Cutting?

[McGregor]

Cliffs:
I've been bulking for the past few months and went from 155 lbs to 178 lbs. I'm fairly lean but i don't like the look i have now. I would look way better at lower body fat %.
I've been thinking about cutting close to 10 % body fat and bulking up with drier compounds like boldenone .
Also hit a weight gain plateau and i already hate eating food. I'm going to use trenbolone , winstrol , testosterone as my cutting stack if i cut. Do you think that cutting is a good idea? I would enjoy being more vascular and leaner.

[< <Samson> >]

155-178

^ what's your height?

[McGregor]

I'm 6'0

[McGregor]

I've actually stepped on the scale now and i'm 180 - 181 lbs.

[McGregor]

[GearHeaded]

to be bluntly honest. your probably never going to like your look with as little muscle as your carrying (probably ,, when your lean you look skinny as a rail, when you bulk you get soft and look skinny fat). you need to put on a lot more muscle. when you have more muscle it will be easier to stay lean and look lean as well.
at your height of 6' , a lean 155 pounds is very light. you just don't have a whole lot to work with.

I would NOT focus on cutting one bit (your light enough as it is). focus all your efforts into putting on new muscle tissue. dedicate at least 18 months. this doesn't have to be a ''bulk'' per se. you can be lean and put on new tissue

[McGregor]

I'm like 81-82 kg already. I will probably have to bulk up to 95 kilos.

[GearHeaded]

as for what drugs to help you put on more actual muscle tissue. focus on the anabolics (NPP, Primo) and high dosage test. you don't really need anything overly androgenic or any 'drying' compounds (tren , mast).
if you have the $ , investing in HGH usage at this stage can help you later on building a more solid physique as well

[GearHeaded]

I'm like 81-82 kg already. I will probably have to bulk up to 95 kilos.

if you give yourself a goal of adding just 1 pound of quality muscle per month, with a time frame of 18 months, you won't even have to be in much of a calorie surplus or bulk to the point where you put on any fat.. and in 18 months you'll be like 195 pounds and lean.
you'll need to make sure you diet is on point , your training is intense and progressively overloads, and your drug usage has solid intent and purpose.

going back and fourth between cutting and bulking every couple of months is just having you spin your wheels .. commit to adding pure muscle for awhile and then you'll get there

[< <Samson> >]

Well, u r lean

Just focus on putting on weight - unless that's not the look you're going for

If u keep running juice & eating the weight will come on with time

[charger69]

I am in agreement with the comments above. You need to focus on building muscle.


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[McGregor]

I'm going to bulk then but what drugs should i run to keep the bulk cleaner? I don't want my face to look fat and bloated (i'm single lol). I also don't want to run nandrolone because of the erectile dysfunction side effect. I don't want to risk buying fake HGH. I can't afford to waste my money on useless products.

[charger69]

I'm going to bulk then but what drugs should i run to keep the bulk cleaner? I don't want my face to look fat and bloated (i'm single lol). I also don't want to run nandrolone because of the erectile dysfunction side effect. I don't want to risk buying fake HGH. I can't afford to waste my money on useless products.

The oil doesn’t make the cut.... The diet does. You can use the same oils to cut and to bulk. The difference is the diet.
Is the issue with nandrolone real, or what you heard? Everyone is different, but 300-400 you should not have issues. The Ed issues are probably high prolactin.
It is possible to bulk and still be at 12% bf. You really need to have your diet dialed in. It took ma a couple of cycles to dial this in.
I personally do not have the $ for HGH. It is for the long run.



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[< <Samson> >]

What drugs?! Shit

This season I have made the most progress while on 250mg a week of cyp - I can't handle the high doses any more


You wanna put on weight - in order

Food
Rest
Time
Juice(test, tren , Anadrol , dBol ) < all of these will help you gain mass the fastest - at what cost, well - that's all on u



Thx to my AAs use/abuse I am starting to have fairly srs gi issues which won't allow me to ramp my diet back up. . . Still trying now tho, pulling up on a fairly lean 220 Lbs - is not easy for me at all. . . I feel like I eat till I'm sick almost every day.

[Proximal]

You look to be at 10%. If you just went from 155 to 180 in a few months and are at 10%, you should be ecstatic.

