chest curious

**rudykoben** · 04-29-2018, 11:14 AM

hye..im new in this forum.i curious about my chest my lowerchest.not sure gyno,fat,or what issit.i have very small lump under my nipple.left side.

i do test cyp300mg 4weeks.
after 4w,i got itchy nipple n small lump.
then i stop my test cyp300.it is on 7march 2018 last injection.
and.start nolva on 14march2018 until now

i stop taking test cyp immediately when my nipples feel itchy.now im on nolva 40mg ED .will that lump go away?how long to take nolva?

issit normal lower chest like that?(pic) and just add more upperchest workout?

my english is bad.hope understand my thread

**Obs** · 04-29-2018, 12:30 PM

Yes it will go away. Knots be softening in week one and gone in 2-4. You can jump dose back to 20mg ed after a werk most likely but this is a generalization. If you are that sensitive to estrogen you need to start running AI or stack in a compound to help offset the estrogen sides or possibly both.

You are gyno prone and you need to remrmber this moving forward.

**Obs** · 04-29-2018, 12:33 PM

Actually if you got gyno off 300mg per week you best consider running nolva on cycle at 20mg ed or eod.

Thats nuts man

**clarky.** · 04-29-2018, 12:54 PM

This is why you use a AI ON! Cycle, not just have it on hand. There was no need to stop if you knew how to run a cycle right.
Yes 40mg of nolva ed for the first wk then 20mg ed till gone.

**clarky.** · 04-29-2018, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Obs

Actually if you got gyno off 300mg per week you best consider running nolva on cycle at 20mg ed or eod.

Thats nuts man

And there's GH telling ppl not to run a AI on cycle eh. Fucking not on.

**Obs** · 04-29-2018, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by clarky.

And there's GH telling ppl not to run a AI on cycle eh. Fucking not on.

I dont run AI brother.
Ai and ancilliaries are something we all must establish necessity for ourselves.
I dont need it, others do.

**Mr.BB** · 04-29-2018, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Obs

I dont run AI brother.
Ai and ancilliaries are something we all must establish necessity for ourselves.
I dont need it, others do.

But you are not taking steroids for the 1st time.

**Obs** · 04-29-2018, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

But you are not taking steroids for the 1st time.

Agreed.
One thing I liked about what GH pointed out was the way guys are taught from day one to start with AI and effectively crash their estrogen before the compounds even take hold.

He has some very valid points and the board sees him as trying to undo what has been the standard here for years. I have taken much advice from this board and tried many approaches. I dont curse new opinion or attempt to discredit what others believe. I form my opinions based on trial and error and the only way to do that is to try and fail.

The human genetic code is so diverse and so complicated that no one can tell me what meals I digest and gain from best or what compounds I operate best with or without. Doctors are mechanics, they are good at fixing hardware and swapping parts. Once an issue becomes genetic or a disease, most of the time all they can do is treat and hope. There is no cookie cutter for a human being. Trial and error is the only way to truly get good and comfortable at anything.

This topic is the peak of controversy atm. I will refrain from posting on the subject. In fact I recommend others do the same and let the stickies do the talking until we can all learn to be a little more open minded.

Get the gains everyone, do what you gotta do.

**clarky.** · 04-29-2018, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Obs

Agreed.
One thing I liked about what GH pointed out was the way guys are taught from day one to start with AI and effectively crash their estrogen before the compounds even take hold.

He has some very valid points and the board sees him as trying to undo what has been the standard here for years. I have taken much advice from this board and tried many approaches. I dont curse new opinion or attempt to discredit what others believe. I form my opinions based on trial and error and the only way to do that is to try and fail.

The human genetic code is so diverse and so complicated that no one can tell me what meals I digest and gain from best or what compounds I operate best with or without. Doctors are mechanics, they are good at fixing hardware and swapping parts. Once an issue becomes genetic or a disease, most of the time all they can do is treat and hope. There is no cookie cutter for a human being. Trial and error is the only way to truly get good and comfortable at anything.

