Spasm during pin

**sv.elia** · 10-29-2019, 02:37 AM

I had a muscle spasm during my quad pin, I did not remove it entirely, just changed the angle and it went fine. Maybe it's a blonde question, but what are you supposed to do in this case? Remove it entirely? And can it be avoided?

**The God Himself** · 10-29-2019, 03:14 AM

You most probably weren’t relaxed at that point and hit a spot that is rich of nerves.
When that happens I try to relax as much as I can and if that doesn’t work and spasms are making it hard to inject, then I remove the pin and hit another spot.

**sv.elia** · 10-29-2019, 03:59 AM

Thank you for the reply. I was really tense because my cat came at the door and the thing knows how to open it. Got a good scare because I don't think it's sterile for pets and pins to mix. Gosh, I wonder how people with kids do it. I have a mild discomfort and no bruise so far.

**< <Samson> >** · 10-29-2019, 06:17 AM

quad pin?! Y

Out of all places, I still haven’t spiked either quad

I had one similar in my felt tho - the muscle twitch bent the spike at a 90 degree angle

**morton30** · 10-29-2019, 09:56 AM

i get this with my left delt even with a insilin needle my delt spasms and pushes the needle out every time. my right delt i have no problem with

**kelkel** · 10-29-2019, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by sv.elia

I had a muscle spasm during my quad pin, I did not remove it entirely, just changed the angle and it went fine. Maybe it's a blonde question, but what are you supposed to do in this case? Remove it entirely? And can it be avoided?

It happens on occasion. Just try not to think about it on your next pin.

Really, try not to think about it.

**sv.elia** · 10-29-2019, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

quad pin?! Y

Out of all places, I still haven’t spiked either quad

I had one similar in my felt tho - the muscle twitch bent the spike at a 90 degree angle

**IronLiver** · 10-29-2019, 04:43 PM

I recommend that you watch this:

**IronLiver** · 10-29-2019, 04:44 PM

And then watch this:

**Dgs59** · 10-29-2019, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by IronLiver

And then watch this:

How the oil gonna past through small insulin needle? I never tried it

**IronLiver** · 10-29-2019, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Dgs59

How the oil gonna past through small insulin needle? I never tried it

If your oil is cold then put syringes in hot water for a minute or 2. I draw the dose with a regular needle from the vial and then backfill the .5 inch insulin syringes. I switched to daily injections doing delts and pecs and there is no pain. Also, I think it's a lot better since you're injecting much less into the muscle if you do it daily.

**< <Samson> >** · 10-30-2019, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by sv.elia

Yeah, it’s was in my delt - it twitched or had a spasm or whatever, I pulled it out - fucker was bent 90 degrees over

Still not as bad as hitting a sciatic nerve - now, that is some shit

**Windex** · 10-30-2019, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by IronLiver

I recommend that you watch this:

Maybe Quads aren't the best place to start for someone new but I personally only pin Quads and Calves for my HRT with no issues. Maybe if someone has chicken legs it could be a problem too. I haven't done glutes in probably 5+ years if not longer.

**sv.elia** · 10-30-2019, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by IronLiver

I recommend that you watch this:

I'm more afraid of hitting a glute nerve than a quad nerve. It's in front of me and I have better maneuverability with my hands, in case of anything. I also read some contradictory articles that say ventrogluteal is better than dorsogluteal, and vice versa, and I don't know what to belive anymore. What I know is that quads worked for me those weeks and if it weren't for my cat stressing me I'd be incident free even still.

All in all, this one wasn't so bad, I can't bend the leg fully but I can walk without limping and I have no mark other than the usual dot. I saw the video with the insulin syringe, but I don't have pecs and delts big enough for it. Quads are my biggest muscle and the only spot where I can use both hands to pin. There's no problem with scar tissue as I inject once a week, so each quad has two full weeks to recover. Should I really move to another site?

**sv.elia** · 10-30-2019, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

Yeah, it’s was in my delt - it twitched or had a spasm or whatever, I pulled it out - fucker was bent 90 degrees over

Still not as bad as hitting a sciatic nerve - now, that is some shit

Can something like this be avoided if you insert the pin slower? I'm trying to see how to limit the damage done to nerves.

**IronLiver** · 10-30-2019, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by sv.elia

I'm more afraid of hitting a glute nerve than a quad nerve. It's in front of me and I have better maneuverability with my hands, in case of anything. I also read some contradictory articles that say ventrogluteal is better than dorsogluteal, and vice versa, and I don't know what to belive anymore. What I know is that quads worked for me those weeks and if it weren't for my cat stressing me I'd be incident free even still.

All in all, this one wasn't so bad, I can't bend the leg fully but I can walk without limping and I have no mark other than the usual dot. I saw the video with the insulin syringe, but I don't have pecs and delts big enough for it. Quads are my biggest muscle and the only spot where I can use both hands to pin. There's no problem with scar tissue as I inject once a week, so each quad has two full weeks to recover. Should I really move to another site?

I've seen videos of children getting intramusulcar injections done in the deltoid. It seems to be the safest place according to all the top professionals. More frequent injections will help out as well, at least twice a week.

