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Thread: Anadrol added to my TREN/TEST/MAST cycle.... YAY OR NAY why or why not?

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    Anadrol added to my TREN/TEST/MAST cycle.... YAY OR NAY why or why not?

    Hey guys let me briefly run down the current cycle i'm on

    week 1-10 tren ace 350mg / week ED injections
    week 1-6 mast p 350mg / week ed injections
    week 1-16 test p 350mg / week ed injections
    week 7-11 mast p 700mg / week ed
    week 7-11 anadrol ?? 50-80mg ed


    Regarding the abombs.... anybody have opinions on adding abombs toward the end of my tren? Thanks!

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    Depends on how much that tren kicks your livers ass. If your 6 week bloods are good/reasonable, go ahead.
    Why are you running the test from 11-16 just by itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer View Post
    Depends on how much that tren kicks your livers ass. If your 6 week bloods are good/reasonable, go ahead.
    Why are you running the test from 11-16 just by itself?
    Thanks for the reply! I'm probably going to be running VAR for the last 4 weeks with test... Also I was thinking (instead of coming off at week 12.... why not just keep the test going a bit longer? I also am switching esters around week 10 to test enanthate so please excute the later part of my cycle not being fullyl accurate. The main question is regarding anadrol the last 4 weeks I'm running tren, is that a good addition if blood work looks good? I just hear different things about 'bulking, water retention.. etc.' in regards to anadrol. I guess I just need to try and report back here! Thanks again

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    Anadrol works great with low dose Tren . just keep in mind that the Tren as a progestin based compound has you very sensitized to estrogen, and Anadrol, though it does not convert to estrogen, does bind and interact with estrogen receptors and will illicit estrogen effects (which is totally fine unless your at all prone to gyno) . but you already have the masteron in there, which is definitely going to help with this, BUT you may also need to add a low dose SERM like Nolva when you add the Anadrol. 10mg of Nolva per day should do the trick

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    If you plan on running Var i would say save it for next time. Your organs will be pretty taxed from 10 weeks of tren i know var isnt very toxic at all, drol really makes alot of red blood cells to the best of my knowledge...id be weary but then again im a pussy . If you want to run it run it, my opinion the gains wouldnt be worth it

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer View Post
    Depends on how much that tren kicks your livers ass. If your 6 week bloods are good/reasonable, go ahead.
    Why are you running the test from 11-16 just by itself?
    Everyone talks about Tren beating up your liver, but it’s not C17AA, so from the research I’ve seen it’s not very hepatotoxic at all, and doesn’t seem to be at all until you’re running over a gram a week. Am I missing something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    Everyone talks about Tren beating up your liver, but it’s not C17AA, so from the research I’ve seen it’s not very hepatotoxic at all, and doesn’t seem to be at all until you’re running over a gram a week. Am I missing something?
    Methyl-Tren is hepatoxic . but thats an entirely different drug then tren ace, even though it has the word tren it . just like Dbol is just C17 EQ, but that changes the drug big time.
    Tren e and ace are not directly liver toxic, though the liver is going to have to process them.

    the thing is , most AAS are not really all that liver toxic. even a lot of the orals. now sure you will likely get elevated liver enzymes while running Dbol. but thats what your liver is supposed to do. its like saying its bad for a sponge to get wet cause its gonna soak up all the water ,, umm thats its job. same with the liver. its supposed to process toxins.

    I think hepatoxicity of steroid use is quite exaggerated and we really aren't doing much harm to our livers. you don't hear of guys like Jay Cutler, who ran gear for 20 years straight, suffering from liver problems later on in life. you rarely hear of liver issues in bodybuilders (kidney and heart, yes).

    unless your an idiot abuser who is going to run 400mg of Anadrol per day for a year straight ,, I wouldn't overly concern myself with liver issues with responsible AAS use.


