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    Blast and cruise advice

    Hi all,

    Having come to the end of my latest cycle, I've made the tentative decision to continue using testosterone for the foreseeable future. Prior to outlining my latest cycle, I don't think i would have a given the idea of cruising much consideration, but from some advice i was given on here and the issues i have off cycle, I began looking into it and have drawn up a really basic plan as below:

    Test E 120 mg EW ( Mon/Wed/Fri)
    250 iu HCG EW

    i'm considering adding HGH at some point, but don't really know how or if it would be beneficial. For anyone with experience or who blasts and cruises, what do you think of think of this cycle? Also -


    What effect does cruising have on your balls? On cycle regardless of how much HCG I run, my balls shrink to nothing.
    My test levels prior to starting my cycle was 640 ng/dl - so a part of me wonders if i should just run a PCT and wait until my natty test levels are tanked before I cruise.
    The primary reason I want to blast and cruise is to maintain my size. Off cycle is a constant struggle to hold onto the weight my body doesn't seem to like or want. As a natural ectomorph, i understand that surpassing my genetic limit is a factor.


    One issue I have is that I'm now out of gear and awaiting my order, and due to the current worldwide situation, it's taking a lot longer than usual, so as a result I haven't pinned in nearly two weeks. I'm hoping it'll turn up this week and wondered if perhaps the first pin should be a little higher due to depleted test levels? The only thing i'm using is Proviron at 50 mg ED, which is keeping me full and hard.

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    Stock up on your future orders for extra gear.

    I would do 250IU HCG the MWF of your injections for 750IU Total

    Your HRT is pretty basic. I don't know your age but I would also consider adding in 100mg Deca per week (can split that up into MWF as well). It's quite inexpensive.

    I would also make sure you are supplementing with DHEA and Vitamin D3.

    HGH is certainly beneficial but it has in my opinion the worst mileage relative to the price. For the price of 1 month of HGH you could use the same money and invest in MK677 + EQ + Deca + Anavar and get a lot farther
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Stock up on your future orders for extra gear.

    I would do 250IU HCG the MWF of your injections for 750IU Total

    Your HRT is pretty basic. I don't know your age but I would also consider adding in 100mg Deca per week (can split that up into MWF as well). It's quite inexpensive.

    I would also make sure you are supplementing with DHEA and Vitamin D3.

    HGH is certainly beneficial but it has in my opinion the worst mileage relative to the price. For the price of 1 month of HGH you could use the same money and invest in MK677 + EQ + Deca + Anavar and get a lot farther
    Yes, my cycle is really basic, but as this is new territory for me, I just want to be cautious, but saying that, if i decide to run nandrolone , would NPP be ok?

    Is there any added benefit to taking 750 IU HCG EW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee_1978 View Post
    Hi all,

    Having come to the end of my latest cycle, I've made the tentative decision to continue using testosterone for the foreseeable future. Prior to outlining my latest cycle, I don't think i would have a given the idea of cruising much consideration, but from some advice i was given on here and the issues i have off cycle, I began looking into it and have drawn up a really basic plan as below:

    Test E 120 mg EW ( Mon/Wed/Fri)
    250 iu HCG EW

    i'm considering adding HGH at some point, but don't really know how or if it would be beneficial. For anyone with experience or who blasts and cruises, what do you think of think of this cycle? Also -


    What effect does cruising have on your balls? On cycle regardless of how much HCG I run, my balls shrink to nothing.
    My test levels prior to starting my cycle was 640 ng/dl - so a part of me wonders if i should just run a PCT and wait until my natty test levels are tanked before I cruise.
    The primary reason I want to blast and cruise is to maintain my size. Off cycle is a constant struggle to hold onto the weight my body doesn't seem to like or want. As a natural ectomorph, i understand that surpassing my genetic limit is a factor.


    One issue I have is that I'm now out of gear and awaiting my order, and due to the current worldwide situation, it's taking a lot longer than usual, so as a result I haven't pinned in nearly two weeks. I'm hoping it'll turn up this week and wondered if perhaps the first pin should be a little higher due to depleted test levels? The only thing i'm using is Proviron at 50 mg ED, which is keeping me full and hard.
    Here’s what I do:
    Testosterone Cypionate - 200mg per week
    Primobolan Enanthate - 200mg per week
    HCG - 500ius per week

    Optional:
    Nandrolone Decanoate - 100-200mg per week (Good for your joints)

    Trenbolone Enanthate - 100mg per week (I don’t recommend cruising on Tren , as one of the major points of a cruise is to give your androgen receptors a rest. However it’s a small dose, but enough to keep you hard and nasty looking if you should find yourself cruising at maintenance calories or a slight deficit.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    Here’s what I do:
    Testosterone Cypionate - 200mg per week
    Primobolan Enanthate - 200mg per week
    HCG - 500ius per week

    Optional:
    Nandrolone Decanoate - 100-200mg per week (Good for your joints)

    Trenbolone Enanthate - 100mg per week (I don’t recommend cruising on Tren, as one of the major points of a cruise is to give your androgen receptors a rest. However it’s a small dose, but enough to keep you hard and nasty looking if you should find yourself cruising at maintenance calories or a slight deficit.)
    Wow, that would be a cycle for me!

