350mg test cutting cycle binging!

**morton30** · 05-22-2019, 04:29 PM

Hi every I have been on a 350mg test cutting cycle I can do 3 or 4 days cutting eating 1800cals a day doing full body 3-4 times a week doing 15 mins of jump rope a day but after 3 to 4 days I get extreme hunger to the point where I almost feel ill I get snappy and I end up binging yesterday I eat 6000cals a few weeks ago I started taking T5 eca but It just doesn't do anything for me is there any prescription or even herbal remedies out there that I can stack with eca to suppress apitite? Any help would be most appreciated.

**fiddlesticks** · 05-22-2019, 11:55 PM

your body is probably fucked from overtraining and insufficient calories over extended periods of time, in my experience when you are training very hard your body tends to enter a hard hibernation like state from time to time where you can barely move and feel terrible, i believe the scientific name of this is torpor and it sucks really bad. there really aren't any drugs that can physiologically stop this system from happening or even reduce how frequent it happens, you kind of just have to be totally fucking crazy to be able to diet that hard lol. some pro bodybuilders have to do some absolutely insane strange rituals in order to get contest lean.

i would absolutely not take anything to suppress your appetite at that point. lots of times when calories go up (fat in particular) you seem to lose fat you can't lose while nearly starving yourself. also try to keep body temperature high as possible.

**Slacker78** · 05-23-2019, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by fiddlesticks

your body is probably fucked from overtraining and insufficient calories over extended periods of time, in my experience when you are training very hard your body tends to enter a hard hibernation like state from time to time where you can barely move and feel terrible, i believe the scientific name of this is torpor and it sucks really bad. there really aren't any drugs that can physiologically stop this system from happening or even reduce how frequent it happens, you kind of just have to be totally fucking crazy to be able to diet that hard lol. some pro bodybuilders have to do some absolutely insane strange rituals in order to get contest lean.

i would absolutely not take anything to suppress your appetite at that point. lots of times when calories go up (fat in particular) you seem to lose fat you can't lose while nearly starving yourself. also try to keep body temperature high as possible.

Absolutely agree.

**HoldMyBeer** · 05-23-2019, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by fiddlesticks

your body is probably fucked from overtraining and insufficient calories over extended periods of time, in my experience when you are training very hard your body tends to enter a hard hibernation like state from time to time where you can barely move and feel terrible, i believe the scientific name of this is torpor and it sucks really bad. there really aren't any drugs that can physiologically stop this system from happening or even reduce how frequent it happens, you kind of just have to be totally fucking crazy to be able to diet that hard lol. some pro bodybuilders have to do some absolutely insane strange rituals in order to get contest lean.

i would absolutely not take anything to suppress your appetite at that point. lots of times when calories go up (fat in particular) you seem to lose fat you can't lose while nearly starving yourself. also try to keep body temperature high as possible.

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You're in too large of a calorie deficit. 1800 MIGHT be okay on a rest day (still low), but definitely not on a gym day.

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**GearHeaded** · 05-23-2019, 06:00 AM

Yep your calorie deficit is too much for your current recovery needs. . you can use online calculators to figure out your Basal Metabolic Rate as well as your TDEE (total daily energy expenditure) and have a good rough idea what your total calorie needs are on training days. you may be surprised to find out that just to maintain you need 2900 cals per day,, yet here you are dropping it down to 1800 for multiple days on end.
you only need to be in about a 500 cal per day deficit to burn fat.

also try adjusting your diet to have built in 'high days' and 'low days'. this will help end the binge cravings and keep you on track.

**5millionbucks** · 05-23-2019, 09:56 AM

Quick question; while running test wouldn't your overall expenditure go up or is that a myth? Cause ever since I've been running 250mg test a week; I tried to cut for first 5 weeks and shit just went haywire especially doing cardio and working out 5 times a week; binging on and off too; so now I'm just like fuck it going to try to lean bulk for rest of the cycle.

