Taking 250mg a week for first cycle?

[AR's King Silabolin]

Are you saying tren is a test based steroid ?

Not here to argue: but take someone gyno prone and have them take 1g test and later 500 test and 500 primo.
In the first scenario- gyno
In the second - no gyno.
Note :l just used mixtures for example purposes.


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No tren is not testbased. Its a pimped nandroloneroid. Like, they made deca as androgenic as they could.
BUT...some of it converts to e2. At least there are plenty of gurues who say it does.
So if ur running +500 mg of it, u migth wanna put in some extra AI for it. In addition to your DA.

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[The God Himself]

No tren is not testbased. Its a pimped nandroloneroid. Like, they made deca as androgenic as they could.
BUT...some of it converts to e2. At least there are plenty of gurues who say it does.
So if ur running +500 mg of it, u migth wanna put in some extra AI for it. In addition to your DA.

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I agree with the first sentence of your answer man. But trenbolone does NOT convert to estrogen. It's already similiar to estrogen in its chemical form in the first place. It is called 17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one. (whereas the E2 is (17β)-estra-1,3,5(10)-triene-3,17-diol, see the similiarity here?)
It is not aromatizable yet its even anti-estrogenic due to its androgenic properties. See the following quote from the scientific paper below.

"It is plausible that the antiestrogenic effects and apparently nonaromatizable aspects of trenbolone partially underlie the slightly diminished bone-protective effects and the apparent adynamic bone state..."
Source: https://www.physiology.org/doi/full/...ndo.00440.2010

Edit: It is known that trenbolone skews your bloodwork and may cause your E2 levels to appear higher than they actually are. Since its similiar to estrogen in its chemical form, it may effect the bloodwork by looking similiar to E2 depending on whether you use ECLIA or LC/MS/MS methodologies for testing E2. This may mislead both patients and doctors if someone takes tren while on medically supervised TRT.

[GearHeaded]

Like, they made deca as androgenic as they could.

you mean NON androgenic as they could correct . Cause Deca was made to have no androgenic properties so it could be used in women and children (which it can be). Deca is not androgenic at all , its a pure anabolic . it doesn't convert to dht either, it converts to DHN , which will bind to DHT reports and take their place cut illicit zero DHT and androgenic like properties .
in this way Deca is an anti androgenic. also why guess will end up getting deca dick and feminizing characteristics if they ran only deca for long periods of time. its because they loose all androngeic properties and have no androgens coming in an the deca because of the DHN is acting as an anti androgen

[GearHeaded]

Cause high e2, elevates BP and BP is roughly spoken, the only thing most of us at our level, should worry about.

Estrogen is one of the strongest hormones in the body that help LOWER blood pressure , not raise it. it. aides in Nitric Oxide production and blood flow and also promotes the elasticity of blood vessels (like a BP med itself may do) two very important things for lower blood pressure.

Steroids and water retention increase blood pressure . not the estrogen hormone itself ... so if you taking a gram of test and your blood pressure rises , its not because your estrogen is elevated , its because the gram of test is raising your blood pressure mainly though retentive based mechanisms. its not the estrogen at all . in fact the estrogen is likely helping to keep it from getting too high.

also anecdotal observation here . my wife has 3x the estrogen levels that I have . yet she has way lower blood pressure. If higher estrogen caused higher blood pressure then she would have the higher blood pressure. most women in their 20s where estrogen levels are at their highest all generally have very low and healthy blood pressure .

women who are past menopause and their estrogen levels plummet , this is where they run into getting high blood pressure. coincident huh . well as I first stated its because estrogen helps to keep blood pressure low , NOT high

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Estrogen is one of the strongest hormones in the body that help LOWER blood pressure , not raise it. it. aides in Nitric Oxide production and blood flow and also promotes the elasticity of blood vessels (like a BP med itself may do) two very important things for lower blood pressure.