You’re looking good, keep it up.

[McGregor]

I'm going to use 500 mg of testosterone enanthate but i want to add something else to the mix. What do you recommend? I've been thinking about something like Superdrol or Boldenone .

[Thors_Hammer]

I'm going to bulk then but what drugs should i run to keep the bulk cleaner? I don't want my face to look fat and bloated (i'm single lol). I also don't want to run nandrolone because of the erectile dysfunction side effect. I don't want to risk buying fake HGH. I can't afford to waste my money on useless products.

First off I want to second everything that’s been said. Bulking at your size is going to be best for trying to look better.
You mentioned wanting to stay lean while bulking which I totally get but one thing to consider is the long term goal.
I heard once that it’s better to bulk and look soft/fat/skinny fat (what ever you want to call it) for a short time rather than adding some size and then cutting and losing it and going through that till you get tired of trying.
And personally I agree
Speaking from my experience;
I graduated HS at 130 at 6’1” and have spent the last few years working to add muscle. And yes I gained some fat along the way (not saying it’s the only way just the way I went)
But what you and I and other skinny guys call fat is normal to most people so girls aren’t going to notice much. At my heaviest (around 200 with 18-20% bf) I I never had issues getting a date.
Now as far as drugs go, listen to the pros and guys who have done several cycles but from what I’ve learned I would say A LOT of your appearance comes from your diet and making sure you keep hormones in check. Just my 2 cents when trying to decide what to take.

[< <Samson> >]

i want to add something else to the mix. What do you recommend? I've been thinking about something like Superdrol or Boldenone.

Eq isn't worth speaking about


All dRols are gonna b harsh af - i'd still pick aBombs, but. . . . . . .

[GearHeaded]

I'm going to bulk then but what drugs should i run to keep the bulk cleaner? I don't want my face to look fat and bloated (i'm single lol). I also don't want to run nandrolone because of the erectile dysfunction side effect. I don't want to risk buying fake HGH. I can't afford to waste my money on useless products.

for a clean and lean bulk (diet depending of course), running test with primo and Npp/deca while rotating in some orals like Anadrol and Var, is going to give you the most actual 'tissue' over the long haul imo.
Test 500-1000mg
Primo 600mg
NPP/Deca 600mg
Anadrol or Var 50mg day
Nolva as needed

rotate these compounds through various phases for 18 months, with quality diet and training and you'll put on plenty of QUALITY size.
you can add some tren to the mix for like 6 weeks blasts on occasions, but your going to want to do it with higher levels of estrogen (running at least a gram of test with no AI) if your going for size (with some guys Tren just leans them out cause they are running it 'dry')

note: primo.. some guys will say its weak. but its a 'pure' anabolic . meaning it doesn't do much of anything at all other then help you build tissue. this is what you want for long term growth. you don't need things that 'blow you up' over night.

note: deca.. your not likely to have 'deca dick' issues if your not prolactin sensitive and you keep you androgens elevated to some degree. deca dick is generally caused from Deca converting to 'DHN' (instead of dht) which is a weak androgen and unable to promote sexual function. But as long as you have enough test in their converting to actual DHT you'll be fine (unless your one of the few that are very prolactin sensitive)

[charger69]

I am pretty sure that the phases for 18 months does not mean coming off.
I just want to make sure that it isn’t misinterpreted.
You are not on TRT are you?


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[< <Samson> >]

How old?!

Not really 20 right

[GearHeaded]

I am pretty sure that the phases for 18 months does not mean coming off.
I just want to make sure that it isn’t misinterpreted.
You are not on TRT are you?

by "phases" I simply meant a combination of the drugs I listed at various times while he was 'on cycle'. how long he personally chooses to be off or on or not is totally up to him.

but imo you don't need to be on TRT to do phase cycling. you can do it with PCT as well.
if someone is serious about 'gains' though, doing one PCT per year is the most I'd recommend (8-9 months on, 3 months pct) , while someone thats just running gear for shits and giggles and isn't that serious, then doing PCT after every 12 week cycle is fine (or just running one cycle per year).

the 'time on = time off + pct' philospohy, is how a lot of guys end up running gear for 5+ years and still end up looking like the day they started their first cycle .
its a fine approach if blood work and health are your primary concern, but its not likely to illicit the gains that can be achieved with a more aggressive protocol.
just my 2 cents . ultimately its a personal choice despite what anyone recommends or not

[McGregor]

I'm 19 years old lol

[GearHeaded]

I'm 19 years old lol

lol , ok well then that explains a lot and why you don't have a lot of muscle built up yet. it takes years.
whats your diet and training look like

[< <Samson> >]

You're in for a ride

I am double your age


Y get juiced so young




Lol - kids nower days. . . .