    note: now there are a few drugs out there that are an exception, like Methyl Tren, Halo, and Cheque drops ,, but if abused can cause issues. but most the drugs out there are fairly safe in regards to the liver.
    and yes, liver enzymes are going to go up when the liver is processing something like a C17 . but thats whats supposed to happen. this isn't just with steroids either ,, tons of drugs out there people take daily are c17 and do this. even plenty of OTC drugs
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    Everyone talks about Tren beating up your liver, but itís not C17AA, so from the research Iíve seen itís not very hepatotoxic at all, and doesnít seem to be at all until youíre running over a gram a week. Am I missing something?
    Not very hepatotoxic, and not hepatotoxic are two different things. I didn't say don't do it, I just said if your bloodwork is reasonable
    I have run tren and felt like absolute shit the last quarter of the cycle, there was no way adding an oral would have been a good idea. But it's dependant and the person, their health, what else they're running, etc. So I try to not make blanket statements and say, "yes you should do that, it will be fine." If he said he was running test and primo, I would not have added that disclaimer
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    Methyl-Tren is hepatoxic . but thats an entirely different drug then tren ace, even though it has the word tren it . just like Dbol is just C17 EQ, but that changes the drug big time.
    Tren e and ace are not directly liver toxic, though the liver is going to have to process them.

    the thing is , most AAS are not really all that liver toxic. even a lot of the orals. now sure you will likely get elevated liver enzymes while running Dbol. but thats what your liver is supposed to do. its like saying its bad for a sponge to get wet cause its gonna soak up all the water ,, umm thats its job. same with the liver. its supposed to process toxins.

    I think hepatoxicity of steroid use is quite exaggerated and we really aren't doing much harm to our livers. you don't hear of guys like Jay Cutler, who ran gear for 20 years straight, suffering from liver problems later on in life. you rarely hear of liver issues in bodybuilders (kidney and heart, yes).

    unless your an idiot abuser who is going to run 400mg of Anadrol per day for a year straight ,, I wouldn't overly concern myself with liver issues with responsible AAS use.


    note: now there are a few drugs out there that are an exception, like Methyl Tren, Halo, and Cheque drops ,, but if abused can cause issues. but most the drugs out there are fairly safe in regards to the liver.
    and yes, liver enzymes are going to go up when the liver is processing something like a C17 . but thats whats supposed to happen. this isn't just with steroids either ,, tons of drugs out there people take daily are c17 and do this. even plenty of OTC drugs
    Thank you for the clarification. I take dbol a lot of the time as a preworkout, and my liver values are never really elevated, but I rarely drink alcohol anymore, so that probably makes up the difference.

    cheque drops... are those still around. Our coaches use to feed the football team and wrestlers those in high school before games and matches. Whooo those are fun if you need to kill something. Doubt they do much of anything for lean tissue building put they get a 10 out of 10 for aggressive qualities.
    If the military doesn’t take advantage of those, they’re missing out.

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    Anyways, not to derail your thread OP.

    Im a big fan of anadrol , but Iíve never run it on the back side of a cycle, only the front. So Iím gonna have to plead ignorance on this one.

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    wow thanks all you guys for the great opinions/information you have given me. I appreciate you guys taking your time to explain what you believe and already know.. It puts me at a 'I DON'T KNOW' if I'm going to add the anadrol now... So basically if I add the anadrol are you guys thinking I should not run the VAR anytime soon after the anadrol? I don't have to do ALL of my steroids at once but you know when you have a stock pile and start thinking too much, sometimes you can create ideas you think might be good and this is where I'm at with the anadrol lol. I will definitely keep you guys posted if or when I start and update you within this thread. If I do start I will probably pull 1.25cc from the vile 50mg/cc and drink it with my coffee each morning and a banana or something to go down with it.

    Any more advice or anyone else have .02 cents to chime in with feel free. Thanks again to you guys for helping me out and directing some great information my way...

    P.S. I'm tried Methyl tren before.... I was running it with T-Mos back in 2009 and we were PM'ing each other regarding our protocols and how it was working out for us. He was a real cool guy, very nice and informational. It sure put me in a shock when I found out he died and was gone so fast. RIP T-MOS Methyl-tren was absolutely INSANE, just not sure where or how to get it anymore! (maybe that's a good thing?)
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    1.25 cc anadrol engaged! as of this morning... I will wake up and take it with breakfast..... although I drank it raw before a chaser... I'm thinking I should mix it in a drink, that stuff burns for a bit! jeeze. Well I will keep you guys posted how it works out using it the final 4 weeks with my tren ace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tripmachine View Post
    1.25 cc anadrol engaged! as of this morning... I will wake up and take it with breakfast..... although I drank it raw before a chaser... I'm thinking I should mix it in a drink, that stuff burns for a bit! jeeze. Well I will keep you guys posted how it works out using it the final 4 weeks with my tren ace.
    I actually like things like Anadrol and other "bulking" compounds at the very end of cycles . I have a thread on here about how to break through a weight gain plateu using that very method , instead of using kick start bulkers at the start of a cycle . you using anabolics and androgens for most the cycle until you hit the plateu, then at the end you add the wet bulker and bust past it