**GearHeaded** · 05-23-2019, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by 5millionbucks

Quick question; while running test wouldn't your overall expenditure go up or is that a myth? Cause ever since I've been running 250mg test a week; I tried to cut for first 5 weeks and shit just went haywire especially doing cardio and working out 5 times a week; binging on and off too; so now I'm just like fuck it going to try to lean bulk for rest of the cycle.

androgens stimulate the nervous system.. if your TDEE per day is 2500 cals when off cycle, then when on cycle and your androgens are high enough your TDEE will go up to say 2800 cals.. one reason why tren , being a super powerful androgen, is a great AAS to use when cutting (but also why some people have a hard time bulking on tren).
however, low dose test does not really provide all that much androgen load. probably not much effect on the nervous system tell you get to 800mg+ per week.

I've ran 2000mg test per week along with 1000mg of tren and 500mg of mast.. thats an androgen load of like 7500mg per week. that was intense. my TDEE probably went up 1000 cals just cause my nervous system was off the charts . also didn't sleep for 2 weeks

**Couchlockd** · 05-23-2019, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

androgens stimulate the nervous system.. if your TDEE per day is 2500 cals when off cycle, then when on cycle and your androgens are high enough your TDEE will go up to say 2800 cals.. one reason why tren , being a super powerful androgen, is a great AAS to use when cutting (but also why some people have a hard time bulking on tren).
however, low dose test does not really provide all that much androgen load. probably not much effect on the nervous system tell you get to 800mg+ per week.

I've ran 2000mg test per week along with 1000mg of tren and 500mg of mast.. thats an androgen load of like 7500mg per week. that was intense. my TDEE probably went up 1000 cals just cause my nervous system was off the charts . also didn't sleep for 2 weeks

So what's the deal with no sleeping? I'm having a very hard time sleeping. Is there anything other than Valium (not a fan of actual sleeping pills) that can help?

Also I always wondered, is it better to cut back to reduce insomnia to get recovery or does the drugs that high compensate?

**GearHeaded** · 05-23-2019, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

So what's the deal with no sleeping? I'm having a very hard time sleeping. Is there anything other than Valium (not a fan of actual sleeping pills) that can help?

Also I always wondered, is it better to cut back to reduce insomnia to get recovery or does the drugs that high compensate?

whats your current cycle look like? is the androgen load fairly high? if it is then your nervous system is overly stimulated and you can't shut your brain off and relax, your kinda always stuck with the nervous system in a sympathetic state (fight or flight) rather then a parasympathetic state (rest and chill). being this is a chemical thing happening in the brain (androgen receptors are being stimulated because of the AAS) there is nothing you can really do to offset it .. you can't magically remove a bunch of androgens out of your brain. meditation, deep breathing, etc. will not work .
you'll have to generate a "band aide" type cure until you get off the high dosages of androgens.. you'll have to fight drugs with drugs to mask your symptoms .. so perhaps 50mg of Benadryl before bed, vape some indica , etc..

the real cure is to set up cycles so that they are not too androgenic or if your in need of a high androgen phase in your cycle (example being a body builder getting ready to step on stage needs to be in a cycle that is highly androgenic) then be sure to just limit the time frame.
When I ran the high dose test and tren and had my androgens through the roof , I only did that for 3 weeks (was simply to promote androgen receptor density increases) .. and yes the lack of sleep can hinder your recovery to such a degree that your gains cease despite the high dosages of gear . 3 weeks is the max that I'd say you'd want to be in this state.

an example of switching your cycle up so that you don't have so much androgen load would be this--
lets say your on a gram of test with 500mg deca .. thats an androgen load of 1000. well switch that around to say a gram of primo with 500mg of deca and trt dose of test. thats an androgen load of only 150 yet its just as anabolic as previous cycle.

having said all that ,, your sleep issue may very well be completely unrelated to your cycle lol

**Couchlockd** · 05-24-2019, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

whats your current cycle look like? is the androgen load fairly high? if it is then your nervous system is overly stimulated and you can't shut your brain off and relax, your kinda always stuck with the nervous system in a sympathetic state (fight or flight) rather then a parasympathetic state (rest and chill). being this is a chemical thing happening in the brain (androgen receptors are being stimulated because of the AAS) there is nothing you can really do to offset it .. you can't magically remove a bunch of androgens out of your brain. meditation, deep breathing, etc. will not work .
you'll have to generate a "band aide" type cure until you get off the high dosages of androgens.. you'll have to fight drugs with drugs to mask your symptoms .. so perhaps 50mg of Benadryl before bed, vape some indica , etc..

