Deca cycle qs....

[GTtheGUY]

So if I'm going to run a deca and test cycle how long should I run the deca? If I run test for 8 or 12 weeks how long should I run the deca with that? And for a 200lb guy I should be on 400mg. How often?? Every week? Thanks.

[EDCG19]

8-10 weeks is to short
12-14 weeks is better on deca

400mg should work but I'd wait for other responses..
How much test are you planning on running with deca?

[GTtheGUY]

Not sure but somewhere around 500mg. I'm looking at these test deca mixes trying to decide if that would be good or if I should order the 2 compounds seperate. Thanks

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Run them seperate. Mixes suck, and you can never really tell if they're mixed properly or not.

[charger69]

I agree that normal deca should be run for around 12 weeks.
You can run NPP ( short ester deca) for shorter periods.
You can frontload deca so it goes into effect sooner and you can run a shorter cycle. I tried this and it works pretty good and you do not have the long wait.
You can also take the qty that you would run for a 12 week cycle and run that amount in 8 weeks. I have never tried this however I will be in the near future. You will still be consuming the same amount.


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[Windex]

When are you planning to run Deca ? Your post history shows you in a test cycle in November and are not currently on TRT.

I would not recommend Deca in a second cycle.


Have you done any bloodwork? At 45 years old you are a candidate for TRT potentially. If you are not interested in ending up on TRT then you shouldn't risk using Nandrolone at 45 years old.

[EDCG19]

I agree that normal deca should be run for around 12 weeks.
You can run NPP ( short ester deca) for shorter periods.
You can frontload deca so it goes into effect sooner and you can run a shorter cycle. I tried this and it works pretty good and you do not have the long wait.
You can also take the qty that you would run for a 12 week cycle and run that amount in 8 weeks. I have never tried this however I will be in the near future. You will still be consuming the same amount.


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I like the NPP idea for 8-10 weeks but when you mention running deca at 8 weeks but with the a higher dose than normal how would that work? You're running more each week to total the same amount at 8 weeks vs 12 weeks but would something like that work if you're running more in a shorter period of time since i think most people don't run shorter deca cycles because of the way deca works??
Trying to learn more here, thanks in advance

[GearHeaded]

I like the NPP idea for 8-10 weeks but when you mention running deca at 8 weeks but with the a higher dose than normal how would that work? You're running more each week to total the same amount at 8 weeks vs 12 weeks but would something like that work if you're running more in a shorter period of time since i think most people don't run shorter deca cycles because of the way deca works??
Trying to learn more here, thanks in advance

I touch on this here
https://forums.steroid.com/training-...nts-log-6.html

starting with post 209 on page 6.

deca can easily be ran effectively in as little as 4 weeks in a phase cycling protocol. of course the dosages and the way the cycles are set up are much different then "traditional" cycles

[charger69]

I touch on this here
https://forums.steroid.com/training-...nts-log-6.html

starting with post 209 on page 6.

deca can easily be ran effectively in as little as 4 weeks in a phase cycling protocol. of course the dosages and the way the cycles are set up are much different then "traditional" cycles

Thanks GH! No one can spell it out as good as you!!


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[EDCG19]

I touch on this here
https://forums.steroid.com/training-...nts-log-6.html

starting with post 209 on page 6.

deca can easily be ran effectively in as little as 4 weeks in a phase cycling protocol. of course the dosages and the way the cycles are set up are much different then "traditional" cycles

Thanks I'll give it a read as I'm looking at an NPP cycle for myself dosed at 300mg
I'll go over that thread for now

Thanks again

[KennyJ]

So if I'm going to run a deca and test cycle how long should I run the deca? If I run test for 8 or 12 weeks how long should I run the deca with that? And for a 200lb guy I should be on 400mg. How often?? Every week? Thanks.

Can you post all of your previous cycles and when you ran them. It will help tremendously with the knowledgeable guys to give you better advice. Actually it's essential for them to know your complete cycle experience. Everything that has been advised is great but they could help you out so much more if they had a complete background. Also post any blood work you've had as that's another essential thing. Good luck!