**kelkel** · 10-30-2019, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by IronLiver

And then watch this:

Agree with about all of what he said, except the backfilling part. Just buy a box of 100 count 18 gauge loading pins for for $5 bucks and keep it simple. I've used a 27 ga .5" pin for TRT for years now. Delts and glutes, never quads. Way too many veins....

**kelkel** · 10-30-2019, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by sv.elia

Can something like this be avoided if you insert the pin slower? I'm trying to see how to limit the damage done to nerves.

You have more than enough meat on your delts to inject. When it comes to glutes, just use a mirror. Find your hip flexor and inject just behind it, high and to the side. You'll have no issues.

**Windex** · 10-30-2019, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Agree with about all of what he said, except the backfilling part. Just buy a box of 100 count 18 gauge loading pins for for $5 bucks and keep it simple. I've used a 27 ga .5" pin for TRT for years now. Delts and glutes, never quads. Way too many veins....

With your vascularity wouldn't pinning quads be like the Operation game ?

**kelkel** · 10-30-2019, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Windex

With your vascularity wouldn't pinning quads be like the Operation game ?

That's what scares me. If there's a ton on the surface then whats beneath? I pinned quads once decades ago. Hit a never the first time and about stuck the needle in the ceiling. Never again.

**SampsonandDelilah** · 10-30-2019, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by sv.elia

Thank you for the reply. I was really tense because my cat came at the door and the thing knows how to open it. Got a good scare because I don't think it's sterile for pets and pins to mix. Gosh, I wonder how people with kids do it. I have a mild discomfort and no bruise so far.

I blame it on the cat...another get reason to get a dog

**sv.elia** · 10-30-2019, 12:20 PM

Seems I've been doing it wrong the entire time. I find it so difficult to accept that I have to change sites.

Anyone doing quad pins with 23ga needle for some time with no major problems?

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

I blame it on the cat...another get reason to get a dog

Will act the same. Moving alone is the solution

**SampsonandDelilah** · 10-30-2019, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by sv.elia

Seems I've been doing it wrong the entire time. I find it so difficult to accept that I have to change sites.

Anyone doing quad pins with 23ga needle for some time with no major problems?

Will act the same. Moving alone is the solution

I pin quads with a 25G 1” with no issues. I go slow. Will bleed on occasion but no more than a glute or shoulder shot

**Scabtree** · 10-30-2019, 01:21 PM

Ventrogluteal injections are now the preferred method among many healthcare professionals. The tissue around your ventrogluteal site is very thick and far removed from any major blood vessels or nerves.

**< <Samson> >** · 10-31-2019, 06:13 AM

I have spiked this shit nearly anywhere now

With this many shots you’re bound to have some casualties. The 90 degree thing came from a muscle spasm - shit, it’s not much worse than the fountain I had pouring out of the injection site a few times

Ah, those were some wild times

Shit, I haven’t had a upper body injection in prob about a year now -

**JackMan017** · 10-31-2019, 07:16 AM

Had this happened to me too. I just kept with it and injected. Didn't really enjoy that experience though and from that point I've never gone back to quads, basically pin everything except quads, not sure if I'll go back to them. I watched that Palumbo video a while back so I knew going into it the quad may have nerves around there. Funny because on my very first pin ever, I went into the quad and luckily it was smooth.

**Fiskevatten** · 10-31-2019, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Scabtree

Ventrogluteal injections are now the preferred method among many healthcare professionals. The tissue around your ventrogluteal site is very thick and far removed from any major blood vessels or nerves.

Second this, LOVE the site! It's the only place where I have no pain during or after, even days after.

However, it's hard as f*ck to find if you have that muscle area underdeveloped...
And NO, the damn maps, V-fingers, lift leg and/or flex doesn't help much in that case either if you go solo and muscle won't show clearly.
I have a small lump (muscle) when I flex one side and the other is all flatish, around is everything you don't wanna hit.
Though once you find the right spot, you will never inject in anything else ever.

Quads are horrible, I put a needle there and I go full auto step-dancing - leg's jump all over (painfully so).
Delts is great as well!
Glutes is so easy it's unbelievable, you have 1/4 of the whole ass you can hit without any issue.
Fill that ass up girl! Just stick it in and let the good stuff poor in you!

I've heard Lats is the bomb, anyone can fill in on this?

**JaneDoe** · 10-31-2019, 07:30 PM

It happened to me !!!I was forced to give up the application and inject it into another body muscle.

**sv.elia** · 11-02-2019, 10:34 AM

Nicked a vein two times in a row. One was a bit deeper and all: needle, blood, my hand slushed up, the second was skin level, takes talent not to see it. Third one went fine, I did it laying in the bed (still ashamed about it). My conclusion is that all's about the mindset. I wish I could take it as cool as I did when I started.

**JaneDoe** · 11-02-2019, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by sv.elia

Nicked a vein two times in a row. One was a bit deeper and all: needle, blood, my hand slushed up, the second was skin level, takes talent not to see it. Third one went fine, I did it laying in the bed (still ashamed about it). My conclusion is that all's about the mindset. I wish I could take it as cool as I did when I started.

Wow, I imagine the despair it gave you.
At these times having self control is everything ..