i hate to ask, but..

[rbm33]

I really hate to see the threads where people are asking what kind of cycle they can run based on what they have on hand yet here I am kinda asking....

I'm 52, 5'9" with 9% bf at around 190 lbs

im looking to run a lean bulk cycle starting in November then take a ten week break or so and then lean out a little before summer.

I was planning on running Test, EQ and possibly Mast cycle, but I do have some Tren on hand and I would mind running that a lower dosage for possibly only 8 weeks or so to avoid to many side effects. I have run Tren several times I the past with minimal side effects.

Does anyone have stacks that they run with these compounds???

thanks in advance

[Capebuffalo]

Hey. Glad you asked and didn’t just throw something together.

How many cycles have you run?
What’s your training experience?
What type of test do you have?
Is the tren e or a?

[Obs]

I really hate to see the threads where people are asking what kind of cycle they can run based on what they have on hand yet here I am kinda asking....

I'm 52, 5'9" with 9% bf at around 190 lbs

im looking to run a lean bulk cycle starting in November then take a ten week break or so and then lean out a little before summer.

I was planning on running Test, EQ and possibly Mast cycle, but I do have some Tren on hand and I would mind running that a lower dosage for possibly only 8 weeks or so to avoid to many side effects. I have run Tren several times I the past with minimal side effects.

Does anyone have stacks that they run with these compounds???

thanks in advance

I need to know the amount you have and what the disage per ml is.
Low dose tren is good stuff it doesnt take shit tons to get you somewhere.

Not a dumb question at all brother

[rbm33]

Thanks for the reply guys.

I have run several cycles in the past 8 years and have worked out my entire adult life.

The Tren I have on hand is Tren A and I have about 2500 mg
I also have 10,000 mg of Test C, 7500 mg of EQ and 6000 mg Mast
im not in a huge hurry to start the cycle so I have time to add to what I currently have.

[Obs]

Thanks for the reply guys.

I have run several cycles in the past 8 years and have worked out my entire adult life.

The Tren I have on hand is Tren A and I have about 2500 mg
I also have 10,000 mg of Test C, 7500 mg of EQ and 6000 mg Mast
im not in a huge hurry to start the cycle so I have time to add to what I currently have.

I would run tren test and mast together.
Equal parts at 750 and save the eq for another cycle.
Not very familiar with eq myself.

In all honesty you could lower tge dosages each and stretch it out longer.

Good luck man

[Capebuffalo]

I would run tren test and mast together.
Equal parts at 750 and save the eq for another cycle.
Not very familiar with eq myself.

In all honesty you could lower tge dosages each and stretch it out longer.

Good luck man

But he doesn’t have enough to run equal parts at 750. And the test c will take 4-6 weeks to kick in.
What if he ran
Test c 750 week1-12
Mast 500 week1-10
Tren a 400 week 5-11

[Obs]

But he doesn’t have enough to run equal parts at 750. And the test c will take 4-6 weeks to kick in.
What if he ran
Test c 750 week1-12
Mast 500 week1-10
Tren a 400 week 5-11

Aw fuck I just saw the tren amount.
Yup cape got this

[charger69]

Aw fuck I just saw the tren amount.
Yup cape got this

Besides not everyone can handle 700 mg of tren. LOL


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[Obs]

Or... Load it all into one vial and pin 3ml per day...

Its called "pot luck"

[GearHeaded]

Or... Load it all into one vial and pin 3ml per day...

