Test prop tboll and anavar bulking cycle

[MMATank]

Hi this is my first post. I'm running my first cycle ever and had a few question in stock. First my stats. I'm 22 years old. 5'8 215lbs bf between 15-18% I don't max for fear of joint injuries have had prior problems. But 315 bench press 8 reps can do sets. Legs are lagging. Deadlift 375 reps of 3. Squat 315 reps of 3. I train 5-6x a week. I don't do cardio. I am frequently sexually active and consider it cardio. I don't count calories but eat faily clean and allot. But During this bulk I've been eating everything in sight. Estamating 4-5k calories. Very high protein. Mostly coming from there.

My cycle consists of Test prop 150mg EOD 10 weeks
Arimidex .5mg EOD
Some pro hormones I've had left over just 2 weeks worth. EpiCat, chosen 1 andro, EpiAndro. Using to kickstart
Tboll 40mg ED 3.5 weeks worth
anavar 60mg ED 4 weeks worth

PCT Clomid 200/200/100/100/100
Priviron 13/13/13/13
nolvadex 40/40/20/20/20
(I bought Pct cheap in bulk and really wanna hit home on keeping gains. Ofcourse keeping callories up)

My goal is to do a LEAN bulk. I'm officially 1 week into my cycle. Gained 6lbs. I may have up'd my calories to soon.

Originally I was gonna stack tboll and anavar together for 4 weeks as soon as I go through these prohoemones. But now I've heard speculations. Should I cut the anavar if I want to bulk? Save it for next time? I want to gain mass but as lean as possible. I was hoping the anavar would keep fat gain in check. Planed on stacking it with tboll to also help with any if at all water retention. Debating if I should hit tboll first then shred everything from the bulk with the anavar near the tail end? I'm trying to lean bulk while having an almost dirty bulk diet. My metabolism is fairly high. I am an endomorph used to be 280lbs I can grow muscles fast and effectively but fat with it if diet isn't somewhat controlled.
What kind of results can I expect if I stack tboll and anavar together 4 weeks while eating lean bulk style. Will the anavar help keeping fat off while I gain muscle mass? Should I put it at the tail end of my cycle instead? The test prop should really start hitting home tho after 4 weeks of tboll and anavar. I want to gain but worried of increasing my Bf to high. I can easily naturally cut after my cycle worst case scenario. What are your opinions. Please don't bring age into this. I'm a serious athlete and I'm gonna do it anyways I know what I'm doing. I only look for advice to get the most out of it. Only plan on cycling once a year

[guitarzan]

The only thing that will keep fat off is diet. You should never run two orals at one time, they are toxic to the liver. You are too young to cycle, your body is still maturing. Regardless, your first cycle should be test only. I would trash the pro hormones.

[guitarzan]

Also, the fact that you have had prior problems with injuries, should be enough reason to wait. I would spend a couple more years or so training naturally before I started AAS

[songdog]

Nuff said!

[Marcus G]

I'm quite staggered...

[DocToxin8]

Since you're allready on and doing it anyways;

1) don't just throw PHs into the mix cause you have em, that's reckless and it's smarter to rather keep them (if they have any function) for later use when you know more.

2) no steroid will keep fat off. Some don't cause water retention and some increase fat burning more than others, but they're still not something to rely on for keeping lean. Diet does that.

3) as stated, first cycle is best to do simple, with test.
If you want more than that then an oral at the last 4 weeks is one way f.ex.
But learn how test works first, and you'll see that test alone will give you great gains.

4) what is this priviron for PCT?
Are you taking about proviron (mesterolone)?
If so, then don't use that for PCT. Don't use any steroids during PCT.

5) you don't know as much as you think and that's important to remember.

[charger69]

Sorry... I gotta say it. You are too young to be cycling. You are stopping your natural production in its prime...
I would guess that you are over 20% bf based on your stats. .... Or you are built like a brick shithouse. 4-5 k calories also makes me believe that you are over 20%. You increase risks when cycling above 15% bf.
I also recommend that you do a cycle of either bulk or cutting, but do not mix them because you will lose alot of what you gained.
Determine your TDEE and add +500 cal for bulking

[geezuschrist]

Why on earth would you use prop and anavar on a bulking cycle

[kelkel]

5) you don't know as much as you think and that's important to remember.

That ^^^. And it's not meant in a negative or condescending way.

Why on earth would you use prop and anavar on a bulking cycle

That too.

[PT1982]

Without reading the op yet, common cutting steroids are listed in the title to bulk..... Ok, now I'm going to have a look see.

*UPDATE- OP has been read and I've nothing to add that hasn't been covered. I'm fuming at the pct protocol and I think you know this is a disaster. Why would anyone ask important questions AFTER they start? Let me fasten my seatbelt after the car crash.

[DocToxin8]

The PCT in itself is another thing;

Why use 200mg clomid, sounds like you're hungry for side effects?
And if the priviron is proviron (and I found no drug called priviron with google) then that's counter productive.
Yes, 13mg (they come as 50mg tabs or 25mg, so I guess 1/2 25mg is the idea)
won't be that supressive, but it won't do much either.
But since it won't really help keep any gains and the reason it's not very supressive is because of its non-estrogen (and mild AR) nature, your better served by the elevated natural test that should happen during PCT IMO.

It seems the OP is gone though.
I don't think this was what he wanted to hear.