Masteron as an anti-oestrogen agent - NO

[MS_PHARM]

No my estrogen levels are much higher than one pregnant woman.

Since you seem so interested I fuck three times a day. No bloat, no retained water from estrogen.
My dogs are scared of me they watch me fuck my gf and yell so much.

Guys like you will let logic get in the way of everything. You wont ever be shit at this because you stay in your safe zone and yell out from the sidlines that everyone is stupid.

I have done it. I am doing it.

Flawed logic? The only thing out of range in my standard bloodwork (heart liver kidneys areteries...) is my cholesterol wich is pretty much standard for tren use.

You are blind as shit to everything I have said cousin.

Go back and re read until you understand. I covered every single aspect of your post.

So you don't want me to explain why you live in an illusion, that's absolutely fine, and is what you call a "safe zone" (no pain no gain brah). If you are happy about your state of consciousness that's cool, the most important thing is that you grow like a beast (and your BF is ~17%, ~230 lbs, do I remember well from another topic?), hehehehe.

I'm not the person you are talking about, as I've mentioned - steroid -psychosis are rare, but who knows, you are not too emotionally stable as well (these are sides as well, not only that you can or can't bang your GF 3 times a day, WOW that's a lot, hehe, and your dogs are scared because of this too - let someone help them, LOL). And yes, you act like an idiot, and I've just finished the conversation with you.

I have nothing more to add, it's already boring and a pity for my time, but thanks for fun anyway.

P.S. GH is the only person who's got something here as I can see, listen to him freaked jacked beasts, maybe you will win some competition in a village in MISSissippi (there's no state in US starting with MAST unfortunately).

[Couchlockd]

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[GearHeaded]

in all fairness to OP .. I would like to of seen a poll from members on this forum who ONLY use Masteron as there "Anti Estrogen agent".

anyone around here use Masteron only for that reason ?

is the topic at hand really even an issue or a concern for anyone .. I mean do guys sit there and ask their dealer for an anti estrogen and the dealer brings out a 40$ baggy of Nolva which only requires you to run 10mg per day (you likely won't even get through half the bag on cycle) and then brings out $80 bottles of Masteron and says 'run a few of these during your cycle for estrogen control'.
right? who is going to spend 100s of dollars on Masteron to use it ONLY as estrogen control. especially when you can run $20 worth of Nolva.

this whole topic doesn't seem like an issue what-so-ever , let alone a debate.

unless I'm missing something

[GearHeaded]

Masterons anti estrogenic properties and its blunting effects on estrogen and prolactin receptors is a BONUS aspect of the drug.

I'm personally not taking 700mg of Mast right now simply for that reason alone (I'm not even an estrogen or prolactin sensitive guy)

[charger69]

in all fairness to OP .. I would like to of seen a poll from members on this forum who ONLY use Masteron as there "Anti Estrogen agent".

anyone around here use Masteron only for that reason ?

is the topic at hand really even an issue or a concern for anyone .. I mean do guys sit there and ask their dealer for an anti estrogen and the dealer brings out a 40$ baggy of Nolva which only requires you to run 10mg per day (you likely won't even get through half the bag on cycle) and then brings out $80 bottles of Masteron and says 'run a few of these during your cycle for estrogen control'.
right? who is going to spend 100s of dollars on Masteron to use it ONLY as estrogen control. especially when you can run $20 worth of Nolva.

this whole topic doesn't seem like an issue what-so-ever , let alone a debate.

unless I'm missing something

You are using too much reason. We were in the forest and couldn’t see the trees. LOL


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[Obs]

So you don't want me to explain why you live in an illusion, that's absolutely fine, and is what you call a "safe zone" (no pain no gain brah). If you are happy about your state of consciousness that's cool, the most important thing is that you grow like a beast (and your BF is ~17%, ~230 lbs, do I remember well from another topic?), hehehehe.

I'm not the person you are talking about, as I've mentioned - steroid -psychosis are rare, but who knows, you are not too emotionally stable as well (these are sides as well, not only that you can or can't bang your GF 3 times a day, WOW that's a lot, hehe, and your dogs are scared because of this too - let someone help them, LOL). And yes, you act like an idiot, and I've just finished the conversation with you.

I have nothing more to add, it's already boring and a pity for my time, but thanks for fun anyway.

P.S. GH is the only person who's got something here as I can see, listen to him freaked jacked beasts, maybe you will win some competition in a village in MISSissippi (there's no state in US starting with MAST unfortunately).

Acctually my bf is about 12% atm.
I have been on a lot of tren and mast.
My bodyfat got to 17% one ime for about two months after 6 months of deca eating fast food every meal.