Its called "pot luck"

I know of a guy that had his clients do this.. he would have them get 100ml vials and mix their own 'blends' for daily injections for 30 day period. he'd have them label them things like 'androgenic mix #1" , 'anabolic mix #2' ..
I wonder how well things actually mix though and how much of each compound you're getting in each 3ml draw daily . after the 30 days though, you obviously got it all in

[GearHeaded]

Being your wanting to run a 'lean bulk' , and not blow up with lots of size and water (which is great for a traditionally bulk) then you'll want to use your EQ as a 'filler' . also that way you won't have to run much or any AI at all.

so a traditional bulk you'd probably run 750-1000mg of test as a base . WELL with a lean bulk, we are going to get that 1000mg base by using EQ instead. . just think of EQ as test, but its your low estrogenic clean test.
so instead of 1000mg of test , we do

300mg of test
700mg of EQ

this is your new 1 gram base

Then we have the Masteron and Tren, which go awesome together. the Masteron and Tren will add your 'androgenic' base , which you'll need with Test being on the lower end. The Masteon will also work as an 'ancillary' to the cycle as a whole as well as to the Tren, as it blunts both prolactin and estrogen receptors. AND, the masteron will work to lower SHBG which will in turn free up more Testosterone (another reason we don't need a high dose of test in this cycle plan)

so looks like

weeks 1-12 - Test 300mg
weeks 1-12 - EQ 700mg
weeks 6-12 - Tren 400mg
weeks 6-12 - Masteon 500mg

pretty basic . IF you were after more size and not looking for a more dry lean bulk, I'd be running a lot higher dosage of test to get some estrogenic effects with the elevated androgens . but raw size doesn't appear to be your goal.

[rbm33]

Great advice guys, I think ill add a little Tren to my supply and finish off my cycle with a lower dose of tren and Mast.

I did forget to mention that I'm on TRT and run abbot 150mg of test C weekly.

[Obs]

Great advice guys, I think ill add a little Tren to my supply and finish off my cycle with a lower dose of tren and Mast.

I did forget to mention that I'm on TRT and run abbot 150mg of test C weekly.

Btw... Dont ever be hesitant to post. We are all trying to make people feel more comfortable and amoungst brothers here.
The whole mood here has changed lately.

[Couchlockd]

Yes mood changed.

You can literally rock out with you cock and/or Glock out!

[kelkel]

The whole mood here has changed lately.

Hey, I'm always in a good mood....

[Obs]

Hey, I'm always in a good mood....

You always put everyone in a good mood.
You are one of a kind.

[Windex]

Great advice guys, I think ill add a little Tren to my supply and finish off my cycle with a lower dose of tren and Mast.

I did forget to mention that I'm on TRT and run abbot 150mg of test C weekly.

Is your TRT done as 75mg twice per week or all in 1 shot ? Also do you have HCG as part of your TRT?

You may also be a candidate for HGH - something to consider / look in to.

Also since you said you handle Tren well, if it was me I would sell the EQ and buy more Tren or Nandrolone for the future.

[GearHeaded]

Also since you said you handle Tren well, if it was me I would sell the EQ and buy more Tren or Nandrolone for the future.

I'm honestly curious why ? how do you know he doesn't also handle EQ quite well ? EQ and 19 nors are complete opposites . basically selling quality oranges to buy apples instead (just wonder why not both ?)

If you like Test, but you don't like to 'aromatize' a ton so you keep your test dosages on the lower end .. EQ is nothing more then Test that doesn't Aromatize much. that trait makes it a very universally useful compound imo.

and on side note -- wither anyone reading this is a fan of Dave Palumbo or not, he just recently stated last week that if he was to get back on a cycle he would ONLY run TRT dose test and EQ... (I've been promoting using EQ as a 'filler' drug with low TRT doses of test since I joined this board . . . pretty sure it was 'muscle science' was one of the first guys to hear about doing that and gave it a try and liked it).



I think a lot of guys may dismiss EQ. and they never once even tried it , or never ran it properly perhaps

[Obs]

I'm honestly curious why ? how do you know he doesn't also handle EQ quite well ? EQ and 19 nors are complete opposites . basically selling quality oranges to buy apples instead (just wonder why not both ?)

