Bodybuilder dead at 35 from cancer from peptides

[poppz]

I just read an article on this guy, from Iran, isaac gavidel or something like that. Doctors say from peptides. Looked like a form of brain cancer or something.whats your thoughts on this?

[Iranon]

Peeds do not cause cancer, they can how ever accelerate the cancer growth. Peptides do not cause cancer and do not accelerate cancer growth.

90% of what you read in "the news" is a lie/propaganda.

[Test Monsterone]

Andreaz Munzer was found with liver tumors when he died in his 30's, but he was taking a ton of oral steroids , for years upon years, at massive doses. Obviously oral steroids are toxic to the liver/kidneys and can cause issues if taken in excess for prolonged periods. But, you can't take one article about a guy that had a brain tumor and make these kind of assumptions. Tons of people take these things without any negative effects. Me, personally, I would never take peptides or SARMs , as I don't know what they put in them. I'm already skeptical about UGL gear as it is, and whatever they put in that powder in China.

[solved]

He talked about dangers of peptide use and their side effects on his Instagram lately.
He also mentioned that maybe there's a connection between taking "fake PEDs and supplements" and his cancer.
I'm from Iran and yeah here's too much fake shit. But I doubt "top guys" buy their gear from where me and other gym rats take.

RIP brother

[JaneDoe]

Rip!

[warchild]

Can you post the article or link? Reminds me of the Lyle Alzado story when he said steroids caused his cancer when it was the hgh that did.

[poppz]

I seen it on reddit, not even sure if i could find it but they had a pic of a large surgery on his skull. Thats more scary to me saying it was hgh, because im considering doing that nxt.

[warchild]

I’m talking about the old gh that was taken from cadavers. Recombinant hgh is safer.

[JaneDoe]

Here it is!

https://fitnessvolt.com/issac-ghavidel-passes-away/

[< <Samson> >]

Shit

Well,

My o2 - some of this is quite true. We’re on a cocktail of drugs & PED’s - how the body will react - no one knows until it happens

Some - last for decades, running tons - some aren’t as lucky

After having to go through what I did - well, shit - They weren’t related

But, who fucking knows we’re using/abusing shit that is not meant to be - period

RiP to all of those that have fallen

[Cylon357]

Sounds like a bit of fear mongering, to say "peptides caused cancer". Hmmm ok.... which peptides? Where did they come from? If this guy were homebrewing his own peps, then yeah, that could be a bad time. Or if he were injecting some garbage from Wherethefrackistan, then sure, maybe they were at fault. But the mainstream peps, from reliable sources are pretty well studied and documented.

Still, individual response is a thing...

RIP.

[JaneDoe]

Sounds like a bit of fear mongering, to say "peptides caused cancer". Hmmm ok.... which peptides? Where did they come from? If this guy were homebrewing his own peps, then yeah, that could be a bad time. Or if he were injecting some garbage from Wherethefrackistan, then sure, maybe they were at fault. But the mainstream peps, from reliable sources are pretty well studied and documented.

Still, individual response is a thing...

RIP.

What has to be taken into account is the use of peptides such as HGH in high dosages. He certainly used absurd dosages.

[Cylon357]

What has to be taken into account is the use of peptides such as HGH in high dosages. He certainly used absurd dosages.

Really? I did not see anywhere in the article where it mentions what he took, or what quantities. If they meant "HGH", then say "HGH". There is mixed evidence even on HGH "causing" cancer, though some research suggests it might accelerate its growth if already present.

Saying and I quote the article here: his "...cancer was due to peptide consumption." Sounds a lot like "steroids are bad, m-kay?"

In other words, BPC-157 didn't cause his cancer.
TB-500 didn't cause his cancer.
Ipamorelