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    Cycling while on TRT

    Was wondering if being on TRT (seeing as there is already exogenous testosterone in your system) and blasting with another long ester test, would the cycle effects come on faster? Instead of the normal week 5-8.

    I remember reading a post way back that a member had made a chart, showing testosterone saturation levels by the week while on cycle. The debate was over front loading vs not.. thought this might some what have the same concept.

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    So you would already have a base level w the trt
    On the other hand, I don't think your natural production completely shuts down immediately anyways
    I would think it's a wash, or the difference is negligible
    The difference is really on the other end whether or not you have to pct
    As far as front loading, if your levels (for example) are 2500 vs taking a few weeks to build up to 3k... If had 2 people who one always front loaded, and the other didn't, I doubt you would see a difference in physique 10 years later

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krb367 View Post
    Was wondering if being on TRT (seeing as there is already exogenous testosterone in your system) and blasting with another long ester test, would the cycle effects come on faster? Instead of the normal week 5-8.

    I remember reading a post way back that a member had made a chart, showing testosterone saturation levels by the week while on cycle. The debate was over front loading vs not.. thought this might some what have the same concept.
    If youíre already running a long ester, i.e. cyp or enth and have your levels already elevated going into blast mode, it makes sense that you would hit supraphysiologic levels faster versus someone with a much lower baseline. Which is what I think youíre asking? You would already be partly front loaded, you would have a higher trough going in

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    From my experience, and in my opinion, there is no difference.

    If you are natty and producing 800 ng/dL of testosterone , or if you are on TRT and are around the same level, you’re body doesn’t know the difference. The advantage to TRT is that when you add additional testosterone, that TRT level you had before hand will still be maintained, whereas your natural production will slowly drop to 0. So, theoretically, it would take a little more testosterone if you were cycling and not on TRT to match someone who is on TRT and adds the same dose of exogenous test. However there is also the theory that someone not on TRT will respond better to the exogenous hormone. At the end of the day I don’t think it makes a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    If you’re already running a long ester, i.e. cyp or enth and have your levels already elevated going into blast mode, it makes sense that you would hit supraphysiologic levels faster versus someone with a much lower baseline. Which is what I think you’re asking? You would already be partly front loaded, you would have a higher trough going in
    Yes! Exactly what I’m trying to figure out. Bloodwork with my doctor is every 12 weeks. Trying to find out if I was to blast on a long ester if it would be a waste or not.. by the time (in a normal test cycle) it was ramping up, I’d have to cut it out to get back down to my TRT levels. At least in my experience. 500mg/week pre TRT, it wasn’t until week 6 or 7 when I really was like oh fuck. Strength and appearance would be in full swing

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    I shouldíve put my blood work schedule in the first post, mightíve helped more with yalls replies..

    Basically prop vs cyp. I know the prop will obviously kick in A LOT quicker, but if I stay with my E3.5D pins and not be a complete waste that would be preferable. EOD out at work becomes more of a hassle with my schedule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krb367 View Post
    Yes! Exactly what I’m trying to figure out. Bloodwork with my doctor is every 12 weeks. Trying to find out if I was to blast on a long ester if it would be a waste or not.. by the time (in a normal test cycle) it was ramping up, I’d have to cut it out to get back down to my TRT levels. At least in my experience. 500mg/week pre TRT, it wasn’t until week 6 or 7 when I really was like oh fuck. Strength and appearance would be in full swing

