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    Quote Originally Posted by Meloncap78 View Post
    Man I think it’s time to dial back the cals.......
    Lmao! I feel the same way some times when I look at just my stomach when I’m sitting like that! But then I quickly realize I actually need to eat more. Lol
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    Here's my take and I know you've gotten everyone throwing everything at you but if you are a hard gainer like me or at a plateau you need to say goodbye to your abs and just fucking eat everything everyday, I always find it next to impossible to gain muscle while trying to stay lean and actually counterproductive. These recomps and "lean muscle gain cycles " to me is bullshit it just doesn't work for me it's not in my genetics, maybe your in the same boat? You need to commit 100 percent to busting through your plateau by eating enough and training differently.

    Here's my quick pass at your routine as what I was getting at was you need to drop half your exercises and focus on the big barbell movements. 2 sets of deadlifts a week isn't enough. Drop all the one arm cables and dbell isolations.

    Lift heavy ass weights at least 5 WORKING sets after 1 to 2 warmup and then move onto another compound exercise. If your doing it right you won't have the energy to do more than 4 big compound exercises then tack on a barbell curl or dbell press or cable movement or two. Ideally you want to doing Squats, deadlifts, bench press, chin-up and shoulder press twice a week. Your arms and axilliary muscles will grow just from these compound movements of heavy weight. You aren't at a level where you need to focus so much time and effort on things like biceps, triceps and particular deltoid heads. I find most of us aren't and waste too much time on them because it's what the magazines or bodybuilding pros do. They are at that level. This comes later when you want to bring ahead weak point areas or after that solid base is built.

    The way I see your layout currently you have so many exercises and many of them isolation with too few hard working sets. The reverse pyramid style your utilizing has your first sets looking like an easy warmup, 2nd set not bad then third is the first probably real hard set but then you move on. I spun my wheels doing this for a long time. When I switched to the style of training I've highlighted it worked wonders for getting bulky and thick. You don't need to do face pulls and upright rows if your deadlifting 400 500 lbs for 10 heavy working sets a week and then doing chins and pulldowns and heavy rows. My back, rear delts, traps and lats all experienced growth I havnt had since I started out from this, before and during my cycle.

    Lastly maybe test isn't the compound for you and as many have said here it's only the most basic steroid , there are lots of others you can drop in to extend your cycle and illicit growth and then plan for the next one with a low test as only a base mixed with other compounds you might respond to better.

    Anyway that's my two cents hope it helps and Goodluck man I'm rooting for you!
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    I am curious if it is possible to be on a gram and a half of gear, training hard and eating big all while staying the same weight and losing muscle while gaining fat.

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    Anything's possible, I guess. I took a week off lifting and I look like before I started steroids lol... Gains ain't loyal.

    Here's what I'm planning for my next cycle: no Arimidex . If I run into issues, I'll take nolva. I will let my estrogen run loose and see if that makes a difference. So far I've been taking an AI from the beginning with each cycle. Curious if you were running Adex as well throughout your cycles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Anything's possible, I guess. I took a week off lifting and I look like before I started steroids lol... Gains ain't loyal.

    Here's what I'm planning for my next cycle: no Arimidex. If I run into issues, I'll take nolva. I will let my estrogen run loose and see if that makes a difference. So far I've been taking an AI from the beginning with each cycle. Curious if you were running Adex as well throughout your cycles?
    No AI other than erase pro in which case you might as well say no AI. I did read that EQ will counteract aromatization from test. Not sire about the facts on this though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meloncap78 View Post
    I am curious if it is possible to be on a gram and a half of gear, training hard and eating big all while staying the same weight and losing muscle while gaining fat.
    I would say only if your test is fake...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meloncap78 View Post
    No AI other than erase pro in which case you might as well say no AI. I did read that EQ will counteract aromatization from test. Not sire about the facts on this though.
    GH says eq is anti estrogenic . He did a good post explaining it. You’ll find it somewhere in the pct threads I think. I’ll dig it out if you can’t find it.
    A lot will say that it’s half as estrogeic as test as that’s what the profile on steroid .com says.

    But as far as I’m concerned gh word is gospel...

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    And if your really stuck send him a pm ask home how much he costs for 1on1.

