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    Lean &Clean Gains Cycle. Fitness Modeling.

    Helloo mateees!!

    I want opinions about my winter cycle for lean gains. To be honest i done test deca dbol etc and the clasic bulkers but i not a fan..( bad skin, bloat, more bf fat gain etc) so i prefer a little less of size but more clean, keeping low bodyfat and goodlooking year round.

    Im thinking about low test & medium tren and an oral.
    Cycke will look like this
    1-10 Test 250mg per week( i dont know if sust or test e)
    1-10 TREN E at 400mg per week.
    1-4 Superdrol 20mg.
    1-12 arimidex 1mg per week monday/thurs

    Im young(22) and i really think i dont need high doses for what i want.. i prefer good diet, 6 days a week training and high volume with a little gear over 1g of tren and YOLO.

    Goal is not gain 12 kg of mass, water and fat, goal is to gain some solid KG of muscle.

    I want to ear what do you guys think.

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    Keep your diet clean man and don’t eat in a huge surplus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisp83TRT View Post
    Keep your diet clean man and don’t eat in a huge surplus.
    yeah man , always 200kcal surplus and 45%prot 35%carbs and rest fats!

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    I am extremely confused. You just posted in your other thread that you had been taking 1mg of your AI/wk and obviously that was too much. Is there a reason you intend to make the exact same mistake twice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    I am extremely confused. You just posted in your other thread that you had been taking 1mg of your AI/wk and obviously that was too much. Is there a reason you intend to make the exact same mistake twice?
    no bro , my problem was when i cut the ai.. i have a strogen rebound (and i know because a little bloat and acne appears) so i prefer keep the strogen level stable at 05mg monday/thursday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazhy View Post
    no bro , my problem was when i cut the ai.. i have a strogen rebound (and i know because a little bloat and acne appears) so i prefer keep the strogen level stable at 05mg monday/thursday.
    The only time I have ever heard of "estrogen rebound" is in PCT and still to this day is seems like complete BS to me. Since you are not in PCT you can rule out this made up thing and ruling out something that is already an illusion should make it easy.

    To quote Kelkel: "Forget estrogen rebound. Internet bullshit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    The only time I have ever heard of "estrogen rebound" is in PCT and still to this day is seems like complete BS to me. Since you are not in PCT you can rule out this made up thing and ruling out something that is already an illusion should make it easy.

    To quote Kelkel: "Forget estrogen rebound. Internet bullshit."
    maybe is a little paranoia for the tren but when i start to feel bad i start bloating too.. i add proviron right now with no adex at all.

    Lets see how i go next weeks of the prep

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    The only time I have ever heard of "estrogen rebound" is in PCT and still to this day is seems like complete BS to me. Since you are not in PCT you can rule out this made up thing and ruling out something that is already an illusion should make it easy.

    To quote Kelkel: "Forget estrogen rebound. Internet bullshit."
    I’m only on TRT doses ( 150mg a week ) and if I take .125 Ana twice a week I get slightly bloated and get more acne. I usually have to bump it up to .25 twice a week to feel better

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    I feel some people are more sensitive to sides the. Others when it comes to having higher test levels

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazhy View Post
    maybe is a little paranoia for the tren but when i start to feel bad i start bloating too.. i add proviron right now with no adex at all.

    Lets see how i go next weeks of the prep
    You're going to self medicate yourself into a corner. You're 22 and your proposed cycle is could be a disaster waiting to happen. Read a couple of posts before you start.

    https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...-young***.html

    https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...-steroids.html
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    It's not rebound.

    It's estrogen trying to stabilize again.

    The acne comes from such and extreme high and low and high again.

    I get my worst acne during pct.

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    Maybe "rebound" isn't the right word but having a sharp estrogen increase is certainly a real thing and causes all the symptoms he's experiencing.

    I'm not trying to get into a debate right now but don't want him thinking that he can just stop taking his Adex without experiencing a sharp increase of estrogen or "rebound" that can really fuck with a man's emotional state. I've experienced it first hand so I know it's not bullshit...with all due respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazhy View Post
    Helloo mateees!!