If you like Test, but you don't like to 'aromatize' a ton so you keep your test dosages on the lower end .. EQ is nothing more then Test that doesn't Aromatize much. that trait makes it a very universally useful compound imo.

and on side note -- wither anyone reading this is a fan of Dave Palumbo or not, he just recently stated last week that if he was to get back on a cycle he would ONLY run TRT dose test and EQ... (I've been promoting using EQ as a 'filler' drug with low TRT doses of test since I joined this board . . . pretty sure it was 'muscle science' was one of the first guys to hear about doing that and gave it a try and liked it).



I think a lot of guys may dismiss EQ. and they never once even tried it , or never ran it properly perhaps

I dismissed it without ever trying it.
I may have to eat crow again like I did when I made fun of guys running low dose nolva on cycle.

I suppose I am gonna try it next order.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I dismissed it without ever trying it.
I may have to eat crow again like I did when I made fun of guys running low dose nolva on cycle.

I suppose I am gonna try it next order.

Low dose nolva beats AI everytime imho...

[GearHeaded]

I dismissed it without ever trying it.
I may have to eat crow again like I did when I made fun of guys running low dose nolva on cycle.

I suppose I am gonna try it next order.

from my impression of the way you run gear Obs, you may be better suited running Boldenone Ace (which is just fast acting EQ).. better suited for guys that really blast imo

[Windex]

I'm honestly curious why ? how do you know he doesn't also handle EQ quite well ? EQ and 19 nors are complete opposites . basically selling quality oranges to buy apples instead (just wonder why not both ?)

If you like Test, but you don't like to 'aromatize' a ton so you keep your test dosages on the lower end .. EQ is nothing more then Test that doesn't Aromatize much. that trait makes it a very universally useful compound imo.

and on side note -- wither anyone reading this is a fan of Dave Palumbo or not, he just recently stated last week that if he was to get back on a cycle he would ONLY run TRT dose test and EQ... (I've been promoting using EQ as a 'filler' drug with low TRT doses of test since I joined this board . . . pretty sure it was 'muscle science' was one of the first guys to hear about doing that and gave it a try and liked it).



I think a lot of guys may dismiss EQ. and they never once even tried it , or never ran it properly perhaps

I did say "If it was me..."

Not many people handle Tren well and it's a lot stronger of a compound and in my opinion better for bulking than EQ with 5x the Anabolic Rating. As an analogy, Steak is a better protein source than boneless/skinless Chicken, but not everyone can afford steak, so for those that can, they have reason to be more inclined to choose the better option.

I would rather keep Test low, not have to run an AI, and only worry about managing prolactin with a 19nor (200 Test+Masteron allows for this).

Also, EQ only lasted a decade before being discontinued for human use and being transitioned equestrian applications. I've seen hundreds of horses on EQ and I've seen people in the gym, in the community, and on the board - the differences are a complete joke which is why I don't feel it to be an effective steroid use for humans.

EQ Dosing for horses is 0.13-0.50mg/lb - One of the largest breeds of horses is a Percheron which has an average weight of 1900 lbs. That means a horse, at 8x the weight of a 250 lb monster gym rat is only going to be taking 700mg of EQ per 10-14 days and put , and likely gain 75-100lbs. Most people are advised to take 800-1g of EQ, aka more than an animal which exponentially more muscle mass. Yes, I understand people are not like horses but the goals are the same and the example still applies.

That is why I don't think EQ has a place in bodybuilding, again, which is why I stated "If it was me..."

[GearHeaded]

I did say "If it was me..."