Steroids and water retention increase blood pressure . not the estrogen hormone itself ... so if you taking a gram of test and your blood pressure rises , its not because your estrogen is elevated , its because the gram of test is raising your blood pressure mainly though retentive based mechanisms. its not the estrogen at all . in fact the estrogen is likely helping to keep it from getting too high.

also anecdotal observation here . my wife has 3x the estrogen levels that I have . yet she has way lower blood pressure. If higher estrogen caused higher blood pressure then she would have the higher blood pressure. most women in their 20s where estrogen levels are at their highest all generally have very low and healthy blood pressure .

women who are past menopause and their estrogen levels plummet , this is where they run into getting high blood pressure. coincident huh . well as I first stated its because estrogen helps to keep blood pressure low , NOT high

Estrogen is good for your cholesterol levels also

[TheGypsyKing]

lol your joking right ? dude go do some real research on the subject for a couple years and then come back so your equipped enough to ask real and valid questions. you know there are such things as actual books and medical journals you can actually read all about AAS usage.

and being you don't look like you even lift , during those 2 years of AAS research you may want to actually start lifting and eating properly as well

I don't even have a pic up, soooo...

[TheGypsyKing]

I honestly hadn’t paid any attention to his history but i can for sure tell you if he hasn’t got the basics down then this will all be a waste of time i think you can agree lol

Within a year of lifting I could bench 240 , at 19. I could curl 50's for 8 reps solid form. I could shoulder press 60s for about 8 reps, squat around 280. I outate all the football players who I dorm'd with. There's never been a problem with my diet or my lifting or my strength.

But you ignoramus' don't get that some people do not put on significant muscle mass. I know a WR for TCU who benches 450 and squats 700, he's 198 lbs at 6'2. Strongest guy on the team, biggest lifter, huge eater... so whyyyy doesn't he weigh 250 geniuses? Uhhh, genetics.

[LiftingLevi]

Within a year of lifting I could bench 240 , at 19. I could curl 50's for 8 reps solid form. I could shoulder press 60s for about 8 reps, squat around 280. I outate all the football players who I dorm'd with. There's never been a problem with my diet or my lifting or my strength.

But you ignoramus' don't get that some people do not put on significant muscle mass. I know a WR for TCU who benches 450 and squats 700, he's 198 lbs at 6'2. Strongest guy on the team, biggest lifter, huge eater... so whyyyy doesn't he weigh 250 geniuses? Uhhh, genetics.

Kid, wait about 2 decades, learn as much as you can (you know nothing, gypsyqueen) and maybe, MAYBE come back and try AAS

[TheGypsyKing]

Kid, wait about 2 decades, learn as much as you can (you know nothing, gypsyqueen) and maybe, MAYBE come back and try AAS

Aye aye captain shriveled-nuts! Just because I was pound for pound stronger than you are, 4 months into lifting, doesn't mean you need to be all salty.

I'm sure you were benching 240 at weight 150 4 months into lifting, while eating 3,500 calories a day.

[Cuz]

Within a year of lifting I could bench 240 , at 19. I could curl 50's for 8 reps solid form. I could shoulder press 60s for about 8 reps, squat around 280. I outate all the football players who I dorm'd with. There's never been a problem with my diet or my lifting or my strength.

But you ignoramus' don't get that some people do not put on significant muscle mass. I know a WR for TCU who benches 450 and squats 700, he's 198 lbs at 6'2. Strongest guy on the team, biggest lifter, huge eater... so whyyyy doesn't he weigh 250 geniuses? Uhhh, genetics.

Sounds like you got it all figured out bud. Congrats

[Arcânn]

wow......

[Gallowmere]

Within a year of lifting I could bench 240 , at 19. I could curl 50's for 8 reps solid form. I could shoulder press 60s for about 8 reps, squat around 280. I outate all the football players who I dorm'd with. There's never been a problem with my diet or my lifting or my strength.

But you ignoramus' don't get that some people do not put on significant muscle mass. I know a WR for TCU who benches 450 and squats 700, he's 198 lbs at 6'2. Strongest guy on the team, biggest lifter, huge eater... so whyyyy doesn't he weigh 250 geniuses? Uhhh, genetics.

No, he weighs that, can lift that, and isn’t getting bigger for two reasons.
A: training specificity matter a shitload more than people realize. Want to squat 700? You’re not gonna get there by doing 405 for 20 reps.
B: he’s not eating enough to gain weight, and it’s likely on purpose. A 225+ lbs. WR would either find himself relegated to TE, or benched until he decided to stop being a fatass.

People who don’t gain weight often fall victim to the opposite thing that makes most Americans fat as shit. They’re not eating as much as they think they are. Give them a calibrated digital scale and some tracking software and they realize pretty quick just how far off they are.

