick function w/o any T/DHT in your system.

Let me ask you a question: do you grow any body hair on tren/deca only?

You have endogenous T still being Produced by the testis. The concentrations are many times higher in testicals tissues. You just don't have enough that is free to circulating in that blood stream.

I actually don't have much of any body hair. If I take T I actually grow more facial hair. I have always been on the low side of normal with my T ranges.

[hammerheart]

You have endogenous T still being Produced by the testis. The concentrations are many times higher in testicals tissues. You just don't have enough that is free to circulating in that blood stream.

I actually don't have much of any body hair. If I take T I actually grow more facial hair. I have always been on the low side of normal with my T ranges.

Noted. I have lot of body hair that started to fall out with low T, facial hair struggles to grow even with high T levels, so I was concerned that I could loose all the fur if I went on 19-nors alone, as they seem not to affect the skin/scalp as well as prostate.

[MuscleScience]

Noted. I have lot of body hair that started to fall out with low T, facial hair struggles to grow even with high T levels, so I was concerned that I could loose all the fur if I went on 19-nors alone, as they seem not to affect the skin/scalp as well as prostate.

Admittedly my body seems to react different to varies compounds as I does to others here. I run T even in super low dosages, I have bad estrogenic side effects even if I run an AI or Serm. My body seems accustomed to operate on lower T. I can run Deca for a year at 4-600mg and not have deca dick and I recover fully after 4-6 weeks of being off. I do get testicular shrinkage but I am fine with that. My nuts are already big and are prone to me sitting on them and
Stuff.

[hammerheart]

Admittedly my body seems to react different to varies compounds as I does to others here. I run T even in super low dosages, I have bad estrogenic side effects even if I run an AI or Serm. My body seems accustomed to operate on lower T. I can run Deca for a year at 4-600mg and not have deca dick and I recover fully after 4-6 weeks of being off. I do get testicular shrinkage but I am fine with that. My nuts are already big and are prone to me sitting on them and
Stuff.

Well my issue is I feel very lousy on AI yet I don't feel well either if I dial Test so low that I don't need AI. Unlike you, I seems I need the estrogen more than Test. Never really experienced any relief from low T symptoms (especially libido) until I tried Tren . Virtually sideless unlike the clusterfuck of negative sides from Test, AI or not. However, I know I still need estrogen to function, without any T/DHT I guess a very minimum would be needed, so if I were to really do this experience I'd try to add either a small amount of deca or a tad dbol .

I used to have a big pair of juicy nuts but now they are gone.

[600@50]

Well I have gotten cortisone injections on joints and it in no way compares to deca for me. My left elbow is screaming at me right now and I am on deca bit its because I way overdid it. It will be better as the day goes on.

Anyway, deca rocks, it just sucks that when its over the hurt comes back.

I never had cortisone injections because I knew I would only do more damage if the pain was being masked. I know way too many people that permanently screwed themselves up because they didn't know when to quit because the pain was masked by cortisone. Most of them are non-lifters, just guys I've worked with over the years. I'm gonna try deca leading up to a meet this fall. Maybe even add some mass and have to go up a weight class.

[Obs]

I never had cortisone injections because I knew I would only do more damage if the pain was being masked. I know way too many people that permanently screwed themselves up because they didn't know when to quit because the pain was masked by cortisone. Most of them are non-lifters, just guys I've worked with over the years. I'm gonna try deca leading up to a meet this fall. Maybe even add some mass and have to go up a weight class.

Good luck man! Keep us posted on your progress.

[kelkel]

Sorry I missed that. You're a big guy. Do you typically just do one good blast a year, or do you do a few a year? I used to do 6 on and 4 off for a long time with short esters at moderately high doses. Now I find myself just doing maybe 2 lower dosed 8 weekers a year.

Normally two but shit happens. I don't do these large grandios cycles like you see here, never have. I just keep it simple and rely on training and nutrition, old school I guess. Way to many guys here run amounts that are simply uneccessary and with to many compounds. Then they wonder why they have issues and can't figure out where the problem lies. Some look like they've lifted about a year and run cycles I would never consider. If not getting ready to compete in some form or fashion just keep it simple, controllable and overall more healthy.
My .02 anyway.

[kelkel]

Y I have always been on the low side of normal

But we still appreciate you.

