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    Loss of Libido on cycle (Long time users, TRT BLAST N CRUSIE) help?

    Hi Guys. 40yr male 6'2 210lbs. 15 years using and on TRT for 12 years. I have been having issues maintaining a sex drive and mitigating gyno for several months now. I've been changing up my cycle, keeping a log of everything and I just can't seem to keep it regular. I get a day or two here or there with a strong drive then its gone.

    I am on week 3 right now of running:

    TEST E- 350mg, DECA 150MG, Turinabol 20mg ED, 12.5MG ANADROL

    I've tried dropping the orals a few times, no difference.

    I started having gyno on my second week injections, sensitive nipples some lumps starting. Took 12.5mg of exemestane, went away and sex drive was very strong. It slowly went away. Next week injection drive was strong, then dipped down and gyno showed up day 3. Took some exemestane again and gyno went down but no sex drive. I am wondering if I am over correcting or what.

    I've been playing around with all kinds of cycles for the last year or more with this issue and cannot seem to sustain a strong drive. Out of the blue I'll get it through the roof and times where its literally gone.

    Sadly I lost all my 10 years of logs but I remember taking 20mg of Tamox EOD on my first cycle of 375mg of test only and having an insane drive for months and months.
    Now days it seems like no one uses Tamox of Clomid on cycle and its all Arimidex or Exemestane. Looking for some feedback on that.

    Also hoping for some directive and timing on AI's from other long time experienced users. How long does it take to feel a normalization when estrogen is back in check?

    I plan to get some blood work soon. I did some about 2.5 years ago when I was having this issue and my SHBG was 6, my free test was 3x off the top of the chart, estrogen was mid range and total test off the chart but I had a very low libido.

    I ran a cycle of 300TEST/500DECA (which shouldn't be good for libido) about 8 months ago and the first 3 weeks were off the chart, then it just vanished and could never been found again even when I dropped the Deca.

    I've tried adding in Masterone at small doses... I've got every possible type of compound on hand. Looking for some experienced feedback.

    Thanks!!

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    Can you tell me exactly what your goal is and what compounds you have on your hand including PCT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSauce99 View Post
    I've been playing around with all kinds of cycles for the last year or more with this issue and cannot seem to sustain a strong drive. Out of the blue I'll get it through the roof and times where its literally gone.
    2 things...
    1: you are 40... having your old 25yr old sex drive back may be impossible.
    2: give yourself a solid break from AAS and let your body recover.... maybe just run 6-9 months of just TRT.

    Throwing random drug combos at it isn't the answer IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    2 things...
    1: you are 40... having your old 25yr old sex drive back may be impossible.
    2: give yourself a solid break from AAS and let your body recover.... maybe just run 6-9 months of just TRT.

    Throwing random drug combos at it isn't the answer IMO
    This.

    DECA is not helping the issue.

    Cialis can be a big boost to that happy level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quadzilla2020 View Post
    Can you tell me exactly what your goal is and what compounds you have on your hand including PCT.
    My goal is a good mid level maint dose cycle that keeps me strong (Im working out 6x a week) and keep my libido strong and feeling good.

    I never do PCT. I usually go to 175mg test / 100mg deca as a HRT.

    I have literally every compound possible on hand.

    thanks!

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    I'll try dropping the deca but that never seems to have done it. Cialis I've used many times, that helps but were talking about the mental libido.

    I've had that 25yr old drive many times when the gear seems to hit right.

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    Can anyone explain more what really happens taking time off and running just a lower does of TEST? I've read so many conflicting ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSauce99 View Post
    Hi Guys. 40yr male 6'2 210lbs. 15 years using and on TRT for 12 years. I have been having issues maintaining a sex drive and mitigating gyno for several months now. I've been changing up my cycle, keeping a log of everything and I just can't seem to keep it regular. I get a day or two here or there with a strong drive then its gone.

    I am on week 3 right now of running:

    TEST E- 350mg, DECA 150MG, Turinabol 20mg ED, 12.5MG ANADROL

    I've tried dropping the orals a few times, no difference.

    I started having gyno on my second week injections, sensitive nipples some lumps starting. Took 12.5mg of exemestane, went away and sex drive was very strong. It slowly went away. Next week injection drive was strong, then dipped down and gyno showed up day 3. Took some exemestane again and gyno went down but no sex drive. I am wondering if I am over correcting or what.