    What does the primo do for you while you cruise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee_1978 View Post
    Yes, my cycle is really basic, but as this is new territory for me, I just want to be cautious, but saying that, if i decide to run nandrolone , would NPP be ok?

    Is there any added benefit to taking 750 IU HCG EW?
    NPP would require every other day injections which would add confusion to your current protocol. You'd be better off using Deca and then NPP when you want to blast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee_1978 View Post
    Wow, that would be a cycle for me!

    What does the primo do for you while you cruise?
    Keeps protein synthesis sky high

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    NPP would require every other day injections which would add confusion to your current protocol. You'd be better off using Deca and then NPP when you want to blast.
    Cool.

    What dose would you use if running deca alongside test on a cruise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Stock up on your future orders for extra gear.

    I would do 250IU HCG the MWF of your injections for 750IU Total

    Your HRT is pretty basic. I don't know your age but I would also consider adding in 100mg Deca per week (can split that up into MWF as well). It's quite inexpensive.

    I would also make sure you are supplementing with DHEA and Vitamin D3.

    HGH is certainly beneficial but it has in my opinion the worst mileage relative to the price. For the price of 1 month of HGH you could use the same money and invest in MK677 + EQ + Deca + Anavar and get a lot farther
    Just realised you've answered my question about dosing deca.

    Isn't the point of a cruise about maintenance? Wouldn't it be better to save the EQ and Anavar for a blast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee_1978 View Post
    Just realised you've answered my question about dosing deca .

    Isn't the point of a cruise about maintenance? Wouldn't it be better to save the EQ and Anavar for a blast?
    Neither EQ or Anavar are androgenic -based compounds. Blasting works best with androgenic compounds in addition to increasing dose.

    At 200mg EQ per week or 20mg of Anavar a day you get tons of anabolic benefits without health side effects.
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    If money is not a factor, theres no reason not to run hgh year round. I love that shit. It made me thicker and denser.

    On the flipside if you cannot commit to hgh theres no point in it. It takes years of use to REALLY see the size increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octaneforce View Post
    If money is not a factor, theres no reason not to run hgh year round. I love that shit. It made me thicker and denser.

    On the flipside if you cannot commit to hgh theres no point in it. It takes years of use to REALLY see the size increase.
    Exactly - it is the barrier of entry when it comes to GH. MK677 seems to be the budget alternative though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Exactly - it is the barrier of entry when it comes to GH. MK677 seems to be the budget alternative though.

    It's like the Walmart of GH, but works every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Neither EQ or Anavar are androgenic -based compounds. Blasting works best with androgenic compounds in addition to increasing dose.

    At 200mg EQ per week or 20mg of Anavar a day you get tons of anabolic benefits without health side effects.
    Got it.


    I'm going to stick with deca and test for now and perhaps somewhere down the line I'll incorporate other compounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Exactly - it is the barrier of entry when it comes to GH. MK677 seems to be the budget alternative though.
    I'm intrigued - one to read up on for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee_1978 View Post
    Hi all,

    Having come to the end of my latest cycle, I've made the tentative decision to continue using testosterone for the foreseeable future. Prior to outlining my latest cycle, I don't think i would have a given the idea of cruising much consideration, but from some advice i was given on here and the issues i have off cycle, I began looking into it and have drawn up a really basic plan as below:

    Test E 120 mg EW ( Mon/Wed/Fri)
    250 iu HCG EW

    i'm considering adding HGH at some point, but don't really know how or if it would be beneficial. For anyone with experience or who blasts and cruises, what do you think of think of this cycle? Also -


    What effect does cruising have on your balls? On cycle regardless of how much HCG I run, my balls shrink to nothing.

    Are you planning on staying on TRT for the rest of your life? You can recover after cruise but you are playing with fire if you stay on for extended periods of time.

    Regardless of HCG your still going to shut yourself down so your balls will still take a hit. If your worried about fertility I’d consider running a PCT now as you haven’t jabbed in a while and following this check your sperm so you have know your baseline and can freeze some as well. Then go back on and cruise if that’s what you want to do.



    My test levels prior to starting my cycle was 640 ng/dl - so a part of me wonders if i should just run a PCT and wait until my natty test levels are tanked before I cruise.
    The primary reason I want to blast and cruise is to maintain my size. Off cycle is a constant struggle to hold onto the weight my body doesn't seem to like or want. As a natural ectomorph, i understand that surpassing my genetic limit is a factor.

    It’s down to you man, if you understand the potential health risks and fertility isn’t a worry/you’ve frozen some sperm then go ahead! I started cruising (TRT = 150mg p/w, HCG 500IU 2x p/w) a couple of years ago and I love it, no dips in hormone levels gym performance is consistent... lots of benefits!