[PT1982]

Normally two but shit happens. I don't do these large grandios cycles like you see here, never have. I just keep it simple and rely on training and nutrition, old school I guess. Way to many guys here run amounts that are simply uneccessary and with to many compounds. Then they wonder why they have issues and can't figure out where the problem lies. Some look like they've lifted about a year and run cycles I would never consider. If not getting ready to compete in some form or fashion just keep it simple, controllable and overall more healthy.
My .02 anyway.

Sounds true and so smart. I admit I fell victim and used to run astronomical doses. Now that I use much more moderate and low doses, I have so much more progress. I guess it takes time to learn and a lot of trial and error to realize lower doses coupled with proper training and diet can give stellar results without half of the side effects. I remember in the early stages, I would run tren at 1000-1500mgs a week thinking I was going to be a giant. It was so stupid looking back. Sometimes I do worry what long term effects I have caused myself with being irresponsible.

[MuscleScience]

But we still appreciate you.

Lol, well played sir. Well played

[DocToxin8]

Sounds true and so smart. I admit I fell victim and used to run astronomical doses. Now that I use much more moderate and low doses, I have so much more progress. I guess it takes time to learn and a lot of trial and error to realize lower doses coupled with proper training and diet can give stellar results without half of the side effects. I remember in the early stages, I would run tren at 1000-1500mgs a week thinking I was going to be a giant. It was so stupid looking back. Sometimes I do worry what long term effects I have caused myself with being irresponsible.

Wow! 1-1,5g tren !
I think my highest total AAS intake has been 2G a week.
As long as you survived it then,
I don't think you'll need to worry too much about side effects later.
(To some degree yes, but the body is amazing at recovery, not speaking about the HPTA)

[hammerheart]

Sounds true and so smart. I admit I fell victim and used to run astronomical doses. Now that I use much more moderate and low doses, I have so much more progress. I guess it takes time to learn and a lot of trial and error to realize lower doses coupled with proper training and diet can give stellar results without half of the side effects. I remember in the early stages, I would run tren at 1000-1500mgs a week thinking I was going to be a giant. It was so stupid looking back. Sometimes I do worry what long term effects I have caused myself with being irresponsible.

Did you do any bloodwork while that high on Tren ? lol

[PT1982]

How do any of you guys like primo? I don't hear much about it on the forum

[redz]

I think primo is not a favourite due to cost and the amount of fake primo. I personally would love to play around with it when my cash flow is where it needs to be and I can get some pharma grade primo.

[PT1982]

Did you do any bloodwork while that high on Tren? lol

Oh yeah. I get bloods done bi monthly and when I was on the huge about of tren I was running I was getting bloods done monthly for my Accutane prescription. Kidneys, liver, terrible liver, and BP . Most I ever ran was 250mgs daily and planked to go 8-10 weeks. Cut sshort after 5, lol. I was young and dumb.

[PT1982]

I think primo is not a favourite due to cost and the amount of fake primo. I personally would love to play around with it when my cash flow is where it needs to be and I can get some pharma grade primo.

You're right. And I think it's such a slow drug that many just abandon or neglect it..my first couple times I said "no more of this"! Now I know it's a patience drug. I may not ever run in again, but then again, I love taking stuff. It took about 14 weeks before I started to really see results. But each week after that, I didn't even look myself. I was seeing dramatic changes all the way up until my last pin which finished on week 20. I think primo can be one of the best of there, but it's so expensive and slow that I think people put it on the backburner. If I used if again, I'd go to 22 x 24 weeks. Great stuff guys!

[PT1982]

Wow! 1-1,5g tren !
I think my highest total AAS intake has been 2G a week.
As long as you survived it then,
I don't think you'll need to worry too much about side effects later.
(To some degree yes, but the body is amazing at recovery, not speaking about the HPTA)

I agree man and I was telling Kel earlier that I do fear what I may have done to my body longterm being do careless. It is not only dangerous, but it doesn't give you much more besides horrid side effects. I've done some really idiotic blasts in the past that I'm ashamed of.

[DocToxin8]

You're right. And I think it's such a slow drug that many just abandon or neglect it..my first couple times I said "no more of this"! Now I know it's a patience drug. I may not ever run in again, but then again, I love taking stuff. It took about 14 weeks before I started to really see results. But each week after that, I didn't even look myself. I was seeing dramatic changes all the way up until my last pin which finished on week 20. I think primo can be one of the best of there, but it's so expensive and slow that I think people put it on the backburner. If I used if again, I'd go to 22 x 24 weeks. Great stuff guys!

