8 weeks after PCT - Low Test

**TestoSuper** · 10-13-2018, 09:40 AM

Hello guys,

I have done bloodwork this morning and the value of total testosterone is very low (under minimum), now are 8 weeks from the end of PCT (after Test E Tren A cycle).
This was the first time I've used Tren.
I onestly don't explain this myself, because I've always done PCT after every cycle I did and respected time off always after pct before start another cycle.

I have only 6 cycles behind in total with low/moderate dosages and I've ever used HCG during every cycle.
I've done PCT always with clomid (no nolvadex ) but I've always recover well.
I've always done one cycle a year only, except the last two year in which I did 2 cycles a year.

What do you recommend me? I'm not afraid of TRT, but I find it's absurd that my axis is compromised...

what can I do? do I have to start a second PCT right away?
if yes, how can I structure a good powerful PCT?

**Bio-Active** · 10-13-2018, 09:57 AM

Time on plus pct equals time off. I would retest in another 4-6 weeks to see what your true recovery is

**TestoSuper** · 10-13-2018, 10:44 AM

ok, but I find very strange that after 8 weeks from the end of the PCT the value is still below the minimum level..
I'm a little worried..

**GearHeaded** · 10-13-2018, 11:08 AM

was anything else off on your blood work , like perhaps elevated prolactin. can you post your bloods

**Couchlockd** · 10-13-2018, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by TestoSuper

ok, but I find very strange that after 8 weeks from the end of the PCT the value is still below the minimum level..
I'm a little worried..

Really you find it absurd that after 6 Cycles with the last one being with Tren that you didn't bounce back?

I think it's a little absurd to expect perfect recovery every single time especially after Tren

**GearHeaded** · 10-13-2018, 11:09 AM

some guys recover just fine from most cycle that they do. then they mess with tren and deca for a long cycle and don't recover very well. with these compounds there are more factors that go into shutting down HPTA , elevated prolactin being one

**TestoSuper** · 10-13-2018, 11:57 AM

yes in the past I had a similar case after deca cycle (I had very low testosterone and very high prolactin at the same time) .. but I had not used cabergoline during cycle ..
This time I used cabergoline 1 mg/week during cycle .... but probably as you say the prolactin is equally high now.
Next week I will do bloodwork for prolactin.

**Back In Black** · 10-13-2018, 11:58 AM

6 cycles - 4 with deca and 1 with tren .

OP have you ever had bloodwork done before/after any other cycle? Maybe your levels have been dropping every cycle and after 6 cycle they have dropped to where they are no so it’s only noticeable now.

Edit - just read your thread from September 2016 where you were also complains of severely low test 8 months after your previous cycle.

**TestoSuper** · 10-13-2018, 12:02 PM

yes sure, i've done bloodwork before and after every cycle in the past... and my value are never been so low after several weeks post PCT (except one time after deca cycle due at elevate prolactin)

**TestoSuper** · 10-13-2018, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

6 cycles - 4 with deca and 1 with tren .

OP have you ever had bloodwork done before/after any other cycle? Maybe your levels have been dropping every cycle and after 6 cycle they have dropped to where they are no so it’s only noticeable now.

Edit - just read your thread from September 2016 where you were also complains of severely low test 8 months after your previous cycle.

yes exactly, I had the same situation after a deca cycle in 2016.. but I had not taken cabaser during cycle...
last tren cycle I took cabaser during cycle instead! is this strange..

**Couchlockd** · 10-13-2018, 01:04 PM

Decca and Tren both being extremely hard on hpta, it's par for the course.

You had to expect trt sooner or later.

6 Cycles over possibly 4-6 years is a lot of monkeying with hpta.

**Obs** · 10-13-2018, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

some guys recover just fine from most cycle that they do. then they mess with tren and deca for a long cycle and don't recover very well. with these compounds there are more factors that go into shutting down HPTA , elevated prolactin being one

Right here!
I did great till tren then I didn't come back on and made the change to trt.
Looking back at my goals I should have done it from the start.

Op I recommed posting bloods. Watch yourself too, low test made me come unhinged. I was ready to throw in the towel and nearly wrecked everything.

Good luck

**TestoSuper** · 10-14-2018, 03:44 AM

Ok,
tomorrow morning I will do bloodwork again for all values, prolactin included, and I will post the results.
But my simple question is: may be Prolactin value high although I have used cabaser during Tren cycle? (dosage 0.5 mg/week)
I believed with cabaser it could be kept under control..

**TestoSuper** · 10-14-2018, 03:46 AM

or maybe there are other factors / values that Tren may have busted in addition to Prolactin?

**Windex** · 10-14-2018, 08:09 AM

If you never did bloodwork while on Tren or Deca in peak cycle then you have no idea if 0.5mg was enough. It's no different then when people use an AI. Just because 0.50mg twice per week is the baseline doesn't mean people require less or more everyone is different.