[GearHeaded]

Within a year of lifting I could bench 240 , at 19. I could curl 50's for 8 reps solid form. I could shoulder press 60s for about 8 reps, squat around 280. I outate all the football players who I dorm'd with.

well your profile shows you being 30 years old . so you've been an 'advanced' lifter for like 12 years, by your own admission. yet your still the smallest and skinniest guy in the gym. 12 years man!! come on. why are you still only 150 pounds. you been an advanced lifter for 12 years .
something isn't right with this picture (probably nutrition, being vegan, and the way you train)

and don't blame it on your shitty genetics . if your genetics really are that crappy , then you should not even think about touching gear. all your going to get with that shitty of genetics is all the negative side effects and nothing more.


I don't have the greatest genetics by any means either. I'm a natural ectomorph and endurance athlete. I was only 147 pounds at one point (at 5'9" tall), but that served me well being I was a competitive cyclist and ran sub 20 min 5k races. however when I decided to give up the cardio sports and put on some size , I bulked up to 215 pounds and maintained full abs in the process (didn't put on much fat).
and it didn't take me anywhere near 12 years to do.
so I'm wondering what the heck have you been doing the last 12 years to not be able to put on any muscle ?

maybe the big difference, being we both started as skinny ectomorphs, is that I ate 3 pounds of meat per day and thats why I was able to put on 60+ pounds of muscle and be able to overhead press more then you bench. and you've not made a single gain at all eating your legumes .
just a thought

[kelkel]

I am looking to do the opposite.
I am gonna try moving back to lower doses.
I just dont know what to run with what.
A lot of guys have talked up mk677.
Sil praised it always for long term use.
I think I need to move to lower dose and get off the stims and just maintain. I am going to kill myself before I get the time to devote to be where I want.

I have neglected my health way too long.

Gonna have to start matching my dose to get by like bg said. Blasting grams and grams being dehydrated and busting ass is gonna get me lol.

Now you're thinking. Your body needs a break. Your CNS needs a break. Every time I come off a cycle, and I've never really done the massive cycles I read about here, my body feels like it can just breath again. It seems to relax, reset and refresh itself. For months now I've been running just TRT test and low dose deca /var in effort to heal up and just take a break. Actually just started MK last night as well.

Obs my point is that you only have one body. Take care of it. Give it some rest, take some time off from the gym and do some of the things you don't normally get the chance to do. It will do you good. Evaluate things during this time and come back recharged and ready to make progress.

ps: get some blood work done as well.

[Gallowmere]

Now you're thinking. Your body needs a break. Your CNS needs a break. Every time I come off a cycle, and I've never really done the massive cycles I read about here, my body feels like it can just breath again. It seems to relax, reset and refresh itself. For months now I've been running just TRT test and low dose deca /var in effort to heal up and just take a break. Actually just started MK last night as well.

Obs my point is that you only have one body. Take care of it. Give it some rest, take some time off from the gym and do some of the things you don't normally get the chance to do. It will do you good. Evaluate things during this time and come back recharged and ready to make progress.

ps: get some blood work done as well.

I spent nearly a year just on TRT test after my last cycle, and then recently added in low dose deca for a month. All of which worked wonders for restoring my overall sense of well-being and let me navigate this past year’s work stresses flawlessly.
Granted, I still never take time off of training, but I also only run 3-4x/week compound lift focused programming.
And as an update to your asking about my adding the Nandrolone before, it did done wonders for some of the obnoxious soft tissue problems I’ve had for years (plantar fasciitis, right hip flexors being prone to tweaks, etc.), even at just 100mg/week. Of course, I’m already seeing even more benefit on my current 300/week cycle dose.

[kelkel]

I spent nearly a year just on TRT test after my last cycle, and then recently added in low dose deca for a month. All of which worked wonders for restoring my overall sense of well-being and let me navigate this past year’s work stresses flawlessly.
Granted, I still never take time off of training, but I also only run 3-4x/week compound lift focused programming.
And as an update to your asking about my adding the Nandrolone before, it did done wonders for some of the obnoxious soft tissue problems I’ve had for years (plantar fasciitis, right hip flexors being prone to tweaks, etc.), even at just 100mg/week. Of course, I’m already seeing even more benefit on my current 300/week cycle dose.

Excellent!