    One issue I have is that I'm now out of gear and awaiting my order, and due to the current worldwide situation, it's taking a lot longer than usual, so as a result I haven't pinned in nearly two weeks. I'm hoping it'll turn up this week and wondered if perhaps the first pin should be a little higher due to depleted test levels? The only thing i'm using is Proviron at 50 mg ED, which is keeping me full and hard. When your gear comes start with your planned TRT regimen (if you decide to go ahead), no need to shoot more. That’s your bigorexia brain kicking in... a few weeks taking nothing wont have much of an impact at all providing your eating well and training...
    ^^^

    Hope this helps...
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    Can you blast and cruise Anavar /primo ? if so Which one would you use if you could use either

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverBack G's View Post
    Can you blast and cruise Anavar/primo ? if so Which one would you use if you could use either
    Primo is fine as it is not known to be liver toxic. Anavar is one of the least liver toxic oral steroids , but they are all toxic to some degree. I would never run an oral year round, hell I don’t even run orals in my cycles. I think if you looked at two identical twins over 5 years and one took orals and the other didn’t, you wouldn’t know the difference. Orals just makes shit work faster but they don’t help you keep it once you’re off.

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    I see, good to know thank you!

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    All in all i think its better to do a PCT.
    Why buff all the time?. Boring.
    Try to better training and diett. Add mk677.
    Learn how to get gympump wo the anabolics. So much efficient pre workout nuttrients.
    As Piana stated. Come off. Be in charge. Dont let your life and body be ruled by drugs.
    Ull be buff in two weeks next time.

    More mass u hold on to, less mass u gain next time because u dont wanna do crazy dosages.

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    You might need more HCG to support your testes. But 250 mg might work well. I advise you to purchase juice in https://120kgs.org/injectables-steroids
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    Quote Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin View Post
    As Piana stated. Come off. Be in charge. Dont let your life and body be ruled by drugs.

    He should have taken his own advice....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Primo is fine as it is not known to be liver toxic. Anavar is one of the least liver toxic oral steroids, but they are all toxic to some degree. I would never run an oral year round, hell I don’t even run orals in my cycles. I think if you looked at two identical twins over 5 years and one took orals and the other didn’t, you wouldn’t know the difference. Orals just makes shit work faster but they don’t help you keep it once you’re off.
    Anavar was created in part for people with failing livers. Liver toxicity and Kidney Renal strain are the 2 most misunderstood organs with respect to AAS.

    I have a colleague that's been on Therapeutic Anavar for the last 5 years and has a better lipid profile than 99% of Americans walking around.

    I don't know where you got the idea that anything from orals isn't maintainable but that's simply not true. Just because the water weight disappears when you stop taking Dbol doesn't mean you didn't create muscular hypertrophy while on due to lifting heavier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    He should have taken his own advice....
    He should have stayed off the blow at 300 pounds

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    He should have taken his own advice....
    Stil, its a good advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    He should have stayed off the blow at 300 pounds
    Not necessarely. But when u in a periode of your life use heavy doses of HGH straight for 15 years and get addicted to stims later on, ull run into problems later, roidblows or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    He should have stayed off the blow at 300 pounds
    Shhh it was pre-workout powder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Anavar was created in part for people with failing livers. Liver toxicity and Kidney Renal strain are the 2 most misunderstood organs with respect to AAS.

    I have a colleague that's been on Therapeutic Anavar for the last 5 years and has a better lipid profile than 99% of Americans walking around.

    I don't know where you got the idea that anything from orals isn't maintainable but that's simply not true. Just because the water weight disappears when you stop taking Dbol doesn't mean you didn't create muscular hypertrophy while on due to lifting heavier.
    Iím not saying that gains from orals are not maintainable. Iím saying that just because they help someone get to their goal faster through quicker absorption, water retention, etc., doesnít mean it will improve one's physique in the long run. I think that people should aim to look the best they can at TRT doses, not at the peak of their cycles. To me, orals are like a turbo charger, in that yes it will make you go faster, but at the cost of wear and tear. Personally Iím not trying to hurry up and put on 10 lbs in 4 weeks. For what? If there is ANY chance of liver toxicity, I donít want anything to do with it. Same with sarms . Chance of cancer? Fuck that. For what? 5 extra lbs youíll probably lose right after the cycle is over. People on here are pretty wreckless with their protocols I believe. Steroid users in general are. Iím not trying to put my body at more risk than it needs to be, so orals to me are not worth it. Iím 33 years old, I trained 17 years naturally, why do I need to hurry up and add 10 lbs and also strain my liver. Maybe your friend doesnít have liver problems, but all the studies show that anavar is hepatotoxic, so Iíll take those studies over someoneís anecdotal experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Maybe your friend doesn’t have liver problems, but all the studies show that anavar is hepatotoxic, so I’ll take those studies over someone’s anecdotal experience.

    Var may be hepatotoxic in larger doses (to some) but I don't recall studies showing negative responses to low dose therapy. It's a healing agent even used low dose and long term in children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eduke93 View Post
    ^^^

    Hope this helps...
    Great advice.

    I gave no fertility issues or concerns about freezing sperm.

    Have toy had a 'break' since starting cruising?

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