ESTROGEN . will save your life !!

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[i_SLAM_cougars]

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Time to ramp the test and dbol

[GearHeaded]

Gearheaded,

so if you want to design a cycle to boost up your sex drive how do you do?

I said that because, in a few cycles you can put a lot of Muscle mass, but your libido or sex drive, went down.

So in your oppinion, the best is to stay away from masteron , proviron , and all that can kill the estrogen?

You are total against test only cycle. seeing your point of view, the test only is the best for libido. Is that correct.

So deca is also bad for sex drive, because you said that kill estrogen. But the prolactin is raised. Are you sure, the estrogen are the only responsible for the sex drive.

Sorry for all this questions. But there is a lot of point of views.

you need estrogen for libido (thats what controls libido) and you need DHT to get an erection and function.. to put it another way , estrogen works in the brain receptors while dht works on the physical.

if your running cycles and losing your sex drive then your not properly stacking your compounds .. you need both estrogen and dht (androgens).

if you stack something like Masteron , which will lower your SHBG and thus free up more DHT . that is fine .. you just need an estrogenic compound to go along with that ,, like test or dbol .


side note -- deca can kill sex drive though a couple mechanisms. the first being progestin activity (it will bind to progestins receptors and can raise prolactin levels too high) .. but the main thing , imo, is that it converts to DHN rather then DHT .. DHN will bind to DHT receptors but provide no androgenic activity.. so you have all this worthless DHN occupying receptors and then DHT levels falling off on top of that . then Deca crashes sex drive (cause it doesn't really convert to estrogen either... so you have falling DHT and estrogen levels)..
I'm NOT a fan of Deca only cycles at all

[GearHeaded]

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yep , told you estrogen could save your life

been preaching this on here for a long time and been against AIs for a long time .... now we have a deadly virus and their injecting men with estrogen who get the virus .


estrogen is NOT a female only hormone people . its an essential hormone on so many levels

[i_SLAM_cougars]

yep , told you estrogen could save your life

been preaching this on here for a long time and been against AIs for a long time .... now we have a deadly virus and their injecting men with estrogen who get the virus .


estrogen is NOT a female only hormone people . its an essential hormone on so many levels

They should be injecting them with estrogen AND Tren hex. Just sayin’...

[clarky.]

Estrogen..... It has to be within range for males, so not over nor under. ??? It is not something to be played about with ffs.

[GearHeaded]

Estrogen..... It has to be within range for males, so not over nor under. ??? It is not something to be played about with ffs.

the "normal range" on blood work is designed for your 70 year old neighbor ... not for a guy that shoots steroids and lifts a lot of weight.
the "range" does not apply to us . we are not "normal" and the normal range is not normal for us .... our androgen levels may be 10,000.. whereas the "normal range" for estrogen for blood work is based on an androgen level of like 300 ... huge difference.

normal ranges don't apply for estrogen for those of us who are blasting gear ..

Trt is a different story

[The road]

Estrogen..... It has to be within range for males, so not over nor under. ??? It is not something to be played about with ffs.

Is testosterone something to be played with? It has to be in range for males right?

[clarky.]

the "normal range" on blood work is designed for your 70 year old neighbor ... not for a guy that shoots steroids and lifts a lot of weight.
the "range" does not apply to us . we are not "normal" and the normal range is not normal for us .... our androgen levels may be 10,000.. whereas the "normal range" for estrogen for blood work is based on an androgen level of like 300 ... huge difference.

normal ranges don't apply for estrogen for those of us who are blasting gear ..

Trt is a different story

Absolutely.

[kelkel]

GH, came across this yesterday. Fits in perfectly with what you've been saying about estrogen since you've been here:


https://jayccampbell.com/blog/estrog...ers-are-dying/

[GearHeaded]

GH, came across this yesterday. Fits in perfectly with what you've been saying about estrogen since you've been here:


https://jayccampbell.com/blog/estrog...ers-are-dying/

thank you for posting this Kel ..

I know when I first joined these forums and went on my anti AI and pro estrogen mission and rantings I got a lot of kick back from guys... glad to see opened minded discussions about this now

[GearHeaded]

GH, came across this yesterday. Fits in perfectly with what you've been saying about estrogen since you've been here:


https://jayccampbell.com/blog/estrog...ers-are-dying/

^ I feel like this article justifies a ton of things I've been "preaching" on this forum for years ... great article , needs to get out to lots of people and clinics

[kelkel]

thank you for posting this Kel ..