Not many people handle Tren well and it's a lot stronger of a compound and in my opinion better for bulking than EQ with 5x the Anabolic Rating

things on paper do not always equate to real life. is tren 5x more anabolic then EQ, sure. but Halotestin is like 19x more anabolic then Test and 5x more anabolic then Tren .. yet anyone who has used Halo knows, it sucks for bulking. its a way better cutter.

ever ran Tren by itself or with a very low dose of just Test ? Plenty of guys have. They expect to blow up on tren, and after a few weeks they find they are actually losing weight. its not a stand alone bulker at all. its high androgenic rating with zero ability to convert to estrogen keeps it from being able to add on a lot of size (unless properly stacked).

as much as I like Tren . From my own practical experience and what I've seen with other guys, I cannot confidently say that Tren is a bulker and EQ is not. its very context dependent . like I said, run Tren solo and when you start losing weight you may re-consider your opinion on Tren being a bulker.


having said that.. combine Tren with a shit ton of estrogen (example, 500 tren with 50mg of Dbol per day, and 1000mg of test per week with NO AI) and thats when the magic happens and Tren becomes a very good bulking agent. reason why Tren is not given to bulk up cattle WITHOUT ESTROGEN being injected as well.

but as for EQ - its not even in this conversation . its an entirely different compound for entirely different goals and reasons. like I say. apples and oranges here.

That means a horse, at 8x the weight of a 250 lb monster gym rat is only going to be taking 700mg of EQ per 10-14 days and put , and likely gain 75-100lbs

and just a side note-- I never knew EQ was used to try and put 100 pounds of mass on a race horse. seems counter productive to me.

always heard of EQ being used to raise the horses aerobic capacity , increase recovery, performance, and even joint health with collagen synthesis and synovial fluid retention.
adding 100 pounds to a race horse in 10 days would just slow that horse down big time.

but hey. I don't know shit about horses

[GearHeaded]

I don't think EQ has a place in bodybuilding

thats a pretty bold statement

so an IFBB pro (I won't name publicly but you all are familiar) who has been in the game for 25 years, done over 60 shows, placed in the Arnold.. when he says he never ran Tren to get to where he got to (but did run plenty of test, eq, gh, and diuretics) . we should dismiss that being EQ has no place in bodybuilding.

or when top level 'gurus' have EQ in Olympia comepetitors off season and on season cycles , we should dismiss that.

or when guys who have been over 300 pounds and jacked and competed at a high level , like Dave Palumbo, and who have coached pros for years, say that EQ is his favorite anabolic,. we should dismiss that cause EQ really has no place in bodybuilding .

seems like a ludacris statement to say that one of the most popular bodybuilding drugs for decades and decades has no place in bodybuilding, when in fact that is the EXACT place the drug is primarily used !!

[GearHeaded]

EQ Dosing for horses is 0.13-0.50mg/lb - One of the largest breeds of horses is a Percheron which has an average weight of 1900 lbs. That means a horse, at 8x the weight of a 250 lb monster gym rat is only going to be taking 700mg of EQ per 10-14 days and put , and likely gain 75-100lbs.

so by your math, a 1900 pound horse can put on about 4% his body weight in mass by taking EQ (which to you seems like a big deal and that EQ is great for mass for horses but not humans).. but a man can't put on 4% his body weight in mass by taking EQ.
how much do you weigh ? lets just say 180 pounds .. so you don't think EQ can help you put on only 7 pounds (ie, thats 4% just like the horse)

1900 pound horse takes eq and gains 75 pounds like you said ,,, thats 4% mass increase
180 pound man takes eq and gains 7 pounds ... thats a 4% mass increase

hmm.. seems very reasonable to me. so not sure why you say horses respond to EQ but humans don't

[MuscleScience]

I'm honestly curious why ? how do you know he doesn't also handle EQ quite well ? EQ and 19 nors are complete opposites . basically selling quality oranges to buy apples instead (just wonder why not both ?)

If you like Test, but you don't like to 'aromatize' a ton so you keep your test dosages on the lower end .. EQ is nothing more then Test that doesn't Aromatize much. that trait makes it a very universally useful compound imo.

and on side note -- wither anyone reading this is a fan of Dave Palumbo or not, he just recently stated last week that if he was to get back on a cycle he would ONLY run TRT dose test and EQ... (I've been promoting using EQ as a 'filler' drug with low TRT doses of test since I joined this board . . . pretty sure it was 'muscle science' was one of the first guys to hear about doing that and gave it a try and liked it).