Also if you weren't using pharma caber you could have been using fake or under dosed potentially.

Regardless, You can't expect to run Deca and Tren multiple times and not end up like this. It doesn't matter how long off you take. It doesn't matter how good your PCT is. It doesn't matter how "good" you might feel. Deca and Tren will always lead to TRT eventually.

**AR's King Silabolin** · 10-14-2018, 09:53 AM

U havent recovered because i guess your pct was to ligth for tren .

Clomid 100 100 50 50
Nolva 40 40 10 10 10
Is min.

I agree with GH. Elevated prolactin from tren degrades pct significantly. I guess u didnt run a DA.

Solution; Meassure your prolactin. Lower if elevated. Through drugs or a nazi prolactinfriendly diett.

If another on time a year thing, do another fullblood pct when prolactin is in order.
If another run soon, cruise with trtdose, fix prolactin and then do your cyckle. If 19nors do an extended 5 weeks pct and remember caber.

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**The God Himself** · 10-14-2018, 10:30 AM

Basically you screwed your HPTA. It may be possible for you to recover, but you are driving through the road to TRT, accept that truth if you decide to cycle once more.

**TestoSuper** · 10-14-2018, 10:57 AM

Ok. tomorrow I will do bloodwork again, if prolactin is high, I will take 4 weeks on cabaser pharma to lower it.

After that, I will do a complete PCT again, with clomid and nolva for 5 weeks.

I will think about next cycle later, when my values are in order.

My intention is to do TRT sooner or later (I think every man should get it at an age regardless of cycles etc.), but I would prefer if possible to wait a little longer.

**AR's King Silabolin** · 10-14-2018, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by TestoSuper

Ok. tomorrow I will do bloodwork again, if prolactin is high, I will take 4 weeks on cabaser pharma to lower it.

After that, I will do a complete PCT again, with clomid and nolva for 5 weeks.

I will think about next cycle later, when my values are in order.

My intention is to do TRT sooner or later (I think every man should get it at an age regardless of cycles etc.), but I would prefer if possible to wait a little longer.

Smart move.

And no drama. Trt rules. Ive been on it for 18 month and its perfect. Never more pct.
Ask for Nebido. 10 weeks shots. Will give ya high 600s at least.

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**TestoSuper** · 10-14-2018, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by AR's Dr.Silabolin

Smart move.

And no drama. Trt rules. Ive been on it for 18 month and its perfect. Never more pct.
Ask for Nebido. 10 weeks shots. Will give ya high 600s at least.

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weel. I will evaluate it.

**TestoSuper** · 10-17-2018, 07:32 AM

Ok guys,
bloodworks are ready:

P -Omocisteine 5 ref. < 15

LH 4.0 ref. 1.7 - 8.6

FSH 3.5 ref. 1.5 - 12.4

E2 Estradiol 11* ref. 26 - 61 (last year I had < 5)

DHEA-S 205 ref. 80 - 560

Delta4 androstenedione 0.6 ref. 0.6 - 3.1

S- Prolactin (PRL) 12.93 ref. 4.04 - 15.20

S- Testosterone 2.58 ref. 2.49 - 8.36 (3 days ago I had 1.98!!!)

TSH 2.05 ref. 0.27 - 4.20

I'm a little surprised... LH and FSH in the range, Prolactin in the range (I was convinced very high), very low tesosterone but up compared with last week ...

Suggestions? Do I have to wait any longer? or do I have to do another pct?

**Vinnie214** · 10-17-2018, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by AR's Dr.Silabolin

U havent recovered because i guess your pct was to ligth for tren .

Clomid 100 100 50 50
Nolva 40 40 10 10 10
Is min.

I agree with GH. Elevated prolactin from tren degrades pct significantly. I guess u didnt run a DA.

Solution; Meassure your prolactin. Lower if elevated. Through drugs or a nazi prolactinfriendly diett.

If another on time a year thing, do another fullblood pct when prolactin is in order.
If another run soon, cruise with trtdose, fix prolactin and then do your cyckle. If 19nors do an extended 5 weeks pct and remember caber.

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Sorry to barge in.. I'd just like to ask, I thought it was 100/50/50/50 and 40/20/20/20 for PCT?
Or is it 100/100/50/50 40/40/20/20 only after using Tren?

**Test Monsterone** · 10-19-2018, 02:28 PM

I really don’t see a point to cycling steroids . When you get off, your testosterone will never bounce back to where it was before you started. Let’s say it drops 50 ng/dL every cycle. If you started at 800 ng/dL, it would go down to 500 by the end of the 6th cycle. What’s the point?

I find it very foolish and shortsighted to cycle steroids - and I’m sure there are a lot of veterans on here who would disagree, but I really can’t see the point. You’ll lose what you gained and feel like dog shit for months.