1st Cycle w/ Andropen - critique & recommendations?

**cts-v** · 04-19-2017, 07:31 AM

Hi guys, some quick background.

31 years old – 5’11, 170lbs. Been lifting a few years. Have my lifting and cardio down as well as diet.

Starting my first cycle with 20ml of Andropen – dosed at 1CC every Tuesday and Friday.
Just started yesterday –Will be taking 12.5 aromasin and liver support eod for AI.

12 week cycle – at the end of the cycle run Clomid 50/50/25/25 and Nolva 40/20/20/20 for 4 weeks, no aromasin obviously. Does that seem like too aggressive PCT, and how often do you feel the clomid and nolva should be dosed?

Still trying to find a good source for nolva and aromasin.

**Mr. Small** · 04-19-2017, 08:05 AM

1CC is 275mg of test with 5 esters. Not the norm, but probably ok though.

PCT Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 and Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20

**ScotchGuard02** · 04-19-2017, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by cts-v

Hi guys, some quick background.

31 years old – 5’11, 170lbs. Been lifting a few years. Have my lifting and cardio down as well as diet.

Starting my first cycle with 20ml of Andropen – dosed at 1CC every Tuesday and Friday.
Just started yesterday –Will be taking 12.5 aromasin and liver support eod for AI.

12 week cycle – at the end of the cycle run Clomid 50/50/25/25 and Nolva 40/20/20/20 for 4 weeks, no aromasin obviously. Does that seem like too aggressive PCT, and how often do you feel the clomid and nolva should be dosed?

Still trying to find a good source for nolva and aromasin.

I run PCT at Clomid 100/50/50/50 and Nolvadex 40/20/20/20. I'm on TRT now so I don't need to run PCT. Yahoo! LOL

**cts-v** · 04-19-2017, 08:44 AM

Right. Should I take it past 1CC? 550mg I assumed was decent for a first cycle.

**ScotchGuard02** · 04-19-2017, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by cts-v

Right. Should I take it past 1CC? 550mg I assumed was decent for a first cycle.

550mg/wk is a good dose for the first cycle. Andropen has 100mg short ester and 165mg of long ester. I would pin EOD or E3D to keep the blood concentration level more consistent from the short ester.

**Capebuffalo** · 04-19-2017, 09:00 AM

5-11 @ 170 lbs is light. I would work on training and diet before looking for a short cut. You're not eating enough.

**cts-v** · 04-19-2017, 10:39 AM

? I've been lifting since 2009. I have hypothroidism, so dramatic changes even over long events are almost non existent. I've almost always ate at a deficit to attempt to lose weight for the better portion of 5+ years alone.

**kelkel** · 04-19-2017, 10:42 AM

Well, you're on cycle now so don't waste it eating on a deficit. First cycle is the time to grow! Be sure to get some mid-cycle BW.

**Mr.BB** · 04-19-2017, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by cts-v

? I've been lifting since 2009. I have hypothroidism, so dramatic changes even over long events are almost non existent. I've almost always ate at a deficit to attempt to lose weight for the better portion of 5+ years alone.

You want to lose weight at 170lbs? Down to what? Ethiopian look?

If you are medicated correctly for the hypothyroidism you should as normal as anyone else. BTW steroids can mess up your thyroid dosage.

**redz** · 04-19-2017, 02:27 PM

Why would you want to lose weight at 170lbs?

**MToption2** · 04-19-2017, 02:49 PM

Bf%?

**PT1982** · 04-19-2017, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by cts-v

Hi guys, some quick background.

31 years old – 5’11, 170lbs. Been lifting a few years. Have my lifting and cardio down as well as diet.

Starting my first cycle with 20ml of Andropen – dosed at 1CC every Tuesday and Friday.
Just started yesterday –Will be taking 12.5 aromasin and liver support eod for AI.

12 week cycle – at the end of the cycle run Clomid 50/50/25/25 and Nolva 40/20/20/20 for 4 weeks, no aromasin obviously. Does that seem like too aggressive PCT, and how often do you feel the clomid and nolva should be dosed?

Still trying to find a good source for nolva and aromasin.

All I really got was 5'11" and 170lbs. I'm fine with assisting you, but you say you've beem training for years and this is the result that keeps jumping out at me. That's light even for someone who doesn't train. I'm not bashing you at all, but you need to start this cycle in the diet section and the workout section. You'll get more from it. I would say your cycle will do you good, but I fear 4 weeks after, you'll be 170lbs.