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    How do mma fighters constantly cycle off?

    How do mma fighters constantly cycle off steroids without suffering from low t,erectile dysfunction,and how do they avoid getting caught for serms like clomid it takes time to get your system working so how are the able to bounce back there normal test without suffering from Ed or low t?

    I have been in mma for a couple years a few circuit shows,and I got diagnosed with low t I was still putting in work!
    My total test came back at 376
    And free t at 45 I have a non existent sex drive!
    My doctor put me on a trt regimen do I have to give up my dreams I donít understand I can never come off them so would I be able to compete and I wonder how these top athletes constantly cycle without facing low testosterone Ed!

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    You just stay with in the acceptable range of allowed test. Letís just say the range runs from 200-1200. You can cruise at 1199 and be within range.

    Now for those that come off, they need help with their timing and clearing metabolites to avoid detection. Most athletes donít get busted for the actual steroids (although plenty do), theyíre often busted for PCT drugs that are illegal too

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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    You just stay with in the acceptable range of allowed test. Let’s just say the range runs from 200-1200. You can cruise at 1199 and be within range.

    Now for those that come off, they need help with their timing and clearing metabolites to avoid detection. Most athletes don’t get busted for the actually steroids (although plenty do), they’re often busted for PCT drugs that are illegal too
    That’s what I thought I talked to my trainer and he told me just stay in range on ur test! But I feel like since I can’t come off I’m cursed or something like I have bad karma,I was a good fighter even with low testosterone ! And like I said how do fighters come off without getting caught especially cycle after cycle your Hpta is bound to not recover? And being on a serm for months is easily detectable?

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    If you are diagnosed with low T, you just need to keep your testosterone within normal range, as S&D said. Knowing that and knowing how difficult it is to come off, why make things harder on yourself?
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    Who says MMA fighters are "on" or "come off?" And, who can answer that or answer questions about karma? We only know about AAS and weight lifting things.
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    Your curse was being diagnosed with low testosterone .

    Take it up with Chael Sonnen, Forrest Griffen, Rampage, Frank Mir, Dan Henderson, Vitor Belfort, Antonio Silva and countless others. Until you make it to the UFC, I wouldn’t concern myself with it and you’ll be disadvantaged in those ranges. Kudos to your training, but being on the higher end of the established normal range will not be a detriment to your karma
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    I said how do fighters come off without getting caught especially cycle after cycle
    Getting caught, sometimes you can't help it, John Jon's pictogram is still buzzing in my ears... It's a risk you take... Just think about it, when you get big you will only fight on demand so less work to clean yourself out, starting is always a struggle. get Connor or kabib in the ring, you set for life lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    Your curse was being diagnosed with low testosterone .

    Take it up with Chael Sonnen, Forrest Griffen, Rampage, Frank Mir, Dan Henderson, Vitor Belfort, Antonio Silva and countless others. Until you make it to the UFC, I wouldnít concern myself with it and youíll be disadvantaged in those ranges. Kudos to your training, but being on the higher end of the established normal range will not be a detriment to your karma
    What do you mean disadvantaged? I spar ufc fighters in my gym and know I could hold my own with them even when I had low t! Now Iím just worried Iím gonna never make it to the top level because if I got cursed with low t wouldnít i be cursed with a loosing record? I could really use some reinsurance i was so upset to find out I had low t my doctor said itís from weight cuts and smoking tobacco,weed!
    My trainer told me donít worry itís very easy to get away with taking testosterone but Iím worried about just overall karma and being cursed young in my career itís gonna be a tough career? I always won even when I had low t!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dgs59 View Post
    Getting caught, sometimes you can't help it, John Jon's pictogram is still buzzing in my ears... It's a risk you take... Just think about it, when you get big you will only fight on demand so less work to clean yourself out, starting is always a struggle. get Connor or kabib in the ring, you set for life lol
    I was reading about how USAda test are random times if ur being tested 20 times a year how would u be able to cycle off? U could get away with microdosing but it takes weeks to restart your system and your bound to get caught if your fighting 2-3 times a year if your pct!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    I was reading about how USAda test are random times if ur being tested 20 times a year how would u be able to cycle off? U could get away with microdosing but it takes weeks to restart your system and your bound to get caught if your fighting 2-3 times a year if your pct!
    I don't think it will be that many a year suprise tests even if you are on a contract. That's seems too much, Woodley for example still in the contract, look at the beast, he is on all year long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dgs59 View Post
    I don't think it will be that many a year suprise tests even if you are on a contract. That's seems too much, Woodley for example still in the contract, look at the beast, he is on all year long.
    How do you know? Wood let stays on all year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    How do you know? Wood let stays on all year!
    Yes you are right, I can't say for sure, just hearing from other fighters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dgs59 View Post
    Yes you are right, I can't say for sure, just hearing from other fighters.
    Personally U heard it from professionals?
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    There is no exemption for any use of testosterone now. Even for trt, and with usada some of these guys are being tested a rediculous amount of time. They make it public how many times the athletes have been tested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstone View Post
    There is no exemption for any use of testosterone now. Even for trt, and with usada some of these guys are being tested a rediculous amount of time. They make it public how many times the athletes have been tested.
    Yes so how fighters come off no way these guys are cycling 2.3 times a year without sacrificing there erections! Like I said I know how to microdose but how do guys come off test it takes time to restart your system getting caught for a serm is much easier then being caught for microdose of test sus!