    In my opinion you’ll get there quicker, because I’ve done it and felt the effects much faster than when not on TRT...anecdotal of course. Your problem is 12 weeks is way too close and you have to return to baseline in time for your labs to read in the normal range. Know you don’t want to, but prop is going to be your best bet but it’s also a bit of a gamble titrating back to the long ester and falling in normal ranges. Did you just recently start TRT? 12 week labs are really close. If so, maybe wait until you clear the 12 week call backs and see if he moves you to 12 months (my doc started me identically but then after 3 checkups switched me to yearly). Not worth it to piss him off and have him stop your care. Could also just run a different compound (tren /Deca ) and keep your test at TRT doses. Just a thought
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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    In my opinion you’ll get there quicker, because I’ve done it and felt the effects much faster than when not on TRT...anecdotal of course. Your problem is 12 weeks is way too close and you have to return to baseline in time for your labs to read in the normal range. Know you don’t want to, but prop is going to be your best bet but it’s also a bit of a gamble titrating back to the long ester and falling in normal ranges. Did you just recently start TRT? 12 week labs are really close. If so, maybe wait until you clear the 12 week call backs and see if he moves you to 12 months (my doc started me identically but then after 3 checkups switched me to yearly). Not worth it to piss him off and have him stop your care. Could also just run a different compound (tren/Deca) and keep your test at TRT doses. Just a thought
    No actually it’s been over a year! Lol I go in this month and I’m gonna ask him about changing it to every 6 months. Ive been researching for the past few nights. EQ, mast, deca and tren . One of the above thrown in with TRT. Trying to determine which seems to be the most beneficial with keeping my blood work from being too thrown off.. he checks the normal TT, FT, e2, WBC, RBC, Hemo and Hema.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krb367 View Post
    No actually it’s been over a year! Lol I go in this month and I’m gonna ask him about changing it to every 6 months. Ive been researching for the past few nights. EQ, mast, deca and tren. One of the above thrown in with TRT. Trying to determine which seems to be the most beneficial with keeping my blood work from being too thrown off.. he checks the normal TT, FT, e2, WBC, RBC, Hemo and Hema.

    Man, he’s on it huh? Seems like overkill but whatever. 6 months seems reasonable to say the least.
    I can tell you I’ve run tren while on TRT and had labs pulled during my yearly (bad timing on my part). My doc checks all the same things (extremely comprehensive) and the only thing he stated was my cholesterol levels were off and my BP was elevated...I was able to brush it off as work stress. He was cool with it but recommended some lifestyle modifications which I gladly accepted
    Not saying it’ll be the same for you with regards to your labs or your docs understanding but thought it was worth sharing. Manipulating your test levels with checkups every 3 months is going to be tough (maybe some other guys can chime in with that schedule. Would suggest keeping test levels the same and let another compound do the heavy lifting while not throwing off your values. Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krb367 View Post
    I should’ve put my blood work schedule in the first post, might’ve helped more with yalls replies..

    Basically prop vs cyp. I know the prop will obviously kick in A LOT quicker, but if I stay with my E3.5D pins and not be a complete waste that would be preferable. EOD out at work becomes more of a hassle with my schedule.
    Prop is a waste if you can't pin every day in my opinion. Even pinning prop every other day still causes peaks/valleys and doesn't produce stable levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krb367 View Post
    No actually it’s been over a year! Lol I go in this month and I’m gonna ask him about changing it to every 6 months. Ive been researching for the past few nights. EQ, mast, deca and tren. One of the above thrown in with TRT. Trying to determine which seems to be the most beneficial with keeping my blood work from being too thrown off.. he checks the normal TT, FT, e2, WBC, RBC, Hemo and Hema.

    You can't use deca if your getting Test levels checked because Deca will inflate them (talking like 3000ng with only 150mg of Deca).

    Depending on how they do the E2 calculation, the Tren will skyrocket E2. They may even do a double take on your gender.

    EQ will elevate all your blood levels.

    Masteron and Primobolan would be safe.


    This is all assuming you don't get changed to a 6 month bloodwork schedule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    You can't use deca if your getting Test levels checked because Deca will inflate them (talking like 3000ng with only 150mg of Deca).

    Depending on how they do the E2 calculation, the Tren will skyrocket E2. They may even do a double take on your gender.

    EQ will elevate all your blood levels.

    Masteron and Primobolan would be safe.


