i hate to ask, but..

[Couchlockd]

[Obs]

Just gonna add to the argument that horses are sensitive to medicine. Their digestive and metabolic system is not like a humans at all.

They arealso bigpussys about electricity. You can knock some unconscious with a hotshot

Eq is to be taken at 700mg and above for desireable results. Dont care what a book says. I know a lotta big motherfuggers that use it.

[Charlie67]

Low dose nolva beats AI everytime imho...

I tried this, my E got up to 87 without an AI.

300 TestCyp/400 Mast per wk, 10mg nolva daily. With SENSITIVE estrodiol of 87 and total testosterone of ‘only’ 1275. How high is too high before you use an AI?

[Couchlockd]

I tried this, my E got up to 87 without an AI.

300 TestCyp/400 Mast per wk, 10mg nolva daily. With SENSITIVE estrodiol of 87 and total testosterone of ‘only’ 1275. How high is too high before you use an AI?

There gotta be a perfect ratio.

35e to 700 t?

And just go up from there?

70e 1400t?

I'm.just grabbing at straws.

But I'd assume there is a perfect ratio.

[Obs]

Before GH comes in a tears me apart with science...

His eq mix with trt test as a base is a cool idea.
Less aromatization... Thats smart as fuck.

All the guys I know that use it as a bulker and are ripped af use it at 700 and above.
I have paid no attention to it as the indoctrination I recieved early on from this site was that it was useless.

That being said there has to be some reason guys that are 240lb and up, at single digit bodyfat, and competing actively.... Use it.

[GearHeaded]

I tried this, my E got up to 87 without an AI.

300 TestCyp/400 Mast per wk, 10mg nolva daily. With SENSITIVE estrodiol of 87 and total testosterone of ‘only’ 1275. How high is too high before you use an AI?

its really person dependent.. with the Masteon in there plus the Nolva. I'm guessing you had very little negative estrogen sides even though blood levels were high (the estrogen receptors in the negative areas we want blocked, like breast tissue and fat tissue, were bound up and estrogen had no effect on them .. thats a good thing. where as the estrogen receptors we don't want blocked, like in the liver and muscle tissue, were benefiting from the elevated e).. however that number is pretty high on only 300mg of test. do you know what your 'free test' numbers were on that test

[GearHeaded]

Before GH comes in a tears me apart with science...

His eq mix with trt test as a base is a cool idea.
Less aromatization... Thats smart as fuck.

All the guys I know that use it as a bulker and are ripped af use it at 700 and above.
I have paid no attention to it as the indoctrination I recieved early on from this site was that it was useless.

That being said there has to be some reason guys that are 240lb and up, at single digit bodyfat, and competing actively.... Use it.

just to clarify the concept real quick for guys who may be browsing over this thread..

1000mg of Test is a general rule for a 'foundation' or base for a bulk cycle .. once you have your 1g test base, you build the rest of the cycle around this base. you add in your anadrol , dbol , deca , etc.. to this base.

for a 'lean bulk' , OR for guys that are estrogen sensitive or simply want to keep aromatization down. we create a new 1g base using EQ (because EQ is really very close to just being Test without the estrogen and dht aspect).
so to get our 1000mg.
700mg EQ
300mg Test

right there is our '1 gram of test' base that we can now build our cycle around... don't think of it as running test + EQ . think of it as your 'clean test' base. now build your cycle around this new base.

works great for a lot of guys, especially guys wanting to keep aromatization down.


This is a whole different way of using a compound in a cycle . thats why I said 'tren vs eq' is apples and oranges.. we are talking two totally different uses and there is zero comparison

[Obs]

just to clarify the concept real quick for guys who may be browsing over this thread..