[McGregor]

I eat high carbs, moderate protein and low fat for bulking. My training is mostly low reps and heavy weights on the basic exercises. I'm actually very lazy in the weight room lol. I lift heavy but i could have done more volume over the past few months. I also like to do higher reps on the machines. Kind of mix low reps and high reps over the week.

[Thors_Hammer]

I eat high carbs, moderate protein and low fat for bulking. My training is mostly low reps and heavy weights on the basic exercises. I'm actually very lazy in the weight room lol. I lift heavy but i could have done more volume over the past few months. I also like to do higher reps on the machines. Kind of mix low reps and high reps over the week.

Do you have a specific routine you follow? Not that I am asking for details. But do you have a routine or do you just go in and do what “feels good”?

I ask because at 19 I knew nothing about programs, how to put one together, or what was actually right for my body to promote growth.

So when I tried the “do what feels good” approach I I was shooting my self in the foot. I’d say I needed more volume but I wasn’t consistent or I would decide to work Tris 5 times a week and then get tendonitis. Just lots of stupid mistakes from lack of experience.

Once I followed a proper routine (for longer than a few months) I started to see gains.

And I know you said how your diet is broken up but so you actually have macros you aim for or just “try to eat healthy” again I ask because that’s what I did and I swore I was eating good but it wasn’t until I really set down and mapped out a diet (for me it means eating the same thing everyday)

Pairing both of those points together allows me to grow. Not that I don’t plan to use gear but I am at least growing still when I swore I couldn’t seem to grow anymore. (Yea the experienced guys can laugh because I’m sure everyone goes through that phase)

[diesel101]

I eat high carbs, moderate protein and low fat for bulking. My training is mostly low reps and heavy weights on the basic exercises. I'm actually very lazy in the weight room lol. I lift heavy but i could have done more volume over the past few months. I also like to do higher reps on the machines. Kind of mix low reps and high reps over the week.

If your "very lazy" in the weight room running any type of steroid is the last thing you should be doing.
Work on getting your workouts and diet to where they should be and get those natural gains first.

[Windex]

I eat high carbs, moderate protein and low fat for bulking. My training is mostly low reps and heavy weights on the basic exercises. I'm actually very lazy in the weight room lol. I lift heavy but i could have done more volume over the past few months. I also like to do higher reps on the machines. Kind of mix low reps and high reps over the week.

Lazy in the weight room and your nutrition information only extends as far as macronutrients.

You should take the time to educate yourself and read the stickies because you are wasting your time and money using steroids at the age. Your post is proof that you have a lot to learn and shouldn't be anywhere near gear.,

[McGregor]

Okay guys after thinking about it for a while i've came to the conclussion that i don't want to deal with the bloat from using wet compounds (a lot of testosterone , dbol , nandrolone ). I know that using wet compounds to gain muscle is the best way (fastest way) but i don't want the face bloat. It's going to ruin my chances with the girls lol (fat looking face). I hope that you guys understand i just care about my looks way too much. I guess compounds like EQ and Primo are my new best friends along with TRT.

[McGregor]

Would you bloat on high test if you kept nutrition clean (low sodium, low fat, lean bulk)? I want to bulk with testosterone but i don't want the bloat. Help me out guys!

[Windex]

Would you bloat on high test if you kept nutrition clean (low sodium, low fat, lean bulk)? I want to bulk with testosterone but i don't want the bloat. Help me out guys!

You've been told by multiple members that you shouldn't be using gear because you lack the discipline, education, and maturity to use gear.

Listen to the people who have been using gear longer than you've been alive.