the real cure is to set up cycles so that they are not too androgenic or if your in need of a high androgen phase in your cycle (example being a body builder getting ready to step on stage needs to be in a cycle that is highly androgenic) then be sure to just limit the time frame.
When I ran the high dose test and tren and had my androgens through the roof , I only did that for 3 weeks (was simply to promote androgen receptor density increases) .. and yes the lack of sleep can hinder your recovery to such a degree that your gains cease despite the high dosages of gear . 3 weeks is the max that I'd say you'd want to be in this state.

an example of switching your cycle up so that you don't have so much androgen load would be this--
lets say your on a gram of test with 500mg deca .. thats an androgen load of 1000. well switch that around to say a gram of primo with 500mg of deca and trt dose of test. thats an androgen load of only 150 yet its just as anabolic as previous cycle.

having said all that ,, your sleep issue may very well be completely unrelated to your cycle lol

I think it's more stress than drugs.

But
200mg test e
600 primo
600 mast
350 var
440 boldenone cypionate .
30mg Gw501516

No AI of course

**fiddlesticks** · 05-25-2019, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

So what's the deal with no sleeping? I'm having a very hard time sleeping. Is there anything other than Valium (not a fan of actual sleeping pills) that can help?

Also I always wondered, is it better to cut back to reduce insomnia to get recovery or does the drugs that high compensate?

an absolutely guaranteed way to assure you WONT sleep is fucked up ambient temperature, too hot or too cold and forget about it, in ohio this really is problematic. excessive cold is really not fun at all.

maybe it is just me but if my day is going shitty I notice in general I'm way more susceptible to any thermal discomfort so that amplifies that issue.

**Couchlockd** · 05-26-2019, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by fiddlesticks

an absolutely guaranteed way to assure you WONT sleep is fucked up ambient temperature, too hot or too cold and forget about it, in ohio this really is problematic. excessive cold is really not fun at all.

maybe it is just me but if my day is going shitty I notice in general I'm way more susceptible to any thermal discomfort so that amplifies that issue.

Yes damn straight

I got a big Central ac 3 ton.

But nights been freezing so I turn it off. Then come morning I'm drenchrd

**Littlearnie** · 05-26-2019, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

So what's the deal with no sleeping? I'm having a very hard time sleeping. Is there anything other than Valium (not a fan of actual sleeping pills) that can help?

Also I always wondered, is it better to cut back to reduce insomnia to get recovery or does the drugs that high compensate?

Have a spliff! Much better than any pill...

**Windex** · 05-26-2019, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

So what's the deal with no sleeping? I'm having a very hard time sleeping. Is there anything other than Valium (not a fan of actual sleeping pills) that can help?

Also I always wondered, is it better to cut back to reduce insomnia to get recovery or does the drugs that high compensate?

Alternative drugs : Gabapentin and Seroquel.

OTC Sleep Stack, Kitchen Sink Edition;

300mg Magnesium (titrate up to this dose), use powder not capsule in hot water
100mg Magnesium Glycinate (capsule)
250mg L Theanine
1000mg Valerian
3mg Melatonin Sublingual
3mg Melatonin Timed-release
Sleepy Tea (any brand ; chamomillie, passionflower, etc) - steep with magnesium powder hot water.
100mg CBD

**fiddlesticks** · 05-26-2019, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

Yes damn straight

I got a big Central ac 3 ton.

But nights been freezing so I turn it off. Then come morning I'm drenchrd

If this summer is anything like the disgusting summer of 2016 ( I stayed up for 4 days because I could absolutely not sleep at one point ) I'm putting a fucking air conditioner in my freezing basement lmao. Yesterday it was about 90 and there was a 6ft snake in my lawn that I thought was a hose, and now its 60 degrees as I'm typing this, what a weird state.