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    Is there a list of substances they explicitly check for or do they just go by normal hormonal ranges? I'm quite certain (though not 100% sure) that there are ways of avoiding detection, depending on how they test.

    For example, lets say as part of TRT, you are using Test and HCG , probably no AI because MMA fighters tend to be lean as f*ck all (Tank Abbot notwithstanding). Further, lets say that your doses keep you in clinically normal range, maybe towards the upper end.

    So, unless there are tests that can explicitly detect external testosterone and accurately say that it is foreign, or there are explicit checks for HCG somehow, I don't know where the problem would be. MAYBE LH/FSH being in the dumps with a high normal test score would be an indicator, but maybe there are ways around that.

    I'm just speculating here, obviously. I find it hard nearly impossible to believe that the big names aren't full of PEDs, they just have the money for the high end drugs that help with detection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    Is there a list of substances they explicitly check for or do they just go by normal hormonal ranges? I'm quite certain (though not 100% sure) that there are ways of avoiding detection, depending on how they test.

    For example, lets say as part of TRT, you are using Test and HCG , probably no AI because MMA fighters tend to be lean as f*ck all (Tank Abbot notwithstanding). Further, lets say that your doses keep you in clinically normal range, maybe towards the upper end.

    So, unless there are tests that can explicitly detect external testosterone and accurately say that it is foreign, or there are explicit checks for HCG somehow, I don't know where the problem would be. MAYBE LH/FSH being in the dumps with a high normal test score would be an indicator, but maybe there are ways around that.

    I'm just speculating here, obviously. I find it hard nearly impossible to believe that the big names aren't full of PEDs, they just have the money for the high end drugs that help with detection.
    My question is how are these guys constantly coming off 2.3 big cycles a year would destroy your natural production? Especially with all that weight cutting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    My question is how are these guys constantly coming off 2.3 big cycles a year would destroy your natural production? Especially with all that weight cutting
    Right, and I think the consensus is one of two things:
    1 - they blast and cruise ie they do a cycle then drop down to TRT doses in between cycles aka blasts
    2 - they make the absolute best of just 'regular' TRT
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    You have all of the answers that are available. Best of luck with this issue!
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    What about karma!

    Quote Originally Posted by Quester View Post
    You have all of the answers that are available. Best of luck with this issue!
    As someone who is deep into sprirtuality! I was a good fighter even with low t low sex drive!
    Do you think the universe cursing me with low t means I wonít make it far!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    As someone who is deep into sprirtuality! I was a good fighter even with low t low sex drive!
    Do you think the universe cursing me with low t means I won’t make it far!
    Dude, with all due respect, get over all this talk about being cursed and stop whining. You already know what you can and should do to fix your problem, does it really matter if you have low T because "the universe is cursing you", you have bad genetics or any of the infinite reasons that could make you have low T levels? Unless it's a treatable condition makes absolute no difference, you aren't the first one to have it and won't be the last, it's not a curse, it's not only you, it something that just happen, change your mindset or your won't make it far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    As someone who is deep into sprirtuality! I was a good fighter even with low t low sex drive!
    Do you think the universe cursing me with low t means I won’t make it far!
    This mindset is the curse bro. I am sorry but it is what it is. Own your shit up, make the best with the worst you have. The top athletes might never come off and just influence testing procedure using their well influence. Or they might be natural, one in a million/century kinda spawn of gods. You can cook up multiple scenario but it just doesn't matter. You need to change your mindset otherwise everything will head south for you. Believe in yourself for once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    Personally U heard it from professionals?
    Neh man, on podcasts and interviews, not personally

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    What do you mean disadvantaged? I spar ufc fighters in my gym and know I could hold my own with them even when I had low t! Now I’m just worried I’m gonna never make it to the top level because if I got cursed with low t wouldn’t i be cursed with a loosing record? I could really use some reinsurance i was so upset to find out I had low t my doctor said it’s from weight cuts and smoking tobacco,weed!
    My trainer told me don’t worry it’s very easy to get away with taking testosterone but I’m worried about just overall karma and being cursed young in my career it’s gonna be a tough career? I always won even when I had low t!
    345 isn't even that low is it? Did you ever use before you got the low T? Kinda sad that it seems every mma fighter is using pea's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmaman View Post
    My question is how are these guys constantly coming off 2.3 big cycles a year would destroy your natural production? Especially with all that weight cutting
    Who says they are doing all this trt? Fighting is a young mans game. Young people don't need trt. Stop thinking everyone needs to cheat just because you do.

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    "I was a good fighter even with low t low sex drive!"

    So, you don't really have a problem then, do you? That number is just a number, at one point in time. Even if it does average that over time.

    If you are winning fights against well trained fighters, what does that number mean? If you hadn't ever gotten tested you wouldn't even know it's "low". Nothing has changed, except now you know your natural test might run on the low end of normal.

    If your body functions well at that level, don't add test. Simple. I don't understand why you are freaking out if you are performing well in the ring. It sounds like you were doing well, then saw a test number all of a sudden all of your training and conditioning just disappeared all at once?

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