1000mg of Test is a general rule for a 'foundation' or base for a bulk cycle .. once you have your 1g test base, you build the rest of the cycle around this base. you add in your anadrol , dbol , deca , etc.. to this base.

for a 'lean bulk' , OR for guys that are estrogen sensitive or simply want to keep aromatization down. we create a new 1g base using EQ (because EQ is really very close to just being Test without the estrogen and dht aspect).
so to get our 1000mg.
700mg EQ
300mg Test

right there is our '1 gram of test' base that we can now build our cycle around... don't think of it as running test + EQ . think of it as your 'clean test' base. now build your cycle around this new base.

works great for a lot of guys, especially guys wanting to keep aromatization down.


This is a whole different way of using a compound in a cycle . thats why I said 'tren vs eq' is apples and oranges.. we are talking two totally different uses and there is zero comparison

This might be right up couchs alley. He aromatizes hard and might benefit.

I spent a lot of time trashing EQ.
If you see me do it again though I will have tried it and not liked it. I should have waited to trash it until I had tried it.

[GearHeaded]

This might be right up couchs alley. He aromatizes hard and might benefit. .

yes I agree.. pretty sure couch is going to be doing something similar his next cycle but using Primobolan at high dosage as a non estrgeonic base to complement the test. and yeah, primo is another one of those often talked about compounds being weak

[Charlie67]

its really person dependent.. with the Masteon in there plus the Nolva. I'm guessing you had very little negative estrogen sides even though blood levels were high .....

Yeah that's true, I was shocked at the number, but I really wasn't feeling bad at all. Admittedly, I've always kept my E in check, so I'm not sure I really know what high E feels like.

..... however that number is pretty high on only 300mg of test. do you know what your 'free test' numbers were on that test

Unfortunately no, I only got Total test that time, no SHBG or anything. How would knowing my 'free test' be helpful? I have 'free test' values from random other cycles, but I don't get it every time.

[Obs]

yes I agree.. pretty sure couch is going to be doing something similar his next cycle but using Primobolan at high dosage as a non estrgeonic base to complement the test. and yeah, primo is another one of those often talked about compounds being weak

As far as bulkers go for me a ling ass cycle with test and deca and dbol does me well.

On tren I dont bulk. High or low it doesnt matter I just add lean tissue very slowly. I gotta try eq.

I am moving away from winny and mast for a while after this run or I will be bald. Gf is noticing it now and said "it got soo thin lately!" Welll shit sweetie thanks!

I am always looking for the ultimate bulk. I wont get fat. Cant get fat. Just want muscle in bulk quantities

[Couchlockd]

yes I agree.. pretty sure couch is going to be doing something similar his next cycle but using Primobolan at high dosage as a non estrgeonic base to complement the test. and yeah, primo is another one of those often talked about compounds being weak

Yes I am. Thanks gh.

I was very intrigued by the eq being non aromizing test and no dht conversion

[GearHeaded]

Yeah that's true, I was shocked at the number, but I really wasn't feeling bad at all. Admittedly, I've always kept my E in check, so I'm not sure I really know what high E feels like.

thats what I like about SERMS ('selective' estrogen receptor modulators) . its 'selectively' blocking estrogen effects and not all E effects nor lowering blood levels of E like an AI would . lots of benefits here. one being the more E you have in the blood stream available to pass through the liver , the more the liver is able to produce HDL cholesterol (one reason why an AI lowers 'good' cholesterol and a serm does not).
and also the elevated IGF levels and anabolic effects higher blood levels of E have on muscle tissue.
so you were getting benefits out of the higher E levels, while blocking some of the negative traits . thats probably why you felt just fine

How would knowing my 'free test' be helpful? I have 'free test' values form random other cycles, but I don't get it every time.

I was curious how much the Masteron may of been playing a part here, as it lowers SHBG and will then help raise free test levels. basically, Masteron can turn your 300mg of test your running and make it seem to work more like your running 400-500mg

[guitarzan]

While we on EQ, is it true it's bad about thickening blood? I'm a little gun shy since my blood clot

[almostgone]

I want to try things like that

Bold ace
Test ace
TPP
primo tabs.

Just never touch bold prop. If you see it available somewhere, kick the seller in the nads.