I know when I first joined these forums and went on my anti AI and pro estrogen mission and rantings I got a lot of kick back from guys... glad to see opened minded discussions about this now

Old dogs new tricks, right! I've always said BB'ers, etc. have always been on the cutting edge of science when it comes to this arena. And yes, you did catch your share of shit over it.

^ I feel like this article justifies a ton of things I've been "preaching" on this forum for years ... great article , needs to get out to lots of people and clinics

For sure. We can keep it alive here.

[The road]

GH, came across this yesterday. Fits in perfectly with what you've been saying about estrogen since you've been here:


https://jayccampbell.com/blog/estrog...ers-are-dying/

This photo was in the article.
Thats a 20 ml syringe with white shit in it.
The only white AAS I know of is test suspension...

That guy wont be able to open his arm for three months.

I want to see this guy 1 week after he injects that

[ejkakat]

Ok, im sold, will drop ai just started 125/125 ed test/deca , did quite bit of reading on it, lets see how it goes, im excited .

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[ejkakat]

By the way gearheaded, did you ever used ai? If so how gains compare ai vs no ai?

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[clarky.]

That is a great read kel.

[GearHeaded]

By the way gearheaded, did you ever used ai? If so how gains compare ai vs no ai?

I had scripted AI from my TRT clinic like 10 years ago .. I never even made it through the first bottle let alone ever refilled the prescription. never liked the way made me feel. so started studying AI's and negative effects they can have and didn't like what I had come across..
so my suggestion for not using AI is based on both anecdotal personal experience and research experience..

also working with clients . once I convinced them not to use an AI or worry about estrogen levels (and just design good cycles), they got the best gains and put on much more size and felt good..
heard a lot of pros talk about how they gained most their size when they were younger and running gear and not messing with AI's at all ,, even if they got gyno, they still admit they had the most gains not messing with AI's


theres a reason why Cattle before slaughter are bulked up with both androgen AND estrogen injections

[i_SLAM_cougars]

All I got out of this was “up the test, and take more dbol ” or you’ll die earlier. Message received. Will comply.

[cybervtec]

you need estrogen for libido (thats what controls libido) and you need DHT to get an erection and function.. to put it another way , estrogen works in the brain receptors while dht works on the physical.

if your running cycles and losing your sex drive then your not properly stacking your compounds .. you need both estrogen and dht (androgens).

if you stack something like Masteron , which will lower your SHBG and thus free up more DHT . that is fine .. you just need an estrogenic compound to go along with that ,, like test or dbol .


side note -- deca can kill sex drive though a couple mechanisms. the first being progestin activity (it will bind to progestins receptors and can raise prolactin levels too high) .. but the main thing , imo, is that it converts to DHN rather then DHT .. DHN will bind to DHT receptors but provide no androgenic activity.. so you have all this worthless DHN occupying receptors and then DHT levels falling off on top of that . then Deca crashes sex drive (cause it doesn't really convert to estrogen either... so you have falling DHT and estrogen levels)..
I'm NOT a fan of Deca only cycles at all

Thanks for the help!

So in your oppinion wich is the best compounds to raisde dht?

i dont know if i do it well, but after reading your posts, i start to give up the AI, and try to get the best results of the compounds without the use of ai to get maximum benefit of estrogen.

But i keep only the caber, to decrease the elevated prolactin from tren or deca. i dont know if caber touch anyhow some axels and decrease the efect or possibility of gain muscle mass.

How can i solve the problem of the dhn? Besides drop deca?

Thanks again for all the help Gearheaded

[956Vette]

Putting this here.

[ejkakat]

Fifth day with no arimidex on deca /test 125/125ed,
Feeling better then before with ai, no nipple action going on, endless energy, insane pumps, so far loving it, will stick with it and report on gains in few weeks.

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[GearHeaded]

Thanks for the help!

So in your oppinion wich is the best compounds to raisde dht?

i dont know if i do it well, but after reading your posts, i start to give up the AI, and try to get the best results of the compounds without the use of ai to get maximum benefit of estrogen.

But i keep only the caber, to decrease the elevated prolactin from tren or deca . i dont know if caber touch anyhow some axels and decrease the efect or possibility of gain muscle mass.

How can i solve the problem of the dhn? Besides drop deca?

Thanks again for all the help Gearheaded

the healthier way, and most anabolic way, to keep progestin/prolactin in check is to drop the caber (which is bad for your heart and not anabolic at all) is to run MATERON ,, it will blunt progestin receptors. it also has some anti estrogenic properties. and of course its anabolic and builds muscle.

also Masteron will lower SHBG , which will then free up more DHT into the blood stream . and thats how you take care of too much DHN, is simply by giving your body enough DHT.