    so will be curious how you do
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    I actually like things like Anadrol and other "bulking" compounds at the very end of cycles . I have a thread on here about how to break through a weight gain plateu using that very method , instead of using kick start bulkers at the start of a cycle . you using anabolics and androgens for most the cycle until you hit the plateu, then at the end you add the wet bulker and bust past it

    so will be curious how you do
    One question! Do you think I should take 80mg preworkout..... in the a.m. 1-2 hours prior to workout... Or split into 4 doses throughout the day? I'm torn and can't decide as I know both are effective I just don't know which route I should go. Any opinions on the matter?

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    Anadrol is one of the best, especially in strength sports. Anadrol has about double the half life of dianabol so does not require such frequent dosing. Twice per day should suffice. Regarding hepatoxicity, that is the nature of the recommendation to use sporadically (as the liver is both robust and regenerative); let us not forget however that part of the basis of the recommendation is not solely AST/ALT enzymes, bile, and liver stress, but the detrimental effect on HDL and hypercholesterolemia. Long term status of this can greatly effect endothelial tissue and thus raise the risk of heart disease. Of course this is a classic AAS to raise blood pressure by different routes and long term hypertension destroys the kidneys in particular.

    This leads into the trenbolone advisories: tren is actually pretty toxic to the body in general. In fact, as far as I am aware it is the only AAS that has shown to be toxic to the brain (i.e. "17β-trenbolone induces apoptosis of primary hippocampal neurons" [Ma & Liu, 2015]). Testosterone is actually protective of neurological tissue. Tren can cause significant hypertension and lead to the aforemented heart disease and kidney disease risks.

    Ma, F. & Liu, D. (2015) 17β-trenbolone, an anabolicandrogenic steroid as well as an environmental hormone, contributes to neurodegeneration. Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology, 282, 1; pgs 68-76.
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    Also, the additional of something like anadrol or dianabol to the beginning of a cycle is more the bodybuilding way and we can change the scale numbers quickly while moderate and long esters cause the injectables to build over 3-8 weeks more or less before much is noticed. At the end of a cycle is the powerlifting and strongman way where we have the oils working now and want to boost strength going into a competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerliftmike View Post
    Also, the additional of something like anadrol or dianabol to the beginning of a cycle is more the bodybuilding way and we can change the scale numbers quickly while moderate and long esters cause the injectables to build over 3-8 weeks more or less before much is noticed. At the end of a cycle is the powerlifting and strongman way where we have the oils working now and want to boost strength going into a competition.



    Quote Originally Posted by powerliftmike View Post
    Anadrol is one of the best, especially in strength sports. Anadrol has about double the half life of dianabol so does not require such frequent dosing. Twice per day should suffice. Regarding hepatoxicity, that is the nature of the recommendation to use sporadically (as the liver is both robust and regenerative); let us not forget however that part of the basis of the recommendation is not solely AST/ALT enzymes, bile, and liver stress, but the detrimental effect on HDL and hypercholesterolemia. Long term status of this can greatly effect endothelial tissue and thus raise the risk of heart disease. Of course this is a classic AAS to raise blood pressure by different routes and long term hypertension destroys the kidneys in particular.

    This leads into the trenbolone advisories: tren is actually pretty toxic to the body in general. In fact, as far as I am aware it is the only AAS that has shown to be toxic to the brain (i.e. "17β-trenbolone induces apoptosis of primary hippocampal neurons" [Ma & Liu, 2015]). Testosterone is actually protective of neurological tissue. Tren can cause significant hypertension and lead to the aforemented heart disease and kidney disease risks.