I think a lot of guys may dismiss EQ. and they never once even tried it , or never ran it properly perhaps

I pretty much believe in running low dosages of T if combining with other compounds. Competitive inhibition for binding sites is kinda my thinking on it. I probably would use EQ again if someone gave it to me, which is what ended up happening. I did get veiny as Fuck and it really complemented my Keto diet at the time.

[GearHeaded]

and for those that are not aware .. EQ was developed by taking Dianabol and making it into an injectable (chemically on paper they are the exact same drug minus the 17 alkalation).

NO injectable Dbol is not EQ lol . injectable Dbol is pure Dbol, 17 alkalated and all in an injectible solution .. EQ is Dbol chemically altered to remove the 17 alkalation (which results in EQ not being very estrogenic).. and Dbol was originally made to be a type of oral test . when EQ came about shortly after, they realized the EQ was basically a non estrogenic form of test to a certain degree

[rbm33]

Is your TRT done as 75mg twice per week or all in 1 shot ? Also do you have HCG as part of your TRT?

You may also be a candidate for HGH - something to consider / look in to.

Also since you said you handle Tren well, if it was me I would sell the EQ and buy more Tren or Nandrolone for the future.

I do the TRT shots at 75mg twice per week. I was running HGH for about a year but I stopped in June. I was doing two injections daily totaling 3 IU. at the time I didn't think I was getting much gain from it but looking back now I think I should probably pick that back up.

currently I'm not running HCG, I have in the past but I have to keep my dosages pretty low. I take 15 mg Mobic daily for inflammation and oddly enough the HCG causes me to have some side effects from the Mobic.

[Windex]

I do the TRT shots at 75mg twice per week. I was running HGH for about a year but I stopped in June. I was doing two injections daily totaling 3 IU. at the time I didn't think I was getting much gain from it but looking back now I think I should probably pick that back up.

currently I'm not running HCG, I have in the past but I have to keep my dosages pretty low. I take 15 mg Mobic daily for inflammation and oddly enough the HCG causes me to have some side effects from the Mobic.

Are you taking it only for inflammation or do you have arthritis as well? If it's only for inflammation you have tons of alternatives available.

[rbm33]

Are you taking it only for inflammation or do you have arthritis as well? If it's only for inflammation you have tons of alternatives available.

Just inflammation which causes me to have achy joints. maybe its time I looked at some alternatives.

[Capebuffalo]

I myself have had zero results with EQ. But I have a friend that was 220ish lbs 8 yrs ago. He is 280 now and he swears by EQ. Maybe some people respond better to it than others. I don’t know. I do know there’s usually no in between with EQ. You love it or you hate it.

[Couchlockd]

[Obs]

Before GH comes in a tears me apart with science...

His eq mix with trt test as a base is a cool idea.
Less aromatization... Thats smart as fuck.

All the guys I know that use it as a bulker and are ripped af use it at 700 and above.
I have paid no attention to it as the indoctrination I recieved early on from this site was that it was useless.

That being said there has to be some reason guys that are 240lb and up, at single digit bodyfat, and competing actively.... Use it.

[GearHeaded]

Before GH comes in a tears me apart with science...

His eq mix with trt test as a base is a cool idea.
Less aromatization... Thats smart as fuck.

All the guys I know that use it as a bulker and are ripped af use it at 700 and above.
I have paid no attention to it as the indoctrination I recieved early on from this site was that it was useless.

That being said there has to be some reason guys that are 240lb and up, at single digit bodyfat, and competing actively.... Use it.

just to clarify the concept real quick for guys who may be browsing over this thread..