Primo is great I agree, but the mere cost is prohibitive. Nowadays I'd chose mast over primo as I see them as basically the same, with mast having some nice "side effects" to it.
I used to to primo to recover after cycles back in the day.
Just taper down on primo only (that WAS the PCT back then),
and it actually worked much better than just quitting cold turkey.

As for stupid use, I've done my fair share too,
but back in the day when I first started AAS I heard that the body was only able to utilize around 1,2G AAS each week, and that higher dosages didn't lead to anything but more side effects.
Ofcourse, that was broscience and not true at all,
but I'm glad I believed it to be the truth for some time.

Actually, my first years of AAS use I rarely exceeded 500mg a week.
Maybe 500mg TE, plus 100mg winstrol depot, and maybe some deca or primo in 100-200mg, not at the same time I run winstrol depot.
Almost never used orals either.
Think i must have used AAS for at least two years straight before I popped my first 2mg oral winstrol pills.

What was different and stupid was the length of time on.
It wasn't like: now I'm gonna do 8-12 weeks,
it was: now I do AAS and I'll take a break when, if, maybe, i need to normalize a little later. And we're taking 2-3 mo break.
So I was a TRT case waiting to happen.

Even took pre emptive gyno surgery very quickly,
because what I heard about nolva back then was that it reduced IGF1.
So the gyno op was in essence the estrogen control I did.
Yeah, it was fucking smart alright.

[GirlyGymRat]

I think primo is not a favourite due to cost and the amount of fake primo. I personally would love to play around with it when my cash flow is where it needs to be and I can get some pharma grade primo.

Primo is a fav. Hard to find legit. And this is right below hgh, of course.

[DocToxin8]

Primo is a fav. Hard to find legit. And this is right below hgh, of course.

For women I can definitely see it being great.
But wouldn't nandrolone be even better or as good?
(I can imagine nandrolone affecting menstrual cycle and such more than primo though)
And do you mean the oral primo or the injectable or both GGR?

An ex of mine want to try some AAS in addition to HGH (she's used a lot of HGH), and I mentioned anavar . But maybe primo would be just as good?
Deca is used in women so it should also be a good choice,
but it's a progestin and I feel even gynocologists doesn't truly understand the female reproductive system, so experience is greater than theory here.

[hammerheart]

Oh yeah. I get bloods done bi monthly and when I was on the huge about of tren I was running I was getting bloods done monthly for my Accutane prescription. Kidneys, liver, terrible liver, and BP . Most I ever ran was 250mgs daily and planked to go 8-10 weeks. Cut sshort after 5, lol. I was young and dumb.

We all were at some point in life. I feel like I still do.

[hammerheart]

Primo is great I agree, but the mere cost is prohibitive. Nowadays I'd chose mast over primo as I see them as basically the same, with mast having some nice "side effects" to it.

I tried mast but it makes me feel fever-like sick with a mighty headache. Not sure if I want to try it again...

[kelkel]

We all were at some point in life. I feel like I still do.

We all have our moments.......still.

[GirlyGymRat]

For women I can definitely see it being great.
But wouldn't nandrolone be even better or as good?
(I can imagine nandrolone affecting menstrual cycle and such more than primo though)
And do you mean the oral primo or the injectable or both GGR?

An ex of mine want to try some AAS in addition to HGH (she's used a lot of HGH), and I mentioned anavar . But maybe primo would be just as good?
Deca is used in women so it should also be a good choice,
but it's a progestin and I feel even gynocologists doesn't truly understand the female reproductive system, so experience is greater than theory here.

I ran oral but would have been more cost effective to run inj.

My next cycle could be masteron or proviron with winny. I need to get training up to speed and drop some bf first.

[01dragonslayer]

Test goes with out sayin'....so my vote goes for NPP or maybe Ment.

[PT1982]

Primo is a fav. Hard to find legit. And this is right below hgh, of course.

Primo is killer on women and very cost effective at the doses needed. I think the best cycle a woman can possibly do is anavar /GH/T3. Most of the women who use that I work with use this stack. I wish men could use women's doses!