    I've been playing around with all kinds of cycles for the last year or more with this issue and cannot seem to sustain a strong drive. Out of the blue I'll get it through the roof and times where its literally gone.

    Sadly I lost all my 10 years of logs but I remember taking 20mg of Tamox EOD on my first cycle of 375mg of test only and having an insane drive for months and months.
    Now days it seems like no one uses Tamox of Clomid on cycle and its all Arimidex or Exemestane. Looking for some feedback on that.

    Also hoping for some directive and timing on AI's from other long time experienced users. How long does it take to feel a normalization when estrogen is back in check?

    I plan to get some blood work soon. I did some about 2.5 years ago when I was having this issue and my SHBG was 6, my free test was 3x off the top of the chart, estrogen was mid range and total test off the chart but I had a very low libido.

    I ran a cycle of 300TEST/500DECA (which shouldn't be good for libido) about 8 months ago and the first 3 weeks were off the chart, then it just vanished and could never been found again even when I dropped the Deca.

    I've tried adding in Masterone at small doses... I've got every possible type of compound on hand. Looking for some experienced feedback.

    Thanks!!
    Could be that your shgb levels are low. If that’s the case provirin will take care of it. Bloodwork is the only way to know for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wannabhuge14 View Post
    Could be that your shgb levels are low. If that’s the case provirin will take care of it. Bloodwork is the only way to know for sure.
    I am pretty sure that proviron strongly binds to SHBG.
    Thus proviron would be exactly the wrong thing to take if he has low SHBG.

    The reason that proviron enhances libido in some is that it binds to SHBG and thus increases free T which then can also increase estrogens. Both testosterone and estrogens are responsible for libido.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSauce99 View Post
    Can anyone explain more what really happens taking time off and running just a lower does of TEST? I've read so many conflicting ideas.
    IMO: running 80-100mg of test allows your lipids and bp and SHBG and the rest to return to normal levels.

    It takes months to clear out your system completely.

    Many guys will run a gram plus of gear and then just think that running "only" 250mgs of test for a month and viola... all damage in cleared.
    It doesn't work that way. First 250mg is above normal test levels (for the vast majority)...
    Secondly it takes 3-4 weeks to get the gram plus of gear out of your system. (ester dependant)
    Also, things such as cholesterol and hematocrit can takes 2+ months to get back to normal.
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    Look at yourself for example...
    you started getting gyno symptoms 2 weeks into a cycle....Why? Because you body was already screwed up from all the gear.
    "I've been playing around with all kinds of cycles for the last year or more..."
    I am willing to bet you've been on for more time than you've been off.

    And your TRT is more than a real TRT.
    "I never do PCT. I usually go to 175mg test / 100mg deca as a HRT."

    Now some will tell you that 175 test and 100 deca is perfectly fine for trt... but does it seem to be working for you?

    Remember it takes more gear to build new muscle than it takes to maintain it.

    My opinion. That's all.

    I believe in less is more.
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    Well said Dog, less is sometimes more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    I am pretty sure that proviron strongly binds to SHBG.
    Thus proviron would be exactly the wrong thing to take if he has low SHBG.

    The reason that proviron enhances libido in some is that it binds to SHBG and thus increases free T which then can also increase estrogens. Both testosterone and estrogens are responsible for libido.
    You are absolutely right don’t know why I was thinks it would raise them. Thanks for correcting my backwards ass good sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    Look at yourself for example...
    you started getting gyno symptoms 2 weeks into a cycle....Why? Because you body was already screwed up from all the gear.
    "I've been playing around with all kinds of cycles for the last year or more..."
    I am willing to bet you've been on for more time than you've been off.

    And your TRT is more than a real TRT.
    "I never do PCT. I usually go to 175mg test / 100mg deca as a HRT."

    Now some will tell you that 175 test and 100 deca is perfectly fine for trt... but does it seem to be working for you?

    Remember it takes more gear to build new muscle than it takes to maintain it.

    My opinion. That's all.

    I believe in less is more.

    Great points. I've been on way more than I've been "off" which is lower dose test and deca. I have IBS issues and Deca is fairly critical to be in there in a low dose to keep it at bay. Its actually a medically prescribed amount at 150mg test / 100mg deca.

