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    Question Bloodwork Question? - Pharmacom Pharmamix 2

    Hey guys,

    First time posting and first major cycle - a little over 4 weeks into a Pharmacom Pharmamix 2 Cycle and wanted to check the bloods I got drawn with my Endo to see if the stuff was legit - I'm including my cholesterol because those numbers are way off for me, but everything else came back within range - PSA, CBC+PLT+DIFF, CMP, etc.

    Stats: 30, 5' 9", 179 lbs, 12% BF, Training 5-6x per week
    History: On TRT 3+ years - 165 mg Test Cypionate E5D, .25 mg Anastrazole 2x week, and 250 iu HCG 3 x week which usually lands me at about 850 ng/dl Test
    Results: I've definitely put on about 6 lbs of lean muscle over the past 4-5 weeks but read that it might be worth increasing the mix to ED?

    Here's my current cycle (TRT dosage is currently paused):

    Pharmamix 2 - 1mL EOD
    Trenbolone Acetate 75 mg/ml
    Drostanolone Propionate 100 mg/ml
    Testosterone Phenylpropionate 75 mg/ml

    Anastrazole .25 mg EOD

    HCG 250 iu EOD

    RESULTS:
    TESTOSTERONE 930 ng/dL (264 - 916 ng/dL)
    FREE TESTOSTERONE(DIRECT) 42.3 pg/mL (8.7 - 25.1 pg/mL)
    PROLACTIN 13.5 ng/mL (4.0 - 15.2 ng/mL)
    FSH-SERUM <0.2 mIU/mL (1.5 - 12.4 mIU/mL)
    LH-SERUM 0.1 mIU/mL (1.7 - 8.6 mIU/mL)
    Should recieve Estradiol back tomorrow

    CHOLESTEROL 162 mg/dL (100 - 199 mg/dL)
    TRIGLYCERIDES 84 mg/dL (0 - 149 mg/dL)
    HDL CHOLESTEROL 23 mg/dL (>39 mg/dL)
    VLDL CHOLESTEROL CAL 17 mg/dL (5 - 40 mg/dL)
    LDL CHOLESTEROL 122 mg/dL (0 - 99 mg/dL)

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    be aware that when you get your estradiol results back that they may be 'falsely' shown to be high . As Tren will throw a false positive on some blood tests (it depends on the lab you use, off the top of my head can't remember name, maybe Labcorp, but E always shows up really high when on Tren even though its not high) .

    so don't take that false high reading and decide to up your AI . as it is you barely need an AI with that low of dose of test (and Tren and Mast don't aromatize)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG_NYC View Post
    I've definitely put on about 6 lbs of lean muscle over the past 4-5 weeks but read that it might be worth increasing the mix to ED?
    more than likely the weight you have point on is from Tren 's nutrient partitioning . your holding a lot more glycogen in your muscles right now (you prob look fuller and harder as well)

    if your trying to gain size while using Tren then your better off with a higher dose of Test and higher estrogen (but with more growth comes more possible negative sides). you could just take this mix along with your TRT dose and that will get your Test to more the supra-physiological range and also increase E

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    GearHead, every time you post about Tren makes me want to start using it again. FLM, I cannot wait until the holidays are over. I have learned that never be on cycle during the holidays. I really like Tren so I am pushing myseft harder with Cardio.

    Sorry that this was off topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David LoPan View Post
    GearHead, every time you post about Tren makes me want to start using it again. FLM, I cannot wait until the holidays are over. I have learned that never be on cycle during the holidays. I really like Tren so I am pushing myseft harder with Cardio.

    Sorry that this was off topic.
    running Tren Ace myself right now with Tren Suspension pre-workout on top of it

    what do you plan to stack with your next run of Tren ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    more than likely the weight you have point on is from Tren 's nutrient partitioning . your holding a lot more glycogen in your muscles right now (you prob look fuller and harder as well)

    if your trying to gain size while using Tren then your better off with a higher dose of Test and higher estrogen (but with more growth comes more possible negative sides). you could just take this mix along with your TRT dose and that will get your Test to more the supra-physiological range and also increase E
    Appreciate the insight GH, definitely look/feel harder ... been doing a lot of reading, whats your opinion on test higher than tren vs. tren higher than test? Seems like there's a lot of mixed opinions on this. Equal tren/test might explain my lack of libido - feel great otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David LoPan View Post
    I am on a TRT, currently 200 mg per week, 200 iu HCG , and 25 Aromasin daily. Just got on 10mg of Cialis daily as well.

