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04-28-2020, 09:54 AM #41Associate Member
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ESTROGEN . will save your life !!
Clinical trials of exogenous E2 administration to help combat Covid complications are underway.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liv...treatment.html
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04-28-2020, 11:59 AM #42Banned- for my own actions
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Time to ramp the test and dbol
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you need estrogen for libido (thats what controls libido) and you need DHT to get an erection and function.. to put it another way , estrogen works in the brain receptors while dht works on the physical.
if your running cycles and losing your sex drive then your not properly stacking your compounds .. you need both estrogen and dht (androgens).
if you stack something like Masteron , which will lower your SHBG and thus free up more DHT . that is fine .. you just need an estrogenic compound to go along with that ,, like test or dbol .
side note -- deca can kill sex drive though a couple mechanisms. the first being progestin activity (it will bind to progestins receptors and can raise prolactin levels too high) .. but the main thing , imo, is that it converts to DHN rather then DHT .. DHN will bind to DHT receptors but provide no androgenic activity.. so you have all this worthless DHN occupying receptors and then DHT levels falling off on top of that . then Deca crashes sex drive (cause it doesn't really convert to estrogen either... so you have falling DHT and estrogen levels)..
I'm NOT a fan of Deca only cycles at all
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yep , told you estrogen could save your life
been preaching this on here for a long time and been against AIs for a long time .... now we have a deadly virus and their injecting men with estrogen who get the virus .
estrogen is NOT a female only hormone people . its an essential hormone on so many levels
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05-01-2020, 08:26 AM #45Banned- for my own actions
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They should be injecting them with estrogen AND Tren hex. Just sayin’...
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05-02-2020, 05:02 PM #46MONITOR
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Estrogen..... It has to be within range for males, so not over nor under. ??? It is not something to be played about with ffs.
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the "normal range" on blood work is designed for your 70 year old neighbor ... not for a guy that shoots steroids and lifts a lot of weight.
the "range" does not apply to us . we are not "normal" and the normal range is not normal for us .... our androgen levels may be 10,000.. whereas the "normal range" for estrogen for blood work is based on an androgen level of like 300 ... huge difference.
normal ranges don't apply for estrogen for those of us who are blasting gear ..
Trt is a different story
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05-02-2020, 06:36 PM #48Banned- I said my goodbyes.
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Is testosterone something to be played with? It has to be in range for males right?
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05-03-2020, 11:17 AM #50
GH, came across this yesterday. Fits in perfectly with what you've been saying about estrogen since you've been here:
https://jayccampbell.com/blog/estrog...ers-are-dying/
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Ok, im sold, will drop ai just started 125/125 ed test/deca , did quite bit of reading on it, lets see how it goes, im excited .
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05-04-2020, 12:17 PM #56New Member
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By the way gearheaded, did you ever used ai? If so how gains compare ai vs no ai?
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That is a great read kel.
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I had scripted AI from my TRT clinic like 10 years ago .. I never even made it through the first bottle let alone ever refilled the prescription. never liked the way made me feel. so started studying AI's and negative effects they can have and didn't like what I had come across..
so my suggestion for not using AI is based on both anecdotal personal experience and research experience..
also working with clients . once I convinced them not to use an AI or worry about estrogen levels (and just design good cycles), they got the best gains and put on much more size and felt good..
heard a lot of pros talk about how they gained most their size when they were younger and running gear and not messing with AI's at all ,, even if they got gyno, they still admit they had the most gains not messing with AI's
theres a reason why Cattle before slaughter are bulked up with both androgen AND estrogen injections
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05-05-2020, 05:09 AM #59Banned- for my own actions
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All I got out of this was “up the test, and take more dbol ” or you’ll die earlier. Message received. Will comply.
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05-07-2020, 12:50 PM #60Junior Member
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Thanks for the help!
So in your oppinion wich is the best compounds to raisde dht?
i dont know if i do it well, but after reading your posts, i start to give up the AI, and try to get the best results of the compounds without the use of ai to get maximum benefit of estrogen.
But i keep only the caber, to decrease the elevated prolactin from tren or deca. i dont know if caber touch anyhow some axels and decrease the efect or possibility of gain muscle mass.
How can i solve the problem of the dhn? Besides drop deca?
Thanks again for all the help Gearheaded
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Why You Shouldnt Block Estrogen
Putting this here.
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the healthier way, and most anabolic way, to keep progestin/prolactin in check is to drop the caber (which is bad for your heart and not anabolic at all) is to run MATERON ,, it will blunt progestin receptors. it also has some anti estrogenic properties. and of course its anabolic and builds muscle.
also Masteron will lower SHBG , which will then free up more DHT into the blood stream . and thats how you take care of too much DHN, is simply by giving your body enough DHT.
^ you get those two things accomplished with one fairly safe and anabolic compound
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Estrogen is highly anabolic , cardioprotective, neuroprotective etc, but letting your estrogen go sky high and becoming a bloat lord is not healthy. just dont pop ai's like candy. take a small amount (when needed) and don't use them on a cruise.