    My BP, cholesterol and SHBG were all very good last check I had (Granted it was a while ago) and I was having those issues then. My SHBG even when before I was taking juice in my early 20's has been like 4-8, super low. My dr thought I was on juice back then to make it that low. It's bizzare.

    I will take your guys advice and drop to 150mg a week of TRT for sometime. I'll see if my IBS stays ok and just make sure I stay on 1-2iu of HGH which helps. It's been a LONG time since I've really ever been on just a low dose of test, likely 5+ years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSauce99 View Post
    Great points. I've been on way more than I've been "off" which is lower dose test and deca . I have IBS issues and Deca is fairly critical to be in there in a low dose to keep it at bay. Its actually a medically prescribed amount at 150mg test / 100mg deca.

    My BP, cholesterol and SHBG were all very good last check I had (Granted it was a while ago) and I was having those issues then. My SHBG even when before I was taking juice in my early 20's has been like 4-8, super low. My dr thought I was on juice back then to make it that low. It's bizzare.

    I will take your guys advice and drop to 150mg a week of TRT for sometime. I'll see if my IBS stays ok and just make sure I stay on 1-2iu of HGH which helps. It's been a LONG time since I've really ever been on just a low dose of test, likely 5+ years.
    if you were using Deca for IBS (and the deca through progestin receptor activation and converting to DHN rather then DHT is hurting your sex drive) and are now going to drop it. you may want to consider looking into the peptide BPC-157 for IBS. it helps with IBS and Chrones disease.

    on a side note-- libido.. keep in mind its estrogen that controls the male libido , not testosterone itself, and its DHT that helps you get hard. Deca can lower both those hormones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    if you were using Deca for IBS (and the deca through progestin receptor activation and converting to DHN rather then DHT is hurting your sex drive) and are now going to drop it. you may want to consider looking into the peptide BPC-157 for IBS. it helps with IBS and Chrones disease.

    on a side note-- libido.. keep in mind its estrogen that controls the male libido , not testosterone itself, and its DHT that helps you get hard. Deca can lower both those hormones.
    Good info. I've never had much of any issue of DECA causing loss of sex drive, even at a 1:1 ratio to test and I am at a 2:1 test to deca now. I'll drop the DECA for a bit and see what happens.
    I agree on the estrogen... I guess I need to get an estrogen test, I've just been monitoring it by taking light estrogen inhibitors when my nipples start getting sensitive and lumpy. But regardless of how I get that corrected or let it go my drive doesnt seem to engage strongly. I am using BPC157, 500mcg subq daily, might try that 2x a day.

    I guess blood work should shine more light on things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSauce99 View Post
    I guess I need to get an estrogen test, I've just been monitoring it by taking light estrogen inhibitors when my nipples start getting sensitive and lumpy. But regardless of how I get that corrected or let it go my drive doesnt seem to engage strongly.
    you do know that the number one most common side effect of using AI's like anastrozole is loss of libdo , right

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    2 things...
    1: you are 40... having your old 25yr old sex drive back may be impossible.
    2: give yourself a solid break from AAS and let your body recover.... maybe just run 6-9 months of just TRT.

    Throwing random drug combos at it isn't the answer IMO
    Most people don't want to hear this but it may be time to come off cycle for awhile and let your body find some balance.
    Ditch the orals, the AI's and just use a small dose of testosterone (100mg wk) for a few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    you do know that the number one most common side effect of using AI's like anastrozole is loss of libdo , right
    Yes, Ive used them successful in the past. The most successful thing I used actually was not an AI but TAMOX. It always restored my libido and kept gyno in check. AI's can over lower it and it needs to stay in that sweet spot. I'll get blood work next week. Thing is I know guys that stay on 500mg of test off-season and feel fine. This is a complicated one I am trying to sort out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashop View Post
    Most people don't want to hear this but it may be time to come off cycle for awhile and let your body find some balance.
    Ditch the orals, the AI's and just use a small dose of testosterone (100mg wk) for a few months.
    I think that maybe the right choice... I am going to get some blood work first and if it's not clear from that, I am going to drop to 125mg/week and see how I feel in a few weeks.

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