1000mg of Test is a general rule for a 'foundation' or base for a bulk cycle .. once you have your 1g test base, you build the rest of the cycle around this base. you add in your anadrol, dbol, deca, etc.. to this base.

for a 'lean bulk' , OR for guys that are estrogen sensitive or simply want to keep aromatization down. we create a new 1g base using EQ (because EQ is really very close to just being Test without the estrogen and dht aspect).
so to get our 1000mg.
700mg EQ
300mg Test

right there is our '1 gram of test' base that we can now build our cycle around... don't think of it as running test + EQ . think of it as your 'clean test' base. now build your cycle around this new base.

works great for a lot of guys, especially guys wanting to keep aromatization down.


This is a whole different way of using a compound in a cycle . thats why I said 'tren vs eq' is apples and oranges.. we are talking two totally different uses and there is zero comparison

[Obs]

just to clarify the concept real quick for guys who may be browsing over this thread..

1000mg of Test is a general rule for a 'foundation' or base for a bulk cycle .. once you have your 1g test base, you build the rest of the cycle around this base. you add in your anadrol, dbol, deca, etc.. to this base.

for a 'lean bulk' , OR for guys that are estrogen sensitive or simply want to keep aromatization down. we create a new 1g base using EQ (because EQ is really very close to just being Test without the estrogen and dht aspect).
so to get our 1000mg.
700mg EQ
300mg Test

right there is our '1 gram of test' base that we can now build our cycle around... don't think of it as running test + EQ . think of it as your 'clean test' base. now build your cycle around this new base.

works great for a lot of guys, especially guys wanting to keep aromatization down.


This is a whole different way of using a compound in a cycle . thats why I said 'tren vs eq' is apples and oranges.. we are talking two totally different uses and there is zero comparison

This might be right up couchs alley. He aromatizes hard and might benefit.

I spent a lot of time trashing EQ.
If you see me do it again though I will have tried it and not liked it. I should have waited to trash it until I had tried it.

[GearHeaded]

This might be right up couchs alley. He aromatizes hard and might benefit. .

yes I agree.. pretty sure couch is going to be doing something similar his next cycle but using Primobolan at high dosage as a non estrgeonic base to complement the test. and yeah, primo is another one of those often talked about compounds being weak

[Obs]

yes I agree.. pretty sure couch is going to be doing something similar his next cycle but using Primobolan at high dosage as a non estrgeonic base to complement the test. and yeah, primo is another one of those often talked about compounds being weak

As far as bulkers go for me a ling ass cycle with test and deca and dbol does me well.

On tren I dont bulk. High or low it doesnt matter I just add lean tissue very slowly. I gotta try eq.

I am moving away from winny and mast for a while after this run or I will be bald. Gf is noticing it now and said "it got soo thin lately!" Welll shit sweetie thanks!

I am always looking for the ultimate bulk. I wont get fat. Cant get fat. Just want muscle in bulk quantities

[Couchlockd]

yes I agree.. pretty sure couch is going to be doing something similar his next cycle but using Primobolan at high dosage as a non estrgeonic base to complement the test. and yeah, primo is another one of those often talked about compounds being weak

Yes I am. Thanks gh.

I was very intrigued by the eq being non aromizing test and no dht conversion

[guitarzan]

While we on EQ, is it true it's bad about thickening blood? I'm a little gun shy since my blood clot

[GearHeaded]

While we on EQ, is it true it's bad about thickening blood? I'm a little gun shy since my blood clot

this is more of a 'rumor' thats commonly repeated then it is actually evidence based. ALL steroids are going to raise your hematocrit to some degree (thats a common performance benefit that all steroids have in common, similar to increased protein synthesis that all steroids have in common). But there is nothing unique about EQ in these regards. its not going to thicken your blood any more then Deca would, and certainly not as much as Tren would, and definitely definitely not as much as Anadrol.

Aandrol is specifically used to treat anemia. not sure why its not got the reputation of thickening blood instead of EQ.

but again, for most people, and bodybuilders especially, the 'thickening of the blood' is considered a positive benefit . but in your situation certainly is not the ideal