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I spent nearly a year just on TRT test after my last cycle, and then recently added in low dose deca for a month. All of which worked wonders for restoring my overall sense of well-being and let me navigate this past year’s work stresses flawlessly.
Granted, I still never take time off of training, but I also only run 3-4x/week compound lift focused programming.
And as an update to your asking about my adding the Nandrolone before, it did done wonders for some of the obnoxious soft tissue problems I’ve had for years (plantar fasciitis, right hip flexors being prone to tweaks, etc.), even at just 100mg/week. Of course, I’m already seeing even more benefit on my current 300/week cycle dose.

Since I dropped Deca I’ve noticed a lot more joint discomfort. It blows

[Obs]

Now you're thinking. Your body needs a break. Your CNS needs a break. Every time I come off a cycle, and I've never really done the massive cycles I read about here, my body feels like it can just breath again. It seems to relax, reset and refresh itself. For months now I've been running just TRT test and low dose deca /var in effort to heal up and just take a break. Actually just started MK last night as well.

Obs my point is that you only have one body. Take care of it. Give it some rest, take some time off from the gym and do some of the things you don't normally get the chance to do. It will do you good. Evaluate things during this time and come back recharged and ready to make progress.

ps: get some blood work done as well.

Where were you 12 hours ago?

[Obs]

The gypsy king will be an asset to the board before long. Be nice.

[Test Monsterone]

Since I dropped Deca I’ve noticed a lot more joint discomfort. It blows

Me too. Stopped it a week or two ago and I’m already feeling more pain in my right shoulder and all those annoying clicks and pops in the rest of my body.

[kelkel]

Me too. Stopped it a week or two ago and I’m already feeling more pain in my right shoulder and all those annoying clicks and pops in the rest of my body.

I stopped low dose deca once. Once.

[almostgone]

I am looking to do the opposite.
I am gonna try moving back to lower doses.
I just dont know what to run with what.
A lot of guys have talked up mk677.
Sil praised it always for long term use.
I think I need to move to lower dose and get off the stims and just maintain. I am going to kill myself before I get the time to devote to be where I want.

I have neglected my health way too long.

Gonna have to start matching my dose to get by like bg said. Blasting grams and grams being dehydrated and busting ass is gonna get me lol.

Now you're thinking. Your body needs a break. Your CNS needs a break. Every time I come off a cycle, and I've never really done the massive cycles I read about here, my body feels like it can just breath again. It seems to relax, reset and refresh itself. For months now I've been running just TRT test and low dose deca /var in effort to heal up and just take a break. Actually just started MK last night as well.

Obs my point is that you only have one body. Take care of it. Give it some rest, take some time off from the gym and do some of the things you don't normally get the chance to do. It will do you good. Evaluate things during this time and come back recharged and ready to make progress.

ps: get some blood work done as well.

X2 on Kel's post, Obs. I would love to see you post up that you were doing a little preventive maintenance on yourself.

[Test Monsterone]

I stopped low dose deca once. Once.

I would never stop it but I don’t want to go bald so I’ve been taking finasteride, and supposedly they don’t mix. It causes the hair to fall out double the rate if I wasn’t taking any finasteride.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I would never stop it but I don’t want to go bald so I’ve been taking finasteride, and supposedly they don’t mix. It causes the hair to fall out double the rate if I wasn’t taking any finasteride.

Deca shouldn’t cause any issues with hair loss. It doesn’t convert to DHT and it’s not androgenic .

[TheGypsyKing]

well your profile shows you being 30 years old . so you've been an 'advanced' lifter for like 12 years, by your own admission. yet your still the smallest and skinniest guy in the gym. 12 years man!! come on. why are you still only 150 pounds. you been an advanced lifter for 12 years .
something isn't right with this picture (probably nutrition, being vegan, and the way you train)

and don't blame it on your shitty genetics . if your genetics really are that crappy , then you should not even think about touching gear. all your going to get with that shitty of genetics is all the negative side effects and nothing more.