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water retention is mainly caused by the drugs themselves, the androgen load.. not necessarily estrogen specifically (though it can play a small part).. the idea that bloat and water retention is only because of elevated estrogen is wrong.
and as slam cougars mentioned, diet plays a much bigger role.
but on the other hand, so what. if your trying to grow, water retention is a good thing and will help you put on size.
also you say its not good to let your estrogen levels get too high .. why not ? ir your perfectly ok with blasting androgens and getting your Test levels to very high supra physiological levels , why the heck are you afraid of getting your E levels high on occasions as well ?
heck, its probably more unhealthy walking around with 6000 ng/dl of test then it is walking around with above normal levels of estrogen, yet we don't blink an eye at that do we, we blast high androgens multiple times per year without thinking twice.. yet we are afraid of a little bit of elevated estrogen, lol
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yes, Tren is a derivative of Nandrolone . as such it will act directly on progestin receptors and overly sensitize you to estrogen (which is a good thing depending on your situation).. so running Masteron with it is a good idea.
however, unlike Deca , Tren is very androgenic and does not convert to DHN. quite the opposite, it will act directly on receptors as an androgen itself (unlike deca)..
deca is basically an anti androgen, where as tren is a very strong androgen
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06-06-2020, 02:56 PM #71Junior Member
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Let me see if i understand...
Always masteron with tren or deca to avoid the prolactina raise.
That way i dont need caber.
But if i understand what you have been told the libido depends on estrogen and dht.
Estrogen Will raise with test. But tren is 5 Times more anabolic than test.
When we use tren no need to use só much test.
If we use until now 750mg of test, the estradiol Will be on top. If we drop the test... Thre Will be unbalanced.
How is the best way to Control that after i use
Test + npp + eq + master
Im thinking in now switch to
Test + tren + master + oxa or winny.
What do you think?
Sorry all this questions but the more we learn less mistakes we Will do.
The main questions remains the best to use with tren 😁😁😁
Thanks
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Excellent read guys, great info here. I'll be skipping the adex from now on. If a guy was to run into gyno issues, would you just treat with Nolva in that case? Also what do you guys find is the most important diet factor when it comes to keeping BP in check. I find that LOTS of insoluble fiber helps keep my BP down. I also have to wonder if it doesnt help with bloat by pulling water to the colon, just a thought...
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06-09-2020, 12:45 AM #73Associate Member
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[/QUOTE] side note -- deca can kill sex drive though a couple mechanisms. the first being progestin activity (it will bind to progestins receptors and can raise prolactin levels too high) .. but the main thing , imo, is that it converts to DHN rather then DHT .. DHN will bind to DHT receptors but provide no androgenic activity.. so you have all this worthless DHN occupying receptors and then DHT levels falling off on top of that . then Deca crashes sex drive (cause it doesn't really convert to estrogen either... so you have falling DHT and estrogen levels)..
I'm NOT a fan of Deca only cycles at all[/QUOTE]
Then how can u reduce the dhn from deca cycles and improve your sex drive ?
Inject more test ? Up
The dose on anabolics like proviron Masteron or var etc ? To free up test ?
Asking for myself as i can see my libido is really low on npp test proviron cycle , while i can easily get a boner using viagra , its just i am not in mood to bank.Last edited by Getsomehate; 06-09-2020 at 01:14 AM.
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06-09-2020, 01:22 AM #74
That's true. You don't want gyno. But anybody who has ever taken too much Arimidex can tell you, your joints are stiff and sore. Not to mention you can have some certain sexual dysfunction as well (it doesn't only happen when estradiol was too high).
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side note -- deca can kill sex drive though a couple mechanisms. the first being progestin activity (it will bind to progestins receptors and can raise prolactin levels too high) .. but the main thing , imo, is that it converts to DHN rather then DHT .. DHN will bind to DHT receptors but provide no androgenic activity.. so you have all this worthless DHN occupying receptors and then DHT levels falling off on top of that . then Deca crashes sex drive (cause it doesn't really convert to estrogen either... so you have falling DHT and estrogen levels)..
I'm NOT a fan of Deca only cycles at all[/QUOTE]
Then how can u reduce the dhn from deca cycles and improve your sex drive ?
Inject more test ? Up
The dose on anabolics like proviron Masteron or var etc ? To free up test ?
Asking for myself as i can see my libido is really low on npp test proviron cycle , while i can easily get a boner using viagra , its just i am not in mood to bank.[/QUOTE]
Gear, already write that.
Use masteron while on cycle.
The test Will give you the estrogen needed, but you Aldo have to work your dht.
And that Will be solved with masteron
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06-09-2020, 06:19 AM #76Associate Member
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Then how can u reduce the dhn from deca cycles and improve your sex drive ?
Inject more test ? Up
The dose on anabolics like proviron Masteron or var etc ? To free up test ?
Asking for myself as i can see my libido is really low on npp test proviron cycle , while i can easily get a boner using viagra , its just i am not in mood to bank.[/QUOTE]
Gear, already write that.
Use masteron while on cycle.
The test Will give you the estrogen needed, but you Aldo have to work your dht.
And that Will be solved with masteron[/QUOTE]
what if u dont have access to it ??
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06-10-2020, 02:28 AM #77Junior Member
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Very confusing what if you want to run a mild Test-P/Tren -A cycle without masteron ? Does this mean you don't have another choice than to run caber with it? Some say you don't need caber at all and don't notice the prolactin side effects at all. Hence i think it depends on the dose of tren you take. If you're somewhere around the 150-250 range per week it might be less prolactin inducing or not?
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