3rd cycle feedback

[Cuz]

yes I know you were not bragging I was just throwing a bunch a shit out there really, just to exaggerate and drive home my point

I simply see having to eat more calories in order to gain muscle as a negative thing, not a positive thing.. especially in the long run.

IF you get to say 250 pounds and 8% body fat in five years having to eat 6000 cals per day , you'll likely be less healthy then you would be if you could get to those same exact stats only eating 4000 cals per day.
its far healthier to make sure you consume enough to cover your macro and micro nutrients needs, then add in the additional cal surplus (say 500-750) and grow off of that if you can..
having to grow off of super high cals is just going to lead to inflammation problems and un-needed stress on the body and digestive tract.


having said all that -- I'm all for pushing high cals if thats what you actually need to grow. and lots of guys do need that. its unfortunate and not ideal, but its simply the reality if you want to make gains .. same with drugs. I wish I was genetically gifted and could grow off of just 500mg of test, but I can't, I need 1500-2000mg of test to grow. thats not ideal. thats not healthy . thats not anything to brag about, its just what has to be done

Damn man, has it always been that way or did you grow into your dose?

[GearHeaded]

Damn man, has it always been that way or did you grow into your dose?

for the first year I respond well to moderate dosages.. I put on maybe 20 pounds and stalled out. then I went to high dosages and my body responded much better to that and I put on another 40.. so I just respond better to higher dosages

but I'm also the same guy that gets together with friends that drink 4 beers and they are drunk stupid, and I drink an entire bottle of whisky and just fine..
also went for a medical procedure where they put you to sleep to perform it and I never went to sleep (they should of gave me way more).


thats why fixed dosage protocols are not very relevant . its too person dependent. there are some generalalities, like a gram of test is kinda that sweet spot for most guys that are advanced,, but still for some guys it could be 800 or it could be 2000.

and with hormones especially, I don't think body weight plays a big role like it does other drugs. its more about your individual receptor density. sure a 100 pound teenage kid is going to get way drunker off of 5 shots then a 300 pound 40 year old. but with AAS that kid may have a way higher receptor density and need more hormones then the 40 year old

thats why dosages of AAS are all over the spectrum .. where as dosages of other drugs is fairly text book and based on body weight

[GearHeaded]

Damn man, has it always been that way or did you grow into your dose?

for the first year I respond well to moderate dosages.. I put on maybe 20 pounds and stalled out. then I went to high dosages and my body responded much better to that and I put on another 40.. so I just respond better to higher dosages

but I'm also the same guy that gets together with friends that drink 4 beers and they are drunk stupid, and I drink an entire bottle of whisky and just fine..
also went for a medical procedure where they put you to sleep to perform it and I never went to sleep (they should of gave me way more).


thats why fixed dosage protocols are not very relevant . its too person dependent. there are some generalalities, like a gram of test is kinda that sweet spot for most guys that are advanced,, but still for some guys it could be 800 or it could be 2000.

and with hormones especially, I don't think body weight plays a big role like it does other drugs. its more about your individual receptor density. sure a 100 pound teenage kid is going to get way drunker off of 5 shots then a 300 pound 40 year old. but with AAS that kid may have a way higher receptor density and need more hormones then the 40 year old

thats why dosages of AAS are all over the spectrum .. where as dosages of other drugs is fairly text book and based on body weight

[Cuz]

for the first year I respond well to moderate dosages.. I put on maybe 20 pounds and stalled out. then I went to high dosages and my body responded much better to that and I put on another 40.. so I just respond better to higher dosages

but I'm also the same guy that gets together with friends that drink 4 beers and they are drunk stupid, and I drink an entire bottle of whisky and just fine..
also went for a medical procedure where they put you to sleep to perform it and I never went to sleep (they should of gave me way more).


thats why fixed dosage protocols are not very relevant . its too person dependent. there are some generalalities, like a gram of test is kinda that sweet spot for most guys that are advanced,, but still for some guys it could be 800 or it could be 2000.

and with hormones especially, I don't think body weight plays a big role like it does other drugs. its more about your individual receptor density. sure a 100 pound teenage kid is going to get way drunker off of 5 shots then a 300 pound 40 year old. but with AAS that kid may have a way higher receptor density and need more hormones then the 40 year old

thats why dosages of AAS are all over the spectrum .. where as dosages of other drugs is fairly text book and based on body weight

Well that does make sense, i can still look decent off 500mg a week, i guess its time to see what 1 gram or more will do, hopefully not just shoot my E through the roof as im very sensitive to E sides sadly

[GearHeaded]

I always enjoy your posts and learning from you. Out of curiosity, what would a 5k calorie a day diet look like if it were designed by you?

ok so first off I would ask, why 5000 cals ?