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    Final update for this cycle. 4.5 months on 600mg test cyp and 600mg EQ. In the end I gained about 4-4.5 pounds and look quite a bit softer. In my final stretch I was at 4600 calories daily. Totaling about 650G carbs, 290G protein and 120 grams of fat. I gained a bit of strength but started to feel like shit overall in the past month. My arms and chest are the same size exactly as before starting. Quads grew almost an inch and calves are the same. Waist went up about an inch and a half. All in all I feel like it was a big fail and a waste of $. The lesson I will take away from this cycle is that Test and EQ are useless substances for me for putting on mass. The thing that gets me though is that even without gear I should’ve gotten more out of all this food and intense training I have been putting under my belt in the past almost 5 months. My fkin body composition just wont drastically change, not even a minuscule difference. I feel like I need to step back and look at my training approach and perhaps diet before thinking about putting more substances in my body. I will say my bench went up to 275 for a single, squat is at 340 for a single and I pulled 440 on dead. For me these aren’t small numbers so I obviously was doing something right to achieve strength gains. Why the size doesn’t follow is beyond me. I am sure that I am at my peak as far as CNS adaptation for strength therefore I will need to pack on more mass to progress strength wise. I don’t see a 315 pound bench or a 500 pound dead being 6’2 190.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meloncap78 View Post
    Final update for this cycle. 4.5 months on 600mg test cyp and 600mg EQ. In the end I gained about 4-4.5 pounds and look quite a bit softer. In my final stretch I was at 4600 calories daily. Totaling about 650G carbs, 290G protein and 120 grams of fat. I gained a bit of strength but started to feel like shit overall in the past month. My arms and chest are the same size exactly as before starting. Quads grew almost an inch and calves are the same. Waist went up about an inch and a half. All in all I feel like it was a big fail and a waste of $. The lesson I will take away from this cycle is that Test and EQ are useless substances for me for putting on mass. The thing that gets me though is that even without gear I shouldíve gotten more out of all this food and intense training I have been putting under my belt in the past almost 5 months. My fkin body composition just wont drastically change, not even a minuscule difference. I feel like I need to step back and look at my training approach and perhaps diet before thinking about putting more substances in my body. I will say my bench went up to 275 for a single, squat is at 340 for a single and I pulled 440 on dead. For me these arenít small numbers so I obviously was doing something right to achieve strength gains. Why the size doesnít follow is beyond me. I am sure that I am at my peak as far as CNS adaptation for strength therefore I will need to pack on more mass to progress strength wise. I donít see a 315 pound bench or a 500 pound dead being 6í2 190.
    1) 4800 calories isn't enough for you, should've been 5500 or higher based on information provided

    2) seems like you had very unrealistic expectations using a base compound (Test) at a moderate dosage, paired with a weak steroid (EQ) at also a moderate dosage

    3) Macro split is not optimized. 290grams of protein is not necessary at 190lbs. Should've put those calories into more carbs. Carbs generate growth. Might've been too high fat too.

    4) All the calories in the world don't matter if your body has no way to assimilate them - this comes from micronutrients. Paying attention to only macros is missing 90% of your diet.

    It's unfortunately a classic example of why diet, training and sleep trump everything else. Don't know your exact food choices but can easily tell you didn't eat enough and probably the wrong foods as well.

    I would invest more time in diet before cycling again and you will have more success in the future when you master eating first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    1) 4800 calories isn't enough for you, should've been 5500 or higher based on information provided

    2) seems like you had very unrealistic expectations using a base compound (Test) at a moderate dosage, paired with a weak steroid (EQ) at also a moderate dosage

    3) Macro split is not optimized. 290grams of protein is not necessary at 190lbs. Should've put those calories into more carbs. Carbs generate growth. Might've been too high fat too.

    4) All the calories in the world don't matter if your body has no way to assimilate them - this comes from micronutrients. Paying attention to only macros is missing 90% of your diet.

    It's unfortunately a classic example of why diet, training and sleep trump everything else. Don't know your exact food choices but can easily tell you didn't eat enough and probably the wrong foods as well.

    I would invest more time in diet before cycling again and you will have more success in the future when you master eating first.
    4.5lbs in 4.5 months, assuming it's pure muscle isn't bad
    I think 12lbs a year of stage weight is good.
    Problem is, I don't think it's pure muscle

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer View Post
    4.5lbs in 4.5 months, assuming it's pure muscle isn't bad
    I think 12lbs a year of stage weight is good.
    Problem is, I don't think it's pure muscle

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    Yeah but itís probably all water weight. I mean people tend to put on 10 lbs in just water weight in a cycle. Especially if he said he looks softer and his waist grew. Iím with Meloncap on this one... steroids do jack shit for me too. Also Iím going to be eating less on my next cycle and fuck trying to put on more mass, Iím about 240 now. Iíll lose 15 lbs and be at 225, same as when I was 20. But, Iíll be leaner and look better.

