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03-01-2018, 01:48 PM #1Banned
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Two cycles per year? (one bulk, one cut)
I'm trying to educate myself as best I can before I take AAS.
It seems that you should run a cycle for a maximum of 12 weeks.
I hear some people say that it is abuse if you run more than one cycle per year. So do the people who run one cycle per year bulk in 2018, cut in 2019, bulk in 2020, cut in 2021, and so on?
Do most of you here run two cycles per year? (bulk in Winter, cut in Summer)? So would a typical year be something like:
Jan - Mar: steroids for bulking
April: pct
May - Jun: natural
Jul - Sept: steroids for cutting
Oct: pct
Nov - Dec: natural
Does that schedule look right?
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03-01-2018, 02:06 PM #2BANNED
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LOL .. come on. I've been on cycle for 7 years straight! ain't nobody getting jacked from running one cycle per year. thats practically still natty
I'm not sure who is following those type of protocols or who said its abuse to do more then one cycle per year, but I'm guessing that person is 5'9" tall and 150 pounds.
but on a serious note, I personally believe for most guys that are going to take bodybuilding seriously and AAS use seriously that its best to stay on year round and not bother with PCT.
however nothing wrong with dabbling in AAS and doing 1 or 2 cycles per year. I'm just saying thats not ideal for gains. and its not the "right" way to do things and doing more then one cycle a year is somehow abuse or the wrong way. to each their own.
to answer your question on bulking and cutting . Imo, you run 2, 3, 10, 20 or however many cycles it takes to bulk up to the size and mass you want to be . it might take you 5 years. you don't go back and fourth from a bulk to a cut just for the hell of it. you need the muscle mass first, you need the large chunk of clay from which to sculpt from
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03-01-2018, 02:36 PM #3
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03-01-2018, 03:39 PM #4Banned
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Are you suggesting a regimen of blast and cruise? Something like:
Jan - Mar: Blast on steroids for bulking
Apr - Jun: Cruise on T alone at about 250mg/wk
Jul - Sep: Blast on steroids for cutting
Oct - Dec: Cruise on T alone at about 250mg/wk
Does that look right?
If I had enough money to get my sperm frozen then I'd consider blast and cruise. In the meantime I'll look at doing either one or two cycles per year. Probably two, one bulk and one cut.
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Its pretty damn hard to zero out your sperm count. You could use clomid and hcg to signicantly bring up sperm count. Is it possible to become sterile from use of aas? Sure. But i think the fertility issues arent as likely as we think. Your odds of ruining your sperm count with just cycles isnt much different than blasting and cruising. This is the chance we take!
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03-01-2018, 05:13 PM #6Productive Member
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What gh is saying is if you're taking bodybuilding seriously as a career. Blast and cruise.... if you just want to look good and save your hpta and possibly health.... - do 1-2 cycles a year with pct
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03-01-2018, 06:11 PM #7
Spermatogenesis can be maintained with HCG : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23260550/
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03-01-2018, 06:31 PM #8
You say you have been thinking about starting AAS. Read the stickies "A successful first cycle" and the other ones. Try a cycle to gain mass and see how it goes first... By the time you have read everything you will have changed your mind a couple times about future plans. By the time you have finished a cycle you'll look back at previous ideas you had and laugh at it.
03-01-2018, 07:03 PM #9There a range of thought on what is "normal" cycle periods and number of cycles per year. You have to to decide what your goals are in life. Cycling 3 times in 2 years is normally for someone who's a serious novice. IMO, anymore than 3 cycles over 2 years require a shift in thought. Any more than that, cycling AAS is no longer a recreational activity but a lifestyle. Having AAS in our system is as "normal" as going to work each morning. The AAS replaces our natural production of Test permanently or nearly permanently. It's a lifestyle choice. I'm not saying it's good or it's bad. Those looking to cycle 2+ cycles per year needs to understand the lifestyle change before they start.
At that point, the quantity of gear will most likely increase as well as the number of compounds used in the cycle. GH has made a lifestyle choice and I respect that. He looks amazing. No one looks like that with 3 cycles in 2 years. I'm just saying, understand what you're getting into before you start. You can always go back to 3 cycles in 2 years but once you experience what it's like to be SUPERMAN, you probably won't.
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03-02-2018, 12:51 AM #12Banned
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How high can you go with your cruising dosage of T before you screw up your cholesterol or botch your kidneys/liver?
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03-02-2018, 10:15 AM #13
What are your stats and what are your goals? I typically do two cycles a year and they are just 8 weeks low dosage Tren A and Test cyp. Both cycle are typically just for cutting. But, I am pushing 57 and my goals are just to look awesome when I am out and about, be healthy, and strong. I also had a very good base naturally from lifting most of my life before I started cycling 5 years ago. I am on HRT and feel that I can still build muscle with just my increased test levels from HRT, proper diet and training.
So post your stats and your goals then maybe people could answer your question better. If you are 30% Boddyfat they will tell you stay away from cycling, if you are 5'10" 137 pound they will tell you get a base, also your age is important.
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03-02-2018, 10:24 AM #14BANNED
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faulty question . your question assumes testosterone will 'botch' your kidneys and liver.
you cruise at whatever dose you need to to maintain your size, and you get blood work done to make sure your health markers stay in check.
for some guys thats 150mg of test per week, for other guys thats 500mg
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03-02-2018, 11:01 AM #15Productive Member
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Yep two cycles a year, 6 month Bulk followed by a 6 month cut, Bulk back to cut then fuck it. Bulking again. #gainz
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03-02-2018, 11:07 AM #17BANNED
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I don't consider 500mg a 'high dose' , let alone a lethal dose.
but I'm open minded and willing to look at evidence that shows that test can kill people all on its own without any other under laying health issues or genetic predispositions
drastically shortening their life span ?? so I'd assume drastic would mean like 20 years off your life.. ok why aren't guys like Dave Palumbo not dead yet at 50 (assuming avg age is 70) when he cruised on higher dosages plus GH for over a decadeLast edited by GearHeaded; 03-02-2018 at 11:10 AM.
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Probably won’t find it, there was some cardiac rehab studies a few years back that looked at using androgens to help heart remodeling after MI or CHF. All the studies showed positive results, decrease in morbidity and mortality, increase in cardiac function but were all cut off because serum cholesterol levels increased. That’s how stupid and reactionary the system is towards evil cholesterol. They were basically saying you might have an increase in arterial plaqueing in 10 years by taking an androgen to help repair your heart. But we would rather have you die in 5 years with a weakened heart but good serum cholesterol numbers.
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03-02-2018, 11:52 AM #19Productive Member
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Drastically may or may not have been the correct word.
I dont think im going to find any data on blasting and cruising bbers. Scientifically it would never be done and they usually die of 'other causes'.
I don't think id make it past 50 if i ran 500mg a week until then....
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03-02-2018, 11:55 AM #20BANNED
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well I'll agree with you in this-- common sense would tell us that over abusing any drug or substance is more then likely going to negatively effect our health (Testosterone , alcohol, heck even too much water)
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