[GearHeaded]

While we on EQ, is it true it's bad about thickening blood? I'm a little gun shy since my blood clot

this is more of a 'rumor' thats commonly repeated then it is actually evidence based. ALL steroids are going to raise your hematocrit to some degree (thats a common performance benefit that all steroids have in common, similar to increased protein synthesis that all steroids have in common). But there is nothing unique about EQ in these regards. its not going to thicken your blood any more then Deca would, and certainly not as much as Tren would, and definitely definitely not as much as Anadrol .

Aandrol is specifically used to treat anemia. not sure why its not got the reputation of thickening blood instead of EQ.

but again, for most people, and bodybuilders especially, the 'thickening of the blood' is considered a positive benefit . but in your situation certainly is not the ideal

[Couchlockd]

this is more of a 'rumor' thats commonly repeated then it is actually evidence based. ALL steroids are going to raise your hematocrit to some degree (thats a common performance benefit that all steroids have in common, similar to increased protein synthesis that all steroids have in common). But there is nothing unique about EQ in these regards. its not going to thicken your blood any more then Deca would, and certainly not as much as Tren would, and definitely definitely not as much as Anadrol .

Aandrol is specifically used to treat anemia. not sure why its not got the reputation of thickening blood instead of EQ.

but again, for most people, and bodybuilders especially, the 'thickening of the blood' is considered a positive benefit . but in your situation certainly is not the ideal

You know what g h the profile of EQ on this site homepage States a few times that it raises red blood cells more than other steroids that's probably where the confusion comes from with us here

Like that's the thing that kept me away from trying EQ I'm sitting there thinking I don't want super thick blood, it's going to be thick enough already

in fact the profile says that's one of the only performance-enhancing benefits of eq.

Where the hell is Bold ace found?

[MuscleScience]

I'm honestly curious why ? how do you know he doesn't also handle EQ quite well ? EQ and 19 nors are complete opposites . basically selling quality oranges to buy apples instead (just wonder why not both ?)

If you like Test, but you don't like to 'aromatize' a ton so you keep your test dosages on the lower end .. EQ is nothing more then Test that doesn't Aromatize much. that trait makes it a very universally useful compound imo.

and on side note -- wither anyone reading this is a fan of Dave Palumbo or not, he just recently stated last week that if he was to get back on a cycle he would ONLY run TRT dose test and EQ... (I've been promoting using EQ as a 'filler' drug with low TRT doses of test since I joined this board . . . pretty sure it was 'muscle science' was one of the first guys to hear about doing that and gave it a try and liked it).



I think a lot of guys may dismiss EQ. and they never once even tried it , or never ran it properly perhaps

I pretty much believe in running low dosages of T if combining with other compounds. Competitive inhibition for binding sites is kinda my thinking on it. I probably would use EQ again if someone gave it to me, which is what ended up happening. I did get veiny as Fuck and it really complemented my Keto diet at the time.

[GearHeaded]

You know what g h the profile of EQ on this site homepage States a few times that it raises red blood cells more than other steroids that's probably where the confusion comes from with us here

Like that's the thing that kept me away from trying EQ I'm sitting there thinking I don't want super thick blood, it's going to be thick enough already

in fact the profile says that's one of the only performance-enhancing benefits of eq.

Where the hell is Bold ace found?

yes I'm aware.. its popular on lots of online profiles. I've seen it there listed for years. but when you get into more in depth profiles then the real basic ones online, there are questions regarding this particular aspect of EQ. it hasn't played out that way on blood work compared to other steroids. I'll have to go back to my notes and check , but believe it was Stan Effording, or perhaps Willian Lewylns book on Anaboics, or something along those lines that brought this up.
For me personally . have not noticed a difference at all running EQ in regards to my hemoglobin levels. its always like 17.3 wither I'm running Deca , Tren , Eq or whatever compound . seems to make no difference. (I never checked on Andarol though)

[GearHeaded]

Where the hell is Bold ace found?

I've not checked in a long time . but last time I believe it was the 'panda' guy from the other side of the world that had some ready to ship