This topic is the peak of controversy atm. I will refrain from posting on the subject. In fact I recommend others do the same and let the stickies do the talking until we can all learn to be a little more open minded.

Get the gains everyone, do what you gotta do.

Obs, what GH preaches does not fit all just as you stated too. If anyone says different then it is a debate.
We can and will debate here but if anyone asked for studies ect ( i know we don't ALL! Have them ) he goes in the huff as if he is being attacted.

**Obs** · 04-29-2018, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by clarky.

Obs, what GH preaches does not fit all just as you stated too. If anyone says different then it is a debate.
We can and will debate here but if anyone asked for studies ect ( i know we don't ALL! Have them ) he goes in the huff as if he is being attacted.

It becomes that way though clarky.
Guys really got after him pretty bad. Posting pictures of him, accusing him of dealing. Many did want and try to get him gone simply because of his view.

I know the feeling when twenty members are in agreement that I am wrong and they are right.

I hope the situation can simmer down. In the end we are all gonna do what we choose and one guy or 200 guys opinions are just that. Nothing to get bent out of shape about or try to get someone banned.

**clarky.** · 04-29-2018, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Obs

It becomes that way though clarky.
Guys really got after him pretty bad. Posting pictures of him, accusing him of dealing. Many did want and try to get him gone simply because of his view.

I know the feeling when twenty members are in agreement that I am wrong and they are right.

I hope the situation can simmer down. In the end we are all gonna do what we choose and one guy or 200 guys opinions are just that. Nothing to get bent out of shape about or try to get someone banned.

Obs, you have chilled a fucking lot and we see this ok. Just one last word on this mate ok, sometimes ppl go to far with there lies for personal gain. We see and have seen. That is all i will say obs stay cool and keep helping ppl like you are doing.

**Obs** · 04-29-2018, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by clarky.

Obs, you have chilled a fucking lot and we see this ok. Just one last word on this mate ok, sometimes ppl go to far with there lies for personal gain. We see and have seen. That is all i will say obs stay cool and keep helping ppl like you are doing.

Oh I would jave it no other way. I mainly get on here to share stories and have laughs. The drama has got bad lately though. I would rather everyone get along all the time but it doesn't always work like that.

That is why we need to be able to post pictures of naked women and scientifically discuss them. Just no chicks with dicks or personal ametuer porn.

**Obs** · 04-29-2018, 02:54 PM

Speaking of which, I tried getting Sil banned many times before it happened. I feel shitty about it now. I miss the prick and the entertainment he brought. I doubt I ever try to get anyone banned again.

You get to know people on here so well that you even miss enemies when they disappear. I hope the hefty viking is doing well.

**clarky.** · 04-29-2018, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Obs

Oh I would jave it no other way. I mainly get on here to share stories and have laughs. The drama has got bad lately though. I would rather everyone get along all the time but it doesn't always work like that.

That is why we need to be able to post pictures of naked women and scientifically discuss them. Just no chicks with dicks or personal ametuer porn.

Hahaha jast a male section like the woman have . Noted obs.

.

This is a great place to be and yes it does get mad now and then but come on? It is the fucking place to be obs

.

**ScotchGuard02** · 04-29-2018, 05:38 PM

I do think there is room on the board for members to post their thoughts. I prefer gyno prevention versus gyno treatment. In other words, taking AI in cycle versus not. TRT dose is about 150mg/wk for most guys. At that level, there's little chance for gyno. When guys are taking 300mg/wk or more of Test, it's just a matter of time before most of the guys will get gyno. Guys tend to panic when they get gyno and some take dramatic steps, like letro, to rectify the problem. They can crash their E2 just like the guys who start taking AI at the start of a cycle. I recommend that guys start taking an AI 2 to 3 weeks into a cycle and continue on AI until the last Test injection.