[charger69]

Can you post all of your previous cycles and when you ran them. It will help tremendously with the knowledgeable guys to give you better advice. Actually it's essential for them to know your complete cycle experience. Everything that has been advised is great but they could help you out so much more if they had a complete background. Also post any blood work you've had as that's another essential thing. Good luck!

Kenny is right. Sometimes we make assumptions and the advice is based on those assumptions. That advice could be bad without knowing the whole story.


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[GTtheGUY]

Ok so...

[GTtheGUY]

Ok that a lot of good info. And yes windex I'm on my first ever cycle -test only. Been going great. I'm at the end and will start my PCT shortly. I have 1 shot left. So I'm planning my next cycle. Im going to PCT, let my body bounce back and go again. This cycle was a smashing success. Put on over 25lbs. And feel like a rockstar. And yes am.thinking about adding decca or something else next cycle. So your saying because im.older I should be careful adding in other compounds because I may not bounce back as well?? Also i know the orals are harder on your liver but how does deca being an injectable compare to just test as far as liver taxing?? Thanks for everything.

[KennyJ]

Ok that a lot of good info. And yes windex I'm on my first ever cycle -test only. Been going great. I'm at the end and will start my PCT shortly. I have 1 shot left. So I'm planning my next cycle. Im going to PCT, let my body bounce back and go again. This cycle was a smashing success. Put on over 25lbs. And feel like a rockstar. And yes am.thinking about adding decca or something else next cycle. So your saying because im.older I should be careful adding in other compounds because I may not bounce back as well?? Also i know the orals are harder on your liver but how does deca being an injectable compare to just test as far as liver taxing?? Thanks for everything.

The issue with deca especially at your age is the fact that you will most certainly not get back to your original natural test production because deca will shut down your natural production. That’s why he mentioned TRT.

[< <Samson> >]

How long should you run deca -

Well, until you need your dick back & functional




^ although, I have heard a myth that some folk aren't plagued by Deca Dick




Longest I could pull off a deca cycle was about 9+ weeks

[Windex]

Ok that a lot of good info. And yes windex I'm on my first ever cycle -test only. Been going great. I'm at the end and will start my PCT shortly. I have 1 shot left. So I'm planning my next cycle. Im going to PCT, let my body bounce back and go again. This cycle was a smashing success. Put on over 25lbs. And feel like a rockstar. And yes am.thinking about adding decca or something else next cycle. So your saying because im.older I should be careful adding in other compounds because I may not bounce back as well?? Also i know the orals are harder on your liver but how does deca being an injectable compare to just test as far as liver taxing?? Thanks for everything.

Deca shuts you down from the first shot and is the hardest steroid to recover from. It's the most suppressive on your HPTA/endocrine system. It's also detectable in your body for over a year. Age and testosterone levels are inversely correlated - as you age, test levels decrease. The combination of using Deca + 45 years old will make recovery challenging.

If I was in your shoes I wouldn't worry about a second cycle whatsoever, there's still too many future variables. Everyone feels like super man during their cycle, that is expected. You don't know what your bloodwork will look like 6-8+ weeks out from PCT. You don't know how PCT will go, you may decide to go with TRT, your bloodwork may indicate you will need TRT regardless if you don't recover.

An example I used in another thread is:

Worrying about a second cycle in the middle of a first cycle is like trying to plan a vacation with no destination. What clothing do you pack if you don't know where your going? What type of currency? What accessories will be needed? etc

[GTtheGUY]

I didnt know Deca was so hard to bounce back from. You all are right. I think I'm going to skip the deca. Why add something if you dont need it. The test only cycle was great. Once I bounce back from that, maybe run another test only. Thanks for pulling my head out. ����

[GearHeaded]

I didnt know Deca was so hard to bounce back from. You all are right. I think I'm going to skip the deca. Why add something if you dont need it. The test only cycle was great. Once I bounce back from that, maybe run another test only. Thanks for pulling my head out. ����

may wanna think about adding in something like an Anavar or Tbol your next cycle go around instead of Deca .. recovery will be much easier, but will still yield some decent anabolic effects and be synergistic with your Test

[GTtheGUY]

Gearhead I thought about DBOL originally but I have some liver issues so figured I'd stay clear of orals.

