Your experiance with Deca and Equipoise

**mmigowski** · 03-31-2017, 05:11 AM

Hi guys, I want to start my 2nd cycle in a month or so an looking for advice. I'm looking to put some good quality gains on. My first cycle was a 12 week course of Test E 500mg a week plus HCG 250u 2x a week. I had some Arimidex but didn't have to use it. I put some decent/lean gains on and had a good experiance and PCT went well too. It's been 20 weeks since I finished my PCT.

I want to do Test about 600mg per week (14 weeks) + either Deca 300mg p.w. (12 weeks) or Equipoise 500mg p.w. (14 weeks) - but everywhere I read, Deca can be very harsh, Deca Dick + shutdown - don't know if you guys tried it and had bad side effects? Read about having cabergoline at hand with Deca (plus standard AI), but I guess everything has side effects.

As far as the Equipoise - I guess leaned gains/good appetite etc, but androgenic side effect can be stronger than Deca? + I read somewhere about anxiaty etc. Also some guys say Equipose is just not worth it...do you actually gain any size with it?

So what experiance have you had with these two, which one do you prefer and why, what would you recommend...

My stats:
age 36
weight: 77 kg
hight: 170 cm
body fat: 13%

diet:
carbs (oats, rice, potatoes..): 440g
protein (chicken, fish, steak..): 220g
fat (from red meat, fish, nuts...): 70g

Thanks for sharing your opinions!

**Mr.BB** · 03-31-2017, 05:29 AM

Both deca and Eq have very long esters, which can seriously mess your recovery. Besides that deca shuts you down hard, and eq is very weak muscle builder most it does is increase your red blood cells.

If you want to do PCT and preserve your testicular function dont use either. If you had success with testosterone do it again, maybe add one oral, winstrol for 4 weeks?

BTW, you say "had some Arimidex but didn't have to use it", if you didn't do bloodwork you are completely wrong. You can have high estrogen and not notice gyno, etc. High estrogen worse effects are on cardiac function, not gyno.

**mmigowski** · 03-31-2017, 05:38 AM

Thanks for your feedback. I did do bloodwork before and in the middle of my cycle and my estrogen was bang on, but I bought Arimidex before starting the cycle because I wasnt sure how I would react and this is waht I was advised to do.

So many different views on Eq and Deca - some say Eq is very mild and ect. You say I should consider Winstrol but that's mainly a cutting steroid ? What do you think about Masteron ?

Thx

**Mr.BB** · 03-31-2017, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by mmigowski

You say I should consider Winstrol but that's mainly a cutting steroid? What do you think about Masteron?

So winstrol is a cutting steroid and masteron is not???

Cutting or bulking will depend on your diet much more than on the steroids used.

But I will say that, in my opinion, winstrol can be used in bulking, masteron not really.

Anyways, winstrol was only an example, you have dbol too.

I understand that ppl in first cycles have the urge to experiment new compounds, with the hope of extreme gains. Unfortunately it doesnt work like that, diet and genetics will have much more important significance in the quality of your muscle gains than using different AAS. But we can only advise from our experience, at the end of the day you have the final decision... and consequences too.

**mmigowski** · 03-31-2017, 06:04 AM

Thanks, fair points!

**songdog** · 03-31-2017, 06:22 AM

Deca is not a wise choice for a 2nd cycle you could do good running the same cycle again.You don't have too make each cycle stronger than the last.Run the least amount until you don't see anymore gains.This is better for your body.

**mmigowski** · 03-31-2017, 07:56 AM

Ok, so at what point do you start stacking? I saw decent results from my Test only cycle, but I guess I want to get more this time...

**lntense** · 03-31-2017, 08:23 AM

I've noticed on this forum an abundance of threads with guys that cycle/pct and wanting to run either deca or EQ, and are relatively new to AAS.

Why?? Are these just popular by the bros in the gym or something? I don't get it.

**MuscleScience** · 03-31-2017, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by lntense

I've noticed on this forum an abundance of threads with guys that cycle/pct and wanting to run either deca or EQ, and are relatively new to AAS.

Why?? Are these just popular by the bros in the gym or something? I don't get it.

EQ has this mythical power about it that college age gym bros beatoff over. I personally think it's one of the most worthless compounds.

Deca on the other hand is second only to Tren in my mind. (I'm a fan of 19-Nors in general)

To the OP:

Deca is a bit overkill for a second cycle, you will grow like a weed on test alone the first few cycles. Once you are more experienced and more of your genetic potential is reached, then Deca is a very nice compound to use. I'm of the opinion that 400mg/week is a max dosage as it will give awesome gains with less risk of sides. It can shut you down pretty hard like mentioned above. That is one major reason to get some experience recovering with Test only cycles because they are easier to recover from and there is more margin for error due to lack of experience.

**lntense** · 03-31-2017, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

EQ has this mythical power about it that college age gym bros beatoff over. I personally think it's one of the most worthless compounds.

Deca on the other hand is second only to Tren in my mind. (I'm a fan of 19-Nors in general)

I'm not a fan of EQ either. Deca is a great compound overall though, but my body just doesn't handle it well. Moody, lack of sexual drive but my dick works fine on it. I've even checked my prolactin etc. and it always has the same effect, so I've just ruled it out.

Tren on the other hand, I could run upwards of 600mg and have the best sense of well being, I react to it very well and the gains start showing the first week on ace for me. The libido increase on it is almost a nuisance.. especially if masteron is thrown in there. I have made some very bad decisions with females on tren. But as I get older I will run tren less and less for the obvious health reasons.

**MuscleScience** · 03-31-2017, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by lntense

I'm not a fan of EQ either. Deca is a great compound overall though, but my body just doesn't handle it well. Moody, lack of sexual drive but my dick works fine on it. I've even checked my prolactin etc. and it always has the same effect, so I've just ruled it out.

Tren on the other hand, I could run upwards of 600mg and have the best sense of well being, I react to it very well and the gains start showing the first week on ace for me. The libido increase on it is almost a nuisance.. especially if masteron is thrown in there. I have made some very bad decisions with females on tren. But as I get older I will run tren less and less for the obvious health reasons.

I feel great on both, really no steroid do I not have a general sense of better well-being to be honest.

I hear what your saying about Tren and women. When I'm on all I want to do
Is put it in their poopers. Turns me into a wannabe porn star.

**lntense** · 03-31-2017, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

I feel great on both, really no steroid do I not have a general sense of better well-being to be honest.

I hear what your saying about Tren and women. When I'm on all I want to do
Is put it in their poopers. Turns me into a wannabe porn star.

lol, it's a sexual deviant drug.

I will say though that when I combined both tren(300mg) and a low dose of deca (150-200mg), the deca didn't effect me like it would if I were to run it solo.

I just threw it in there for the joint relief, so I may end up doing that again at some point.

**MuscleScience** · 03-31-2017, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by lntense

lol, it's a sexual deviant drug.

I will say though that when I combined both tren (300mg) and a low dose of deca (150-200mg), the deca didn't effect me like it would if I were to run it solo.

I just threw it in there for the joint relief, so I may end up doing that again at some point.

That's a good point, I have never done that. I might just try that out and see how my joints feel.