    Ma, F. & Liu, D. (2015) 17β-trenbolone, an anabolicĖandrogenic steroid as well as an environmental hormone, contributes to neurodegeneration. Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology, 282, 1; pgs 68-76.


    wow thanks powerliftmike! I appreciate the posts of great information... A lot of the real facts and potential side effects are worrisome when you sit and think about them too much but I guess it's better to know than to not! I have always taken d-bol or anadrol weeks 1-4 so I am excited doing the anadrol now at the end! Yesterday and the day before were the first 2 days of my anadrol... I really only took one dose each a.m. at 80mg as a preworkout. I don't know if it's possible but it TOTALLY makes me stronger lol unless it's a major placebo? Yesterday I made sure to try more and more weight than I usually would do and I repped it out a lot 12-20 reps still.. So either way the anadrol or placebo effect is very strong. I think i will just do 40mg a.m and 40mg p.m. 8 hour inbetween like you suggested. Do you recommend possibly still doing 80mg preworkout and then 8 hours later 20-40mg more ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripmachine View Post
    wow thanks powerliftmike! I appreciate the posts of great information... A lot of the real facts and potential side effects are worrisome when you sit and think about them too much but I guess it's better to know than to not! I have always taken d-bol or anadrol weeks 1-4 so I am excited doing the anadrol now at the end! Yesterday and the day before were the first 2 days of my anadrol... I really only took one dose each a.m. at 80mg as a preworkout. I don't know if it's possible but it TOTALLY makes me stronger lol unless it's a major placebo? Yesterday I made sure to try more and more weight than I usually would do and I repped it out a lot 12-20 reps still.. So either way the anadrol or placebo effect is very strong. I think i will just do 40mg a.m and 40mg p.m. 8 hour inbetween like you suggested. Do you recommend possibly still doing 80mg preworkout and then 8 hours later 20-40mg more ?
    It really does work that fast. It’s pretty awesome stuff. I wouldn’t go over 100 mg a day. I’d just keep doing what you’re doing with the 40/40 split if it’s working. If you still feel good doing that in 3-4 weeks you can try more next time, but some people get a toxic feeling from it after a couple weeks. Better to see how you react before you get all wild with it.
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    day 1... 50mg a.m.
    day 2 80mg a.m. (preworkout)
    day 3 80mg a.m. (preworkout)
    day 4 40mg a.m. 40mg p.m. 8 hour split
    day 5 40mg a.m. 40mg p.m. 8 hour split


    Sides so far noticed... headaches for sure... especially the 2 days I did 80mg all in one dose. Also lately I've been SO tired.... Like really tired. I sleep around 8-9 p.m. and wake up at 3:30 each day... maybe that's a problem. Also hunger is not where I'd like it.... I am not nearly hungry enough and I'm sure everyone knows what it's like to have to force food down (IT SUCKS!) Great sides are tremendous strength INCREASE! Love it.

    EDIT: one more thing and this is probably from the combined items I am running.... t3 (60mcg ed) tren ace 50mg ed I am processing my food and digesting MUCH faster than normal which causes me to wake up in the middle of my sleep to have bowel movements ( a little bit annoying but I guess it's telling me my gear and t3 is working eh?)
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    Trenbolones are notorious for disturbing the sleep cycle. Night sweats and insomnia are common with tren , which of course sleep deprivation can mess up all aspects of daily life including training. Tren is also known to suppress appetite, which it did with me. Eating is a job in itself. Some try to add equipoise to counter this, as eq generally raises the appetite a bit. T3 however should send you appetite sky high.

    Get a blood pressure monitor at Walmart or some pharmacy. Headaches can be from high blood pressure, which tren and anadrol can both greatly elevate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tripmachine View Post
    day 1... 50mg a.m.
    day 2 80mg a.m. (preworkout)
    day 3 80mg a.m. (preworkout)
    day 4 40mg a.m. 40mg p.m. 8 hour split
    day 5 40mg a.m. 40mg p.m. 8 hour split


    Sides so far noticed... headaches for sure... especially the 2 days I did 80mg all in one dose. Also lately I've been SO tired.... Like really tired. I sleep around 8-9 p.m. and wake up at 3:30 each day... maybe that's a problem. Also hunger is not where I'd like it.... I am not nearly hungry enough and I'm sure everyone knows what it's like to have to force food down (IT SUCKS!) Great sides are tremendous strength INCREASE! Love it.

    EDIT: one more thing and this is probably from the combined items I am running.... t3 (60mcg ed) tren ace 50mg ed I am processing my food and digesting MUCH faster than normal which causes me to wake up in the middle of my sleep to have bowel movements ( a little bit annoying but I guess it's telling me my gear and t3 is working eh?)
    Anadrol is notorious for headaches. Lethargy, tiredness, zoning out all from the drol brother

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