    Thinking about 400-500 mg Test C and not sure about the Tren yet. Still looking around for US company. Seems like a lot of scams going on during the holidays. It has been a while since I ran a true cycle. Had an injury and then illness so been back at the gym and cooking chicken. Dropped into the 15% body fat range again and feeling great. Working out 5 days a week with 60 mintes of cardio daily.

    What would you suggest? I am always open to what others have to say. I do have T3, Clen, Keto and a few other ancillaries on hand plus a LOT of test C. Just had to count. I have 3 bottles of 10 ml (200mg/ml) and 28 single bottles (200mg) of test C in my closet (all test C is from the pharmacy). I do have 3 other bottles of crashed gear I am about to pitch.
    are you wanting to put on some size and grow ? or are you wanting to lean out a bit and re-comp ?

    Tren works great for both of those, but the trick is this ,

    if you want to grow with Tren then your going to need a lot of Estrogen and water (Tren is too dry to run by itself and grow a lot with). So for a growth phase keep your Test on the higher end, 500+ and don't go crazy with your AI , heck you can even throw some Dbol with it. keep your calories at a very high surplus

    if you want to lean out and harden up with it , then keep your Test at TRT dose and your AI normal. Then run Tren on the moderate side (400mg a week or so , sides depending). Tren loves to eat up calories, and will partition a shit ton of those calories into muscle as muscle glycogen (with zero bloat and water retention) . It will also stimulate your CNS and up your TDEE , so even without going into a calorie deficit the Tren will put you in one anyways , why its so easy to cut with Tren . can throw some Materon in their as well.

    ^ this is why some guys have a hard time growing on Tren . it just stimulates anabolism so much but at same time eats through the calories that its hard to eat enough to grow (but believe me what you do eat is getting partitioned right into muscle).
    Bulking with Tren requires a large calorie surplus, and imo should be stacked with something highly aromatizing like Dbol to help hold onto water (which helps with growth in the long term).


    just some thoughts, depending on what your goal for the cycle is


    NOTE: Keep in mind that when cattle ranchers inject cattle with Tren to get them to grow or hold their size when they are being shipped to slaughter that they also inject them with a shit ton of Estrogen .
    Tren by itself is not that great for growth . Tren plus estrogen and water is
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    Quote Originally Posted by MG_NYC View Post
    Appreciate the insight GH, definitely look/feel harder ... been doing a lot of reading, whats your opinion on test higher than tren vs. tren higher than test? Seems like there's a lot of mixed opinions on this. Equal tren/test might explain my lack of libido - feel great otherwise.
    sure thing .

    LOL , I answered your question in my suggestion to David before knowing the question

    Test high when your using Tren for a bulk . Unless you throw in a third compound thats highly aromatizing like Dbol (then test can stay moderate). e.g.., Test 600, Tren 400 ... or Test 400, Tren 400, Dbol 50mg per day

    Test low when your using Tren for a cut or recomp. Eg., Test 250mg , Tren 400, Masteron 600


    IF your having libido issues on your first run of Tren , then its more then likely your Prolactin sensitive . for guys that are not Prolactin sensitive Tren makes them want to fuck everything in site .
    get some caber or prami . adding more Test will not fix the problem and could make it worse if E2 goes up

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG_NYC View Post
    I'm including my cholesterol because those numbers are way off for me,

    Tren 's notorious for crushing cholesterol values. Particularly HDL. Consider adding in Slo-Niacin @ 500 or 750 mgs as well as more Fish Oil (assume you take it) and NAC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Tren's notorious for crushing cholesterol values. Particularly HDL. Consider adding in Slo-Niacin @ 500 or 750 mgs as well as more Fish Oil (assume you take it) and NAC.
    I am on Fish oil and NAC, have been for years. Slo-Niacin is something I have not added to my old man pill dispenser yet. What dose would you recommend? My LDL/HDL ratio has been off. I do not remember the dose I took of Niacin before but it felt like prickley heat all over my skin.

    I guess I sould read, you answered it already.