    I want opinions about my winter cycle for lean gains. To be honest i done test deca dbol etc and the clasic bulkers but i not a fan..( bad skin, bloat, more bf fat gain etc) so i prefer a little less of size but more clean, keeping low bodyfat and goodlooking year round.

    Im thinking about low test & medium tren and an oral.
    Cycke will look like this
    1-10 Test 250mg per week( i dont know if sust or test e)
    1-10 TREN E at 400mg per week.
    1-4 Superdrol 20mg.
    1-12 arimidex 1mg per week monday/thurs

    Im young(22) and i really think i dont need high doses for what i want.. i prefer good diet, 6 days a week training and high volume with a little gear over 1g of tren and YOLO.

    Goal is not gain 12 kg of mass, water and fat, goal is to gain some solid KG of muscle.

    I want to ear what do you guys think.
    I would go longer since you're running enanthate ....At least 12 weeks for enanthate but might as wel go 15 and finish the last bottle. Never understood why people stop at 12 weeks lol...

    FYI to other 22 year olds.... Dazhy is already all in. He's not dabbling and very well knows what the consequences of this lifestyle are. And the kid's put the work in so he has my respect. I will say this though, his sides are more common in developing people. Those mental sides from hormonal imbalances are pronounced in younger, developing guys for sure..(based on my own exp and what I've seen)

    Back to your cycle though....you lost me at "with a little over a gram of tren and YOLO"

    I agree that you don't need high dosages of gear to achieve the results you want. I think stacking compounds properly and getting all the synergistic properties out of each compound in reasonable dosages is a far better approach then blasting grams of gear and dealing with all the side effects of dosing too high.
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    For sure adex is needed. But not at 1mg.

    Yes it will rebound if you still have super level of test running in you.

    But if your letting it wash out, and continue adex during washout, once your test is flat. You don't have enough test to cause a sharp rebound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    I would go longer since you're running enanthate ....At least 12 weeks for enanthate but might as wel go 15 and finish the last bottle. Never understood why people stop at 12 weeks lol...

    FYI to other 22 year olds.... Dazhy is already all in. He's not dabbling and very well knows what the consequences of this lifestyle are. And the kid's put the work in so he has my respect. I will say this though, his sides are more common in developing people. Those mental sides from hormonal imbalances are pronounced in younger, developing guys for sure..(based on my own exp and what I've seen)

    Back to your cycle though....you lost me at "with a little over a gram of tren and YOLO"

    I agree that you don't need high dosages of gear to achieve the results you want. I think stacking compounds properly and getting all the synergistic properties out of each compound in reasonable dosages is a far better approach then blasting grams of gear and dealing with all the side effects of dosing too high.
    I have my bloodwork done in the last two cycles and i go back to the normal test rangue so quickly and lipids , liver etc is all good.
    I know this lifestyle isnt the most healthy lifestyle but i think if you are on a little juice and have a healthy and active life style isnt that bad at all.. i see other guys at my age and are on coke, drugs, driking , rave etc every fkn weekend with no goals in life. i put so much work to achieve my goals and sure worth it.



    Thanks man!! apreciate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02 View Post
    You're going to self medicate yourself into a corner. You're 22 and your proposed cycle is could be a disaster waiting to happen. Read a couple of posts before you start.

    https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...-young***.html

    https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...-steroids.html
    the only difference between you and me is; i need much less time to recover being young and doing good pcts , than older guys who need trt like you probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle View Post
    It's not rebound.

    It's estrogen trying to stabilize again.

    The acne comes from such and extreme high and low and high again.

    I get my worst acne during pct.
    Yeah same! my first cycle was test 500mg weekly with 300 deca and the pct was horrible.

    Need doxycycline at 200mg ed for 3 months and topic retin a to clean and have my baby skin again :P

    hope it helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazhy View Post
    Yeah same! my first cycle was test 500mg weekly with 300 deca and the pct was horrible.