I don't have the greatest genetics by any means either. I'm a natural ectomorph and endurance athlete. I was only 147 pounds at one point (at 5'9" tall), but that served me well being I was a competitive cyclist and ran sub 20 min 5k races. however when I decided to give up the cardio sports and put on some size , I bulked up to 215 pounds and maintained full abs in the process (didn't put on much fat).
and it didn't take me anywhere near 12 years to do.
so I'm wondering what the heck have you been doing the last 12 years to not be able to put on any muscle ?

maybe the big difference, being we both started as skinny ectomorphs, is that I ate 3 pounds of meat per day and thats why I was able to put on 60+ pounds of muscle and be able to overhead press more then you bench. and you've not made a single gain at all eating your legumes .
just a thought

I'm not 150, im 165-170. Which isn't far off the BMI of TCU buddy who's 6'2 198 and outlifts every single person here. What, you think he calorie restricts?? Nooo. There's just natural genetic differences between linebackers and WRs. It's not cuz julio jones doesn't eat enough. It's because his body doesn't want to add on another 15-20 lbs of muscle. My niece is the biggest female eater I know, she's a little peanut. This is like blaming lack of height on not eating enough as a kid. Yeahh malnutrition will keep you short, but after a certain point, if you're eating a lot and not growing, that's just not in your genetics. And throwing on 20 lbs of muscle just isn't in my genetics. Why do so many of you not have ripped bodies despite eating for it, and training for it? Ummm, genetics!!

Amazing how bro-science just says eat meat and lift, that's it. Yeah, we'll all look like Myles Garrett if we're on the same diet and workout routine!!

[GearHeaded]

I'm not 150, im 165-170. Which isn't far off the BMI of TCU buddy who's 6'2 198 and outlifts every single person here.

how many times have we all heard this "well my friend can do such and such" .. umm are you 15 years old or are you 30 years old !! who gives a shit what your friend can do . hell I'm friends with Eddie Hall online, and guess what 'my buddy can out lift your buddy' .. so there , lol .

I'm really doubting the age you have posted on your profile. I don't think you are old enough to even be considering steroids at all

and on a side note -- I doubt your skinny lanky buddy out lifts much of anyone anyways

[Cuz]

I'm not 150, im 165-170. Which isn't far off the BMI of TCU buddy who's 6'2 198 and outlifts every single person here. What, you think he calorie restricts?? Nooo. There's just natural genetic differences between linebackers and WRs. It's not cuz julio jones doesn't eat enough. It's because his body doesn't want to add on another 15-20 lbs of muscle. My niece is the biggest female eater I know, she's a little peanut. This is like blaming lack of height on not eating enough as a kid. Yeahh malnutrition will keep you short, but after a certain point, if you're eating a lot and not growing, that's just not in your genetics. And throwing on 20 lbs of muscle just isn't in my genetics. Why do so many of you not have ripped bodies despite eating for it, and training for it? Ummm, genetics!!

Amazing how bro-science just says eat meat and lift, that's it. Yeah, we'll all look like Myles Garrett if we're on the same diet and workout routine!!

I dont wanna hear this “genetics” bullshit. Genetics is high or low lat insertions...round or flat muscle bellies, peaked or rounded biceps....small joints/large joints...high/low calf insertions i could go on forever...

If you keep thinking “ well hell ill never get big its just not in my genetics....” you never will. Now are we all gonna be 300lb lean mass monsters? Fuck no but we can be 200lbs and lean just about all of us if we work at it i guarantee you.

[GearHeaded]

I'm not 150, im 165-170.!

at 6 foot tall . ok bro.

but you also said this:

So I am as ecto as can be, 6'0, 155, ... the ultimate skinny guy

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...uper-ecto.html
https://forums.steroid.com/new-male-...ning-mass.html

[Arcânn]

I was gonna leave this alone, but gypsy.....you're a liar. You don't have a friend who weighs 20 lbs less than me and squatting just 100 lbs less than Ronnie Coleman was struggling with in his prime.

And at 6'0 and 155 lbs, you're not that much of an ectomorph. I started at 6'2 and 145 lbs. And even I managed to get to 215 naturally before starting a cycle...well, more like a cruise than a cycle, but still.

Of everyone who regularly posts on this forum, I probably have the most room to complain about genetics, and even I don't use that as an excuse, at least not as fiercely as I've seen you do.

Stop taking criticism so personally and just LEARN. The people on this forum are probably the most informative (and patient) of any forum I've been on. If you can't take what they're saying and learn a thing or two from it, and if you don't stop making excuses, you'll forever be the skinny fuck who keeps hiding his fat hookups from his roommate (I proudly fuck fat chicks but that's not the point).

[Gallowmere]

I was gonna leave this alone, but gypsy.....you're a liar. You don't have a friend who weighs 20 lbs less than me and squatting just 100 lbs less than Ronnie Coleman was struggling with in his prime.