[charger69]

Gearhead I thought about DBOL originally but I have some liver issues so figured I'd stay clear of orals.

Do you take NAC and TUDCA?


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[GearHeaded]

Gearhead I thought about DBOL originally but I have some liver issues so figured I'd stay clear of orals.

makes sense. and yes there are plenty of oils to run before you ever need to dabble with orals.

having said that. IMO, the idea that oral steroids are super liver toxic is just as mis informed as the person who says I don't want to lift weights because I don't want to get too muscular. lol. point is , you would really really have to abuse oral steroids to do real damage to your liver.

of course supplement companies that sell "liver aides'' and "protectants'' will state otherwise . but if you look into some history you'll find some oral steroids , like Anavar , were actually prescribed by docs to help treat liver disease (let alone cause it)


running things like NAC and Tudca is beneficial either way as they don't protect you form 'steroids' sort of speak. they have tons of health benefits which promote a healthy liver and healthy cells.
even if you never touched a steriod or alcohol, these sups have benefit

[GTtheGUY]

No I dont take NAC and TUDCA but it looks like I should be. I'm checking it out now. I see so many goofy liver support, test booster, estrogen blocker etc supplements on the shelf at the supplement store. I dont have a lot of faith in most of those products cuz I think most are probably hype. It's like if they put the words "cycle" or "PCT" on a bottle of something at GNC they sell the hell.out of it. But if your saying NAC and TUDCA are the real deal I check it out. Because I need it

[Dannyboy51577]

No I dont take NAC and TUDCA but it looks like I should be. I'm checking it out now. I see so many goofy liver support, test booster, estrogen blocker etc supplements on the shelf at the supplement store. I dont have a lot of faith in most of those products cuz I think most are probably hype. It's like if they put the words "cycle" or "PCT" on a bottle of something at GNC they sell the hell.out of it. But if your saying NAC and TUDCA are the real deal I check it out. Because I need it

Listen to these guys- I'm a huge test- deca fan. Run it at least once a year, sometimes twice. But it takes its toll, and when you run it you will have lasting effects. I know how my body reacts to it and what to expect, but I deal with the after effects for a couple months after I'm off.

As far as any sort of pct etc from GNC, forget it. Not worth the money. Other than nac and tudca or udca, a great liver support is choline and inositol. 3000mg of each while on cycle, 1500mg of each the rest of the year. Old school liver care with a long proven track record.

For a 2nd cycle take it easy. Stay away from deca or tren for a few more cycles, add in something if you want such as tbol, nice clean gains, or just mess with your test dose a bit and see how that works for you.

[charger69]

No I dont take NAC and TUDCA but it looks like I should be. I'm checking it out now. I see so many goofy liver support, test booster, estrogen blocker etc supplements on the shelf at the supplement store. I dont have a lot of faith in most of those products cuz I think most are probably hype. It's like if they put the words "cycle" or "PCT" on a bottle of something at GNC they sell the hell.out of it. But if your saying NAC and TUDCA are the real deal I check it out. Because I need it

A lot of people use NAC offcycle also for liver care.
I will tell you that NAC and TUDCA still can’t fight the effects of HALO. I took bloods after 2 weeks off of HALO and the numbers were sky high on my liver. They are now back to normal.



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[kelkel]

Gearhead I thought about DBOL originally but I have some liver issues so figured I'd stay clear of orals.

Exactly what type of liver issues?

[GTtheGUY]

Liver issues are Hep C. My liver is healthy though. Viral load ok. No problems from it but hep C positive.

[KennyJ]

A lot of people use NAC offcycle also for liver care.
I will tell you that NAC and TUDCA still can’t fight the effects of HALO. I took bloods after 2 weeks off of HALO and the numbers were sky high on my liver. They are now back to normal.



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No hijacking intended but Charger, what is HALO?

[i_SLAM_cougars]

No hijacking intended but Charger, what is HALO?

https://www.steroid.com/Halotestin.php