^ you get those two things accomplished with one fairly safe and anabolic compound

[clarky.]

Putting this here.

Jay looks like he is on Amphetamine or charli lol.

[cybervtec]

the healthier way, and most anabolic way, to keep progestin/prolactin in check is to drop the caber (which is bad for your heart and not anabolic at all) is to run MATERON ,, it will blunt progestin receptors. it also has some anti estrogenic properties. and of course its anabolic and builds muscle.

also Masteron will lower SHBG , which will then free up more DHT into the blood stream . and thats how you take care of too much DHN, is simply by giving your body enough DHT.

^ you get those two things accomplished with one fairly safe and anabolic compound

Thanks for the help.

I use caber because the deca and Tren dick.

I Guess there is a sticky post about the tren that Anthony, i dont remember the name of the user, Said caber is the way.

But i Will drop and start using master.

Any advice in dosagem?

100mg eod?

Thanks again for all the help

[cybervtec]

the healthier way, and most anabolic way, to keep progestin/prolactin in check is to drop the caber (which is bad for your heart and not anabolic at all) is to run MATERON ,, it will blunt progestin receptors. it also has some anti estrogenic properties. and of course its anabolic and builds muscle.

also Masteron will lower SHBG , which will then free up more DHT into the blood stream . and thats how you take care of too much DHN, is simply by giving your body enough DHT.

^ you get those two things accomplished with one fairly safe and anabolic compound

Is the same for tren use?

Or ONLY aply to deca ?

[gains3000]

Estrogen is highly anabolic , cardioprotective, neuroprotective etc, but letting your estrogen go sky high and becoming a bloat lord is not healthy. just dont pop ai's like candy. take a small amount (when needed) and don't use them on a cruise.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Estrogen is highly anabolic, cardioprotective, neuroprotective etc, but letting your estrogen go sky high and becoming a bloat lord is not healthy. just dont pop ai's like candy. take a small amount (when needed) and don't use them on a cruise.

Water retention can be largely controlled through diet. Took me awhile to figure that out, but it’s the biggest factor with water retention. Or you can just take some duirex and piss it out.

[GearHeaded]

Estrogen is highly anabolic, cardioprotective, neuroprotective etc, but letting your estrogen go sky high and becoming a bloat lord is not healthy. just dont pop ai's like candy. take a small amount (when needed) and don't use them on a cruise.

water retention is mainly caused by the drugs themselves, the androgen load.. not necessarily estrogen specifically (though it can play a small part).. the idea that bloat and water retention is only because of elevated estrogen is wrong.
and as slam cougars mentioned, diet plays a much bigger role.

but on the other hand, so what. if your trying to grow, water retention is a good thing and will help you put on size.


also you say its not good to let your estrogen levels get too high .. why not ? ir your perfectly ok with blasting androgens and getting your Test levels to very high supra physiological levels , why the heck are you afraid of getting your E levels high on occasions as well ?
heck, its probably more unhealthy walking around with 6000 ng/dl of test then it is walking around with above normal levels of estrogen, yet we don't blink an eye at that do we, we blast high androgens multiple times per year without thinking twice.. yet we are afraid of a little bit of elevated estrogen, lol

[GearHeaded]

Is the same for tren use?

Or ONLY aply to deca?

yes, Tren is a derivative of Nandrolone . as such it will act directly on progestin receptors and overly sensitize you to estrogen (which is a good thing depending on your situation).. so running Masteron with it is a good idea.

however, unlike Deca , Tren is very androgenic and does not convert to DHN. quite the opposite, it will act directly on receptors as an androgen itself (unlike deca)..
deca is basically an anti androgen, where as tren is a very strong androgen

[cybervtec]

yes, Tren is a derivative of Nandrolone . as such it will act directly on progestin receptors and overly sensitize you to estrogen (which is a good thing depending on your situation).. so running Masteron with it is a good idea.

however, unlike Deca , Tren is very androgenic and does not convert to DHN. quite the opposite, it will act directly on receptors as an androgen itself (unlike deca)..
deca is basically an anti androgen, where as tren is a very strong androgen

Let me see if i understand...

Always masteron with tren or deca to avoid the prolactina raise.

That way i dont need caber.

But if i understand what you have been told the libido depends on estrogen and dht.

Estrogen Will raise with test. But tren is 5 Times more anabolic than test.

When we use tren no need to use só much test.

If we use until now 750mg of test, the estradiol Will be on top. If we drop the test... Thre Will be unbalanced.

How is the best way to Control that after i use

Test + npp + eq + master

Im thinking in now switch to

Test + tren + master + oxa or winny.

What do you think?