And at 6'0 and 155 lbs, you're not that much of an ectomorph. I started at 6'2 and 145 lbs. And even I managed to get to 215 naturally before starting a cycle...well, more like a cruise than a cycle, but still.

Of everyone who regularly posts on this forum, I probably have the most room to complain about genetics, and even I don't use that as an excuse, at least not as fiercely as I've seen you do.

Stop taking criticism so personally and just LEARN. The people on this forum are probably the most informative (and patient) of any forum I've been on. If you can't take what they're saying and learn a thing or two from it, and if you don't stop making excuses, you'll forever be the skinny fuck who keeps hiding his fat hookups from his roommate (I proudly fuck fat chicks but that's not the point).

My personal rule is that if I can’t overhead press a woman for a working set, I have no business fucking her.
Now that I think about it though, if SHE can overhead press ME for a work set, I might have to reconsider.

[Windex]

My personal rule is that if I can’t overhead press a woman for a working set, I have no business fucking her.
Now that I think about it though, if SHE can overhead press ME for a work set, I might have to reconsider.

Dana Lynn Bailey could press me any day.

[tarmyg]

My personal rule is that if I can’t overhead press a woman for a working set, I have no business fucking her.
Now that I think about it though, if SHE can overhead press ME for a work set, I might have to reconsider.

I'm generally considered a chubby chaser so I guess I could not apply this damn rule :-) My wife though, is some genetic abnormality who wears the same clothes since college and she left that behind 22-years ago. Never worked out a day in her life I think but have a beer almost every night. Damn woman!

[Gallowmere]

I'm generally considered a chubby chaser so I guess I could not apply this damn rule :-) My wife though, is some genetic abnormality who wears the same clothes since college and she left that behind 22-years ago. Never worked out a day in her life I think but have a beer almost every night. Damn woman!

If not for what I know about energy expenditure and the like now, I’d chalk my girlfriend up as being the same. It isn’t anything special about her genetics or metabolic rate that keeps her at sub-95 lbs. It’s her active job (ASM over the stock room for Walmart), paired with the fact that it’s a nightmare to get her to eat more than once per day.
So yeah, she can smash a whole pizza in a single sitting and not go above 90, but it’s because that’s all she’s eating that day, and it’s pretty close to in line with her needs. Fat people who “barely eat anything” are full of shit, and also don’t move much.

[CA_DXB_85]

Damn, this post took some turn quick.
I actually posted something then I read more and realized shit got real LOL

[Obs]

If not for what I know about energy expenditure and the like now, I’d chalk my girlfriend up as being the same. It isn’t anything special about her genetics or metabolic rate that keeps her at sub-95 lbs. It’s her active job (ASM over the stock room for Walmart), paired with the fact that it’s a nightmare to get her to eat more than once per day.
So yeah, she can smash a whole pizza in a single sitting and not go above 90, but it’s because that’s all she’s eating that day, and it’s pretty close to in line with her needs. Fat people who “barely eat anything” are full of shit, and also don’t move much.

"I have tried everything!"

Septin' a calorie deficit.

[KINGKONG]

My personal rule is that if I can’t overhead press a woman for a working set, I have no business fucking her.
Now that I think about it though, if SHE can overhead press ME for a work set, I might have to reconsider.

Big girls need love too guys
Iam not 20 anymore can’t overhead press these big girls for reps lol
But I still will deadlift them onto my bed..

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[KINGKONG]

Now you're thinking. Your body needs a break. Your CNS needs a break. Every time I come off a cycle, and I've never really done the massive cycles I read about here, my body feels like it can just breath again. It seems to relax, reset and refresh itself. For months now I've been running just TRT test and low dose deca /var in effort to heal up and just take a break. Actually just started MK last night as well.

Obs my point is that you only have one body. Take care of it. Give it some rest, take some time off from the gym and do some of the things you don't normally get the chance to do. It will do you good. Evaluate things during this time and come back recharged and ready to make progress.

ps: get some blood work done as well.

Excellent advice!!
A world in which I can’t lift at all anymore is a bleak world indeed..
My good buddy OB has that old school do whatever it takes and don’t think about the consequences..only pussies worry about injury’s or pain..I respect that fearlessness but also realize how fragile our bodies really are, especially as we age..
Just think about not being able to train that’s what I do..scares me like the worst nightmare imaginable..Iam glad your finally deciding to cut back on stims ,gear and take better care of you man!youve already done the hard work you have the muscle now it’s just maintaining..
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