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    Read this Dave:

    Using Niacin to Improve Cardiovascular Health | Life Extension

    Little to no sensation from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Read this Dave:

    Using Niacin to Improve Cardiovascular Health | Life Extension

    Little to no sensation from it.
    Thanks, KelKel. You are the man. Do you have a certain company/brand that you personally like?
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    Kel what type of does for a 100 lb woman? Wife has some Chol issues as well.

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    Slo-Niacin is the brand. You can find it on Amazon. The article goes into it a bit toward the bottom, but just start low and work your way up. I started at 500 and went to 750. For her I'd probably start at 250 for a month and then move up. It's a long term thing but can help make dramatic changes to your HDL and LDL.

    Take some time and read this:

    http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...xperiment.html
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    Kel have you thought about radiofrequency ablation for varicose veins in your legs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by David LoPan View Post
    Kel have you thought about radiofrequency ablation for varicose veins in your legs?

    Ha! Problem is that's not really a veiny pic.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    be aware that when you get your estradiol results back that they may be 'falsely' shown to be high . As Tren will throw a false positive on some blood tests (it depends on the lab you use, off the top of my head can't remember name, maybe Labcorp, but E always shows up really high when on Tren even though its not high) .

    so don't take that false high reading and decide to up your AI . as it is you barely need an AI with that low of dose of test (and Tren and Mast don't aromatize)
    Hey so I got the Estradiol back and it's 2.8 - what would you change the Anastrazole to? Probably explains the low libido, right?

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    Just stop your AI totally. You probably just don't need it on your current dose of test. Remember Mast has some minor AI properties due to it being a dht. If you're still on in a month pull it again (Sensitive E2 Assay) and see where you're at. It's how you learn how you respond. Estrogen is always better a little higher than lower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Just stop your AI totally. You probably just don't need it on your current dose of test. Remember Mast has some minor AI properties due to it being a dht. If you're still on in a month pull it again (Sensitive E2 Assay) and see where you're at. It's how you learn how you respond. Estrogen is always better a little higher than lower.
    Thanks for the advice - will do, at the beginning I tried not to use an AI but my nips got crazy sensitive and hurt - is that prolactin or just my body adjusting to the AAS? Should I be running caber?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG_NYC View Post
    Thanks for the advice - will do, at the beginning I tried not to use an AI but my nips got crazy sensitive and hurt - is that prolactin or just my body adjusting to the AAS? Should I be running caber?
    a lot of times its just 'mental' cause your new to cycling and worried about gyno.

    having said that, being your estrogen is low, if you did have nipple tissue issues then its more then likely from progesterone sensitivity (from the Tren ) . Prolactin causes a host of issues, including nipple lactation, but does not cause gyno , progesterone can cause gyno . having both prolactin and progesterone induced gyno can lead to 'lactating man boobs' .

    your dose of Tren is so low that its unlikely . but perhaps you are overly sensitive to progesterone/nandrolone based compounds and if so you would need to just stay away from tren, deca , NPP, Ment, .

    if you are sensitive to prolactin then a dopamine agonist is a must , so caber or prami

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    a lot of times its just 'mental' cause your new to cycling and worried about gyno.

    having said that, being your estrogen is low, if you did have nipple tissue issues then its more then likely from progesterone sensitivity (from the Tren ) . Prolactin causes a host of issues, including nipple lactation, but does not cause gyno , progesterone can cause gyno . having both prolactin and progesterone induced gyno can lead to 'lactating man boobs' .

    your dose of Tren is so low that its unlikely . but perhaps you are overly sensitive to progesterone/nandrolone based compounds and if so you would need to just stay away from tren, deca , NPP, Ment, .

    if you are sensitive to prolactin then a dopamine agonist is a must , so caber or prami
    I know I will YouTube that later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David LoPan View Post
    I know I will YouTube that later.
    No need. Just pm Bizzaro.
    I myself have had a lil man milk coming from my tiny nips.

    Attachment 171049

    I take that back... I be go to fuck... Just PM Obs lol!
    Shit is thick and off color like cholostrum. I haven't tasted it. Yet...
    Just so you all know I was just as suprised as anyone and no, you can't unsee it.
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    Ya'll are gonna shit when I get my bloods done and posted. They are going in the lounge with other funny shit.

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    I sent you a pm with a question

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