    I think some people just respond better to steroids than others. There are idiots out there who know fuck all about diet and training and they put on 50 lbs on 500 mg test. Me, a veteran lifter who looks pretty big already, canít put on even 5 lbs on almost a gram of gear? and on top of that I feel like absolute garbage on cycle. So Iím keeping my cycles short, maybe even just one month. I only feel good the first couple of weeks of a cycle and after I finish. During, I feel like trash mostly. I havenít been to the gym in 3 weeks cause I got hemorrhoids (tmi) but it is what it is. I feel better about myself now than when Iím constantly obsessing over my body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Yeah but it’s probably all water weight. I mean people tend to put on 10 lbs in just water weight in a cycle. Especially if he said he looks softer and his waist grew. I’m with Meloncap on this one... steroids do jack shit for me too. Also I’m going to be eating less on my next cycle and fuck trying to put on more mass, I’m about 240 now. I’ll lose 15 lbs and be at 225, same as when I was 20. But, I’ll be leaner and look better.

    I think some people just respond better to steroids than others. There are idiots out there who know fuck all about diet and training and they put on 50 lbs on 500 mg test. Me, a veteran lifter who looks pretty big already, can’t put on even 5 lbs on almost a gram of gear? and on top of that I feel like absolute garbage on cycle. So I’m keeping my cycles short, maybe even just one month. I only feel good the first couple of weeks of a cycle and after I finish. During, I feel like trash mostly. I haven’t been to the gym in 3 weeks cause I got hemorrhoids (tmi) but it is what it is. I feel better about myself now than when I’m constantly obsessing over my body.
    2 weeks back at TRT dose and I already have more energy and my sleep is better. I feel the need to do a small cut now. I am already down to 189 but look quite a bit softer that when I first started which is odd. I hope it isn’t possible that I lost lean tissue and gained fat while on cycle. I don’t see how that could be scientifically doable lol. I was dealt a body that is genetically garbage when it comes to adding any size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meloncap78 View Post
    2 weeks back at TRT dose and I already have more energy and my sleep is better. I feel the need to do a small cut now. I am already down to 189 but look quite a bit softer that when I first started which is odd. I hope it isn’t possible that I lost lean tissue and gained fat while on cycle. I don’t see how that could be scientifically doable lol. I was dealt a body that is genetically garbage when it comes to adding any size.
    I've also been dropping my calories and I already lost about 7 lbs and I look better. Haven't worked out in over month. Feel better than when I was on gear for sure. It's funny, literally everything I heard about steroids is opposite of what I experienced. The huge gains, the euphoria, the feeling invincible. I just felt like shit the entire time. Don't now why I even bother. I guess it's my addictive side/perseverance/quest for perfection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meloncap78 View Post
    2 weeks back at TRT dose and I already have more energy and my sleep is better. I feel the need to do a small cut now. I am already down to 189 but look quite a bit softer that when I first started which is odd. I hope it isn’t possible that I lost lean tissue and gained fat while on cycle. I don’t see how that could be scientifically doable lol. I was dealt a body that is genetically garbage when it comes to adding any size.
    Again - your diet was the problem (and maybe more). Steroids are not a catch all - they do almost nothing when everything else is not in place.

    Gaining fat and losing muscle is certainly possible on steroids.

    Your Macross :
    290protein
    650carbs
    120fats

    My Macros:
    170ish protein
    920grams carbs
    80 fats

    Not saying my macros are better but there is also micronutrients. Like I said before your calories were too low and if micronutrients were up to par then the rest doesn't matter

    Fats have diminishing returns. If you want gain muscle you need carbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post

    My Macros:
    170ish protein
    920grams carbs
    80 fats
    Are these your Macros on cycle? Or during your HRT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    Are these your Macros on cycle? Or during your HRT?
    Cycle/Blast
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Again - your diet was the problem (and maybe more). Steroids are not a catch all - they do almost nothing when everything else is not in place.

    Gaining fat and losing muscle is certainly possible on steroids.

    Your Macross :
    290protein
    650carbs
    120fats

    My Macros:
    170ish protein
    920grams carbs
    80 fats

    Not saying my macros are better but there is also micronutrients. Like I said before your calories were too low and if micronutrients were up to par then the rest doesn't matter

    Fats have diminishing returns. If you want gain muscle you need carbs.
    Holy cow! I get bloating and water retention pretty bad on 650g carbs. I always feel logi, bloated and full and crash quite often with high carbs. On a side note I had igf-1 levels tested and it came back at 180 which says low in the chart. I am not quite sure what these results mean and what they can affect (read somewhere that this should be tested). I got the results in my portal and haven’t consulted with my primary about it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meloncap78 View Post
    Holy cow! I get bloating and water retention pretty bad on 650g carbs. I always feel logi, bloated and full and crash quite often with high carbs. On a side note I had igf-1 levels tested and it came back at 180 which says low in the chart. I am not quite sure what these results mean and what they can affect (read somewhere that this should be tested). I got the results in my portal and haven’t consulted with my primary about it yet.
    180 is not low. It's average. In fact, it's good for longevity. My IGF-1 is over 350, probably why I was 250 lbs at 17% bf with a total testosterone of 470 ng/Dl. But I wish I could lower my IGF because it's not healthy to have it that high. I would trade you IGFs.

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