Sorry all this questions but the more we learn less mistakes we Will do.

The main questions remains the best to use with tren 😁😁😁

Thanks

[Rainshaker]

Excellent read guys, great info here. I'll be skipping the adex from now on. If a guy was to run into gyno issues, would you just treat with Nolva in that case? Also what do you guys find is the most important diet factor when it comes to keeping BP in check. I find that LOTS of insoluble fiber helps keep my BP down. I also have to wonder if it doesnt help with bloat by pulling water to the colon, just a thought...

[Getsomehate]

[/QUOTE] side note -- deca can kill sex drive though a couple mechanisms. the first being progestin activity (it will bind to progestins receptors and can raise prolactin levels too high) .. but the main thing , imo, is that it converts to DHN rather then DHT .. DHN will bind to DHT receptors but provide no androgenic activity.. so you have all this worthless DHN occupying receptors and then DHT levels falling off on top of that . then Deca crashes sex drive (cause it doesn't really convert to estrogen either... so you have falling DHT and estrogen levels)..
I'm NOT a fan of Deca only cycles at all[/QUOTE]

Then how can u reduce the dhn from deca cycles and improve your sex drive ?
Inject more test ? Up
The dose on anabolics like proviron Masteron or var etc ? To free up test ?

Asking for myself as i can see my libido is really low on npp test proviron cycle , while i can easily get a boner using viagra , its just i am not in mood to bank.

[Honkey_Kong]

Balance is key IMO sure don;t crash it, but don;t let it go sky high either.

That's true. You don't want gyno. But anybody who has ever taken too much Arimidex can tell you, your joints are stiff and sore. Not to mention you can have some certain sexual dysfunction as well (it doesn't only happen when estradiol was too high).

[cybervtec]

side note -- deca can kill sex drive though a couple mechanisms. the first being progestin activity (it will bind to progestins receptors and can raise prolactin levels too high) .. but the main thing , imo, is that it converts to DHN rather then DHT .. DHN will bind to DHT receptors but provide no androgenic activity.. so you have all this worthless DHN occupying receptors and then DHT levels falling off on top of that . then Deca crashes sex drive (cause it doesn't really convert to estrogen either... so you have falling DHT and estrogen levels)..
I'm NOT a fan of Deca only cycles at all[/QUOTE]

Then how can u reduce the dhn from deca cycles and improve your sex drive ?
Inject more test ? Up
The dose on anabolics like proviron Masteron or var etc ? To free up test ?

Asking for myself as i can see my libido is really low on npp test proviron cycle , while i can easily get a boner using viagra , its just i am not in mood to bank.[/QUOTE]

Gear, already write that.

Use masteron while on cycle.

The test Will give you the estrogen needed, but you Aldo have to work your dht.

And that Will be solved with masteron

[Getsomehate]

side note -- deca can kill sex drive though a couple mechanisms. the first being progestin activity (it will bind to progestins receptors and can raise prolactin levels too high) .. but the main thing , imo, is that it converts to DHN rather then DHT .. DHN will bind to DHT receptors but provide no androgenic activity.. so you have all this worthless DHN occupying receptors and then DHT levels falling off on top of that . then Deca crashes sex drive (cause it doesn't really convert to estrogen either... so you have falling DHT and estrogen levels)..
I'm NOT a fan of Deca only cycles at all

Then how can u reduce the dhn from deca cycles and improve your sex drive ?
Inject more test ? Up
The dose on anabolics like proviron Masteron or var etc ? To free up test ?

Asking for myself as i can see my libido is really low on npp test proviron cycle , while i can easily get a boner using viagra , its just i am not in mood to bank.[/QUOTE]

Gear, already write that.

Use masteron while on cycle.

The test Will give you the estrogen needed, but you Aldo have to work your dht.

And that Will be solved with masteron[/QUOTE]

what if u dont have access to it ??

[Mula]

the healthier way, and most anabolic way, to keep progestin/prolactin in check is to drop the caber (which is bad for your heart and not anabolic at all) is to run MATERON ,, it will blunt progestin receptors. it also has some anti estrogenic properties. and of course its anabolic and builds muscle.

also Masteron will lower SHBG , which will then free up more DHT into the blood stream . and thats how you take care of too much DHN, is simply by giving your body enough DHT.

Very confusing what if you want to run a mild Test-P/Tren -A cycle without masteron ? Does this mean you don't have another choice than to run caber with it? Some say you don't need caber at all and don't notice the prolactin side effects at all. Hence i think it depends on the dose of tren you take. If you're somewhere around the 150-250 range per week it might be less prolactin inducing or not?