I actually generally never design diets based on total calories . I design them based on micro and macro nutrients needs first and foremost, and the cals simply fall where they fall.

I don't believe in the whole "cals in vs cals out" thing or IIFYM (if it fits your macros) thing.. calories are just a measurement of energy. nothing more. by themselves they don't provide any actual nutrition or muscle building, just units of energy (like 1 calorie is equal to 1 btu of heat)..
its the micro and macro nutrients that are important . its the potassium, magnesium, amino acids, glucose, etc.. that get driven into muscle cells that actually build muscle , not "calories" .

I have 240 pound bodybuilders growing on only 3600 cals per day because the nutrient protocol is set up properly..theres no need for 5000 cals of just crap.

build your nutrients you need first and foremost, then the cals are what they are.


so anyhow, to answer your question more directly. heres what a nutrient build diet would look like

meal 1-
5 whole eggs
5oz ground turkey
1 cup spinach
1/2 cup oats
1/2 cup berries
1 cup orange juice

meal 2
8oz steak
2 large potatoes
2 cups mixed greens (or veggies)
1/2 avacodo

meal 3 - pre workout
8oz tuna
2 cups rice
1 apple
1 cup milk

meal 4 - post workout
8oz chicken
1 cup rice
1 potatoe
5 baby carrots

meal 5
8oz ground beef or bison
1 large sweet potatoes
1/2 cup pasta
2 cups mixed veggies

meal 6
50g whey protein shake
1/2 cup oats
2 cups whole fat milk
spoonful of nut butter
1/2 banana
15 almonds


thats a very rough example ..mix things around a bit. one week do lots of asparagus as your veggie source then the other week use mainly spinach.

[Wannabhuge14]

ok so first off I would ask, why 5000 cals ?

I actually generally never design diets based on total calories . I design them based on micro and macro nutrients needs first and foremost, and the cals simply fall where they fall.

I don't believe in the whole "cals in vs cals out" thing or IIFYM (if it fits your macros) thing.. calories are just a measurement of energy. nothing more. by themselves they don't provide any actual nutrition or muscle building, just units of energy (like 1 calorie is equal to 1 btu of heat)..
its the micro and macro nutrients that are important . its the potassium, magnesium, amino acids, glucose, etc.. that get driven into muscle cells that actually build muscle , not "calories" .

I have 240 pound bodybuilders growing on only 3600 cals per day because the nutrient protocol is set up properly..theres no need for 5000 cals of just crap.

build your nutrients you need first and foremost, then the cals are what they are.


so anyhow, to answer your question more directly. heres what a nutrient build diet would look like

meal 1-
5 whole eggs
5oz ground turkey
1 cup spinach
1/2 cup oats
1/2 cup berries
1 cup orange juice

meal 2
8oz steak
2 large potatoes
2 cups mixed greens (or veggies)
1/2 avacodo

meal 3 - pre workout
8oz tuna
2 cups rice
1 apple
1 cup milk

meal 4 - post workout
8oz chicken
1 cup rice
1 potatoe
5 baby carrots

meal 5
8oz ground beef or bison
1 large sweet potatoes
1/2 cup pasta
2 cups mixed veggies

meal 6
50g whey protein shake
1/2 cup oats
2 cups whole fat milk
spoonful of nut butter
1/2 banana
15 almonds


thats a very rough example ..mix things around a bit. one week do lots of asparagus as your veggie source then the other week use mainly spinach.

5000 calories was just the number op had used so I went with it. This makes me think I may need to consider a different approach when it comes to dieting.

[Windex]

Micronutrients are just as, if not more important than Macros. Fitness industry has completely skewed what proper nutrition is for bodybuilding.

Genetics aside, most people will never cap out on their potential because they don't understand the role of each nutrient in the body. 4100mg or Potassium is the RDA for example which is never going to happen if you're chasing protein carbs and fats. No potassium = no potassium pump = shit glycogen conversion.

[jackfrost88]

Micronutrients are just as, if not more important than Macros. Fitness industry has completely skewed what proper nutrition is for bodybuilding.

Genetics aside, most people will never cap out on their potential because they don't understand the role of each nutrient in the body. 4100mg or Potassium is the RDA for example which is never going to happen if you're chasing protein carbs and fats. No potassium = no potassium pump = shit glycogen conversion.

Very true! Not sure if this is a reference to my diet but I do take an array of micro nutrients with each meal such as potassium/l-lycene/vit-c/gaba/niacimide/oils/calcium/magnesium/zinc/vit D etc.