    This is all assuming you don't get changed to a 6 month bloodwork schedule.
    I haven’t done much research on primo, I’ll have to look in to it. A lot of what I’ve read has pointed me towards mast, just unsure if I have low enough body fat? Everyone seems to say 10%~ is the real sweet spot to really notice the aesthetic side of it. I’ve never had it checked before.. I’ll see if I can’t find a photo of where I’m at rn. Maybe someone can give me a ballpark guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krb367 View Post
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    You’re lean as shit bud, nice work. I’d say you’re close to the 10% range. I’m running Mast P (400 a week) for the first time and am noticing some hardness for sure, not sure I’m blown away yet though. Only at week 3 with it and also have it alongside tren at 400. First time with Mast for me. If you decide to go that way, body fat isn’t going to be an issue for you
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    That’s genetic leanness right there. No diet required.
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    your going to be better off just leaving your TRT dialed in where its at, and if you decide to run a cycle simply add an anabolic steroid to your TRT. don't matter wither its a short ester, long ester, or an oral. things like Primo, Var, Eq, etc. are not going to effect your test levels or blood work too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    That’s genetic leanness right there. No diet required.
    Yes it is lol. Naturally lean af, which is a blessing and a curse. Summer time is great, I can be super lenient with my diet and still look half ass decent. Bulk season is the hardest. I miss one of my planned meals for the day and I’ll drop 5lbs lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    your going to be better off just leaving your TRT dialed in where its at, and if you decide to run a cycle simply add an anabolic steroid to your TRT. don't matter wither its a short ester, long ester, or an oral. things like Primo, Var, Eq, etc. are not going to effect your test levels or blood work too much.
    I feel like a fucking groupie rn. I’ve been hopeful you would chime in.. searching over the forum the past two weeks, I’ve been coming across your replies to posts and they’re always knowledgeable to say the least.

    So you think as long as I add an anabolic compound, versus a more androgenic I shouldn’t raise any flags?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krb367 View Post
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    I feel like a fucking groupie rn. I’ve been hopeful you would chime in.. searching over the forum the past two weeks, I’ve been coming across your replies to posts and they’re always knowledgeable to say the least.

    So you think as long as I add an anabolic compound, versus a more androgenic I shouldn’t raise any flags?
    you can always attempt to time your cycles around when your TRT doc requires blood work.. but yeah if you run non estrogenic anabolics added to your current TRT protocol you'll have much less effects on blood work. plus Anabolics work great added to TRT.

    heres some info
    - Deca or Tren can drastically alter blood work dependent on the method of testing the blood draw lab uses.. deca will throw a false positive for super high Test levels (I'm talking 8000+ ng/dl), Tren on the other hand can throw a super high false positive for high estrogen levels

    - Dbol will raise estrogen levels quite a bit (great for growth if thats what your after, but again will effect bloods significantly). high dose test is the same, both estrogen and androgens will go way up

    - Masteron , on paper its not all that androgenic , but in real world use it very much acts like a strong androgen in the body.. yet won't alter blood work much at all . this can be added to TRT for more androgen load without having to increase your test dosage.
    - most the other DHT based anabolics, like VAR, Primo, Winstrol , will also not effect blood work much. but like Mast they can effect SHBG (lower it) and show a bit higher total free test (this is not a bad thing). you would likely get a bit of an increase in DHT levels though (SHBG binds DHT more strongly then it does test)

    EQ.. very little effects on blood work. would mainly be working in the background along side your TRT and simply increasing protein syntheses.


    of course there are some genetic things you may have going on that could show up on blood work from any number of compounds.. like increased Hematocrit, elevated liver enzymes, drop in HDL cholesterol... these things generally clear up right away when coming off the drugs.
    But I'm mainly talking about the drugs that don't effect your TRT based blood work (mainly your hormone panel.. thats what your doc is trying to get dialed in for you). but something like a massive drop in HDL cholesterol would not go un noticed by your doc.


    anyhow, all this is just to say that in my opinion, adding anabolics to a TRT protocol is more effective then simply upping your TRT dosage of test. If gains are what your mainly after.
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