    Need doxycycline at 200mg ed for 3 months and topic retin a to clean and have my baby skin again :P

    hope it helps
    What’s pct
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisp83TRT View Post
    What’s pct
    Typical clomid+nolva protocol dude.

    But i have a rebound and very awful cystic acne appears in my chest/back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazhy View Post
    the only difference between you and me is; i need much less time to recover being young and doing good pcts , than older guys who need trt like you probably.
    You should treat the staff with more respect. They put a lot of time into this board to make it a place for people to get FREE support.

    If you want to bring age into the debate some of the oldest members here have a physique that you wouldn't be able to accomplish in 2 lifetimes let alone one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    You should treat the staff with more respect. They put a lot of time into this board to make it a place for people to get FREE support.

    If you want to bring age into the debate some of the oldest members here have a physique that you wouldn't be able to accomplish in 2 lifetimes let alone one.
    Bro.. i have respect for everyone , but you should know i want the same for me. Being young isnt the same that being immature.
    Maybe you are right and some olders members have an amazing phsyque , thats nice but my goal isnt be a monster mass freak .

    Sorry but is better doing some cycles and pcts properly at my 20's than doing awful cycles , no pcts etc at 40.

    My natty test comeback with clomid to the normal rangue in 4-6 weeks max.
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    I just want to understand the science.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dazhy View Post
    the only difference between you and me is; i need much less time to recover being young and doing good pcts , than older guys who need trt like you probably.
    Please explain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazhy View Post
    Typical clomid+nolva protocol dude.

    But i have a rebound and very awful cystic acne appears in my chest/back
    I was kidding man haha. But thank you for the info , no sarcasm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazhy View Post
    Bro.. i have respect for everyone , but you should know i want the same for me. Being young isnt the same that being immature.
    Maybe you are right and some olders members have an amazing phsyque , thats nice but my goal isnt be a monster mass freak .

    Sorry but is better doing some cycles and pcts properly at my 20's than doing awful cycles , no pcts etc at 40.

    My natty test comeback with clomid to the normal rangue in 4-6 weeks max.
    Eventually it’s safer to go on TRT man... pct meds aren’t the best stuff for you. And eventually doing multiple cycles will take its toll on natural hormone production normal counts or not. Hope all goes well though man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazhy View Post
    Bro.. i have respect for everyone , but you should know i want the same for me. Being young isnt the same that being immature.
    Maybe you are right and some olders members have an amazing phsyque , thats nice but my goal isnt be a monster mass freak .

    Sorry but is better doing some cycles and pcts properly at my 20's than doing awful cycles , no pcts etc at 40.

    My natty test comeback with clomid to the normal rangue in 4-6 weeks max.
    You phrased it in a way that evoked the response but I understand English most likely isn't your first language.

    You are wrong however in that your natural test will recover easier when you are younger. Read the links ScotchGuard posted. At your age your HPTA has not developed fully. The chances of your natural test not coming back is higher than if you were over 25 years old and had a fully developed HPTA. Please, to spare yourself from coming off as very impolite, just read the links ScotchGuard posted and learn.

    If your goal isn't being a mass freak or anything like that, then why take the health risks with AAS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    You phrased it in a way that evoked the response but I understand English most likely isn't your first language.

    You are wrong however in that your natural test will recover easier when you are younger. Read the links ScotchGuard posted. At your age your HPTA has not developed fully. The chances of your natural test not coming back is higher than if you were over 25 years old and had a fully developed HPTA. Please, to spare yourself from coming off as very impolite, just read the links ScotchGuard posted and learn.

    If your goal isn't being a mass freak or anything like that, then why take the health risks with AAS?
    im 5,10 at 84kg with 7% on cycle , i cant stay like this year round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazhy View Post
    im 5,10 at 84kg with 7% on cycle , i cant stay like this year round.
    You can't stay on AAS year round either, do you know how that would impact your health?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    You can't stay on AAS year round either, do you know how that would impact your health?
    yeah but im not on roids year round just do a couple of cycles (8 weeks) for some photoshots and shows if i compete.

    natty i can stay about 80kg 10% dieting and training hard.

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