Since you brought it up post a photo.

[Obs]

So you don't want me to explain why you live in an illusion, that's absolutely fine, and is what you call a "safe zone" (no pain no gain brah). If you are happy about your state of consciousness that's cool, the most important thing is that you grow like a beast (and your BF is ~17%, ~230 lbs, do I remember well from another topic?), hehehehe.

I'm not the person you are talking about, as I've mentioned - steroid -psychosis are rare, but who knows, you are not too emotionally stable as well (these are sides as well, not only that you can or can't bang your GF 3 times a day, WOW that's a lot, hehe, and your dogs are scared because of this too - let someone help them, LOL). And yes, you act like an idiot, and I've just finished the conversation with you.

I have nothing more to add, it's already boring and a pity for my time, but thanks for fun anyway.

P.S. GH is the only person who's got something here as I can see, listen to him freaked jacked beasts, maybe you will win some competition in a village in MISSissippi (there's no state in US starting with MAST unfortunately).

Also I am pretty unforgettable cousin.

I was voted member of the year.
They even gave me this medal.

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[GearHeaded]

Acctually my bf is about 12% atm.
I have been on a lot of tren and mast..

uh oh,, I can see it coming. next thread up for debate "Tren and Mast help lower body fat -- NO ''

[Couchlockd]

Well said

[Wyatt 88]

Thanks to Gear head I'm running a small dose nolva this blast for an estrogen blocker and I'm doing great. Still going to get bloods soon to verify everything anyways.

[GearHeaded]

you've got a very observational and analytical mind there Couch . I bet in high school you were the guy that would be cracking jokes in class and seemingly not paying attention, but when it came down to test time you'd ace it every time

[GearHeaded]

Thanks to Gear head I'm running a small dose nolva this blast for an estrogen blocker and I'm doing great. Still going to get bloods soon to verify everything anyways.

good to hear its going well Wyatt. keep in mind when you get blood work, your E2 should be elevated (as nolva does nothing to keep serum levels from being elevated, BUT its working at the receptor level itself blocking the negative effects). your cholesterol numbers should be a bit better as well being on Nolva rather then an AI this cycle (mainly HDL)

[Couchlockd]

you've got a very observational and analytical mind there Couch . I bet in high school you were the guy that would be cracking jokes in class and seemingly not paying attention, but when it came down to test time you'd ace it every time

You know me well.

I had a deal with history teacher in 10th to 12th grade.

I got into pot heavy, didn't care to take notes from board.

Or carry book to class I just wanted to leave it there in class.

After weeks of daily detentions for not taking notes, it bringing text book, he said if I got B or better on tests he didn't care and would stop getting detentions.

I didn't carry a civics or history book ever again or take civics or history notes either.

But most other subjects I needed to take notes.

Or give weed to the smart chicks to take notes for me.

[balance]

I’m basically a noob here to this forum and aas in general. However from my own reading/researching of different compounds (both the science behind them and IRL applications of how they work for people (broscience) I came to a conclusion just as laid out here by Obs. I am confused however what the exact point of the OP is here with this whole thread. OP please forgive my noobness and clearly state point of this thread. Like many here I’m am always interested to listen to different viewpoints and reasoning but I really don’t get what you are trying to convey?

No one ever said Mast was an AI.
It can be used to mitigate the sides of elevated estrogen allowing you to reap the anabolic benefits from the estrogen without the sides.

Do you got that cousin?

[HoldMyBeer]

I’m basically a noob here to this forum and aas in general. However from my own reading/researching of different compounds (both the science behind them and IRL applications of how they work for people (broscience) I came to a conclusion just as laid out here by Obs. I am confused however what the exact point of the OP is here with this whole thread. OP please forgive my noobness and clearly state point of this thread. Like many here I’m am always interested to listen to different viewpoints and reasoning but I really don’t get what you are trying to convey?

I don't think OP had a point. He was just trying to stir up shit.

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[Capebuffalo]

I am a random fool that did it.
It worked awesome for me.


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How is all that googling working for you?

That dudes wearing crocks

[Capebuffalo]

If the OP doesn’t want to have a civil discussion (which we premote hearing all sides) he can’t argue with himself.

[Wyatt 88]

good to hear its going well Wyatt. keep in mind when you get blood work, your E2 should be elevated (as nolva does nothing to keep serum levels from being elevated, BUT its working at the receptor level itself blocking the negative effects). your cholesterol numbers should be a bit better as well being on Nolva rather then an AI this cycle (mainly HDL)

Gotcha. I remember you and Obs talking about that awhile back in another thread. High estrogen levels don't bother me anymore as long as it coincides with my testosterone levels .

[GearHeaded]

Gotcha. I remember you and Obs talking about that awhile back in another thread. High estrogen levels don't bother me anymore as long as it coincides with my testosterone levels.

well if Estrogen ever does become an issue for you , well then just take Masteron , it solves every estrogen issue ever known to mankind

[Couchlockd]

well if Estrogen ever does become an issue for you , well then just take Masteron , it solves every estrogen issue ever known to mankind

They really should change it's name to "Esterone".

[Wyatt 88]

well if Estrogen ever does become an issue for you , well then just take Masteron , it solves every estrogen issue ever known to mankind

I remember you saying that before but thanks for drilling it home. Guess I'll never have to purchase a arimidex again or that Clomid crap that may cause blindness

[ghettoboyd]

I remember you saying that before but thanks for drilling it home. Guess I'll never have to purchase a arimidex again or that Clomid crap that may cause blindness

he was being facetious bro that was meant to be funny....re read the thread for details...

[Wyatt 88]

he was being facetious bro that was meant to be funny....re read the thread for details...

Sorry I'm not so great putting things into words, that's why I hardly post things LOL.

In another thread I was talking about running test and Tren and Gearhead suggested to run masteron . But like I said earlier I'm running Nolva instead of Arimidex as an estrogen blocker.

[kelkel]

I'm liking this thread!

[Chrisp83TRT]

I don't care, the style suits me in the Internet, normally I'm cool. The thing is I absolutely have right to challenge old myths (oh and btw how do you know what my educational status is, lmao, another dashing guy), because I'm up-to-date in the research cus of my proffession and passion.

You aren’t challenging anyone. You sound like a fuck tard stirring up a discussion that you fail to intake any knowledge from .
You are acting incredibly pompous and arrogant at best insulting some very good people on this forum for what ?

People answered you nicely and respectfully and you took that info and simple said in a asshole way

“Okay , tell me something I don’t know”

Well you asked a question and you got an answer. Either you can kindly soak it in or do what every fucking newbie does and ignores the answer and continues answer it how they want too.

I don’t appreciate you insulting some people I consider very decent humans.

If you have nothing nice to say , peace the fuck out.
Go act that way in your local planet fitness bruh.


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[Obs]

I'm liking this thread!

I too love productive discussions of science.

[MS_PHARM]

Your logic is bad, brahs.

If your adored Masteron abolishes sides from excessively elevated E2 in an anti-ER direct manner (as you all say), it'd reduce positive aspects of elevated E2 in muscles as well (at the same time you defend yourself that you take ALL THE GOOD THINGS from E2, lol) - it's how it works on receptor level and it's why your crap theories I've called "magic". The same about using SERMs to treat mammary gland enlargement and E2 disturbed role in a skeletal muscle (you also think that it doesn't matter...).

Your utopian theories have nothing to do with reality and you grow only accidently (probably because of massive AR stimulation mainly from an excess of AAS which you don't need in real, or/and by taking insulin , hGH, etc.), NOT CONSCIOUSLY.

I won't describe you a complete mechanism cus you're too ignorant, but take into account that we know at least 3 different ER subtypes and many EREs which are influenced in many ways by SERMs and strange compounds like drostanolone (in another mechanism than SERMs, I won't bother to explain as well after all the discussion I see here and your limited approach), restricting a full potential of E2 acting on their molecular targets.

Proper dosing of an AI is hard (as well as understanding pharmacokinetics), it's much easier to inject sick amounts of Mast and think that it's a much better solution (ignorancy).

But who cares, more muscle is more muscle, doesn't matter how, lol.

[Couchlockd]

Your logic is bad, brahs.

If your adored Masteron abolishes sides from excessively elevated E2 in an anti-ER direct manner (as you all say), it'd reduce positive aspects of elevated E2 in muscles as well (at the same time you defend yourself that you take ALL THE GOOD THINGS from E2, lol) - it's how it works on receptor level and it's why your crap theories I've called "magic". The same about using SERMs to treat mammary gland enlargement and E2 disturbed role in a skeletal muscle (you also think that it doesn't matter...).

Your utopian theories have nothing to do with reality and you grow only accidently (probably because of massive AR stimulation mainly from an excess of AAS which you don't need in real, or/and by taking insulin , hGH, etc.), NOT CONSCIOUSLY.

I won't describe you a complete mechanism cus you're too ignorant, but take into account that we know at least 3 different ER subtypes and many EREs which are influenced in many ways by SERMs and strange compounds like drostanolone (in another mechanism than SERMs, I won't bother to explain as well after all the discussion I see here and your limited approach), restricting a full potential of E2 acting on their molecular targets.

Proper dosing of an AI is hard (as well as understanding pharmacokinetics), it's much easier to inject sick amounts of Mast and think that it's a much better solution (ignorancy).

But who cares, more muscle is more muscle, doesn't matter how, lol.

Oh lead me my master, tell me how and with what I should manage e2 with.

Tell me what would MS_PHARM do?

We are all ears, show us the light. We know nothing , we need guided. Can you guide us please??

[HoldMyBeer]

Why are you guys still talking to OP? He is the only one here that is making baseless statments. It's like arguing w a flat-earther using facts and logic, it's a waste of time and energy.

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[Obs]

Your logic is bad, brahs.

If your adored Masteron abolishes sides from excessively elevated E2 in an anti-ER direct manner (as you all say), it'd reduce positive aspects of elevated E2 in muscles as well (at the same time you defend yourself that you take ALL THE GOOD THINGS from E2, lol) - it's how it works on receptor level and it's why your crap theories I've called "magic". The same about using SERMs to treat mammary gland enlargement and E2 disturbed role in a skeletal muscle (you also think that it doesn't matter...).

Your utopian theories have nothing to do with reality and you grow only accidently (probably because of massive AR stimulation mainly from an excess of AAS which you don't need in real, or/and by taking insulin , hGH, etc.), NOT CONSCIOUSLY.

I won't describe you a complete mechanism cus you're too ignorant, but take into account that we know at least 3 different ER subtypes and many EREs which are influenced in many ways by SERMs and strange compounds like drostanolone (in another mechanism than SERMs, I won't bother to explain as well after all the discussion I see here and your limited approach), restricting a full potential of E2 acting on their molecular targets.

Proper dosing of an AI is hard (as well as understanding pharmacokinetics), it's much easier to inject sick amounts of Mast and think that it's a much better solution (ignorancy).

But who cares, more muscle is more muscle, doesn't matter how, lol.

I've done it, you read about it and formed an opinion off reading different things. I read about it too. Then I did it. It worked.

Can someone ban this cunt?

[Obs]

But who cares, more muscle is more muscle, doesn't matter how, lol.

First thing you said I agree with.

[GearHeaded]

Your logic is bad, brahs.

If your adored Masteron abolishes sides from excessively elevated E2 in an anti-ER direct manner (as you all say), it'd reduce positive aspects of elevated E2 in muscles as well .

nope.

Masteon does not directly lower serum levels of Estrogen . so you still get the 'benefit' of elevated serum estrogen while taking masteron , like having more estrogen to pass through the liver and produce more HDL and IGF, like having more estrogen available to stimulate HGH production, like having more estrogen available to sensitize androgen receptors .
these are all positive aspects (and I could keep adding to the list).

where the positive aspects go away along with the negative aspects of estrogen is when you take something like an AI , which actually DOES lower blood serum levels of estrogen (thus mitigating to a degree its anabolic effects .. taking away both the negative effects and its benefits at the same time)

its an AI that lowers both the positive effects of estrogen and the negative effects of estrogen.

but hey , are you not the one that implied that Masteron isn't an AI ?
yes I agree with you , its not an AI . thats why we can use Mast and get positive benefits of estrogen, via its action of NOT lowering serum levels of estrogen like an AI would, yet blunt some of the negative aspects at some of the receptor sites themselves.


I'm still overall confused as to what your point is and why you started this thread. Masteron is not an AI , ok we agree. yet masteron still has some anti-estrgeonc properties (even if it was simply form its androgenic nature), and this is simply fact . so again we agree.

[GearHeaded]

for people that actually use steroids and don't just talk about them..

this is a very common thing--

a guy runs high dose test and high dose tren and has quite a few nasty side effects. but he keeps running this combo for years cause he gets gains.
now one day he discovers Masteron . he decides to add this into that high dose tren and high dose test cycle. guess what ? he discovers the MAGIC !! all of the sudden the negative sides he always got are mitigated and subdued, and on top of it his gains are even better.

yeah there is something to this Masteron. 100s of guys have been in the above situation.


the answer , imo is simple. it 'blunts' the negative effects of both prolactin and estrogen at the receptor level. this is why it works best while running 19nors, in regards to blunting negative side effects that 19nors cause.
IF you have issues running deca . simply run Masteon with you Deca and a lot of times you no longer have an issue. same with Tren.

this may be 'bro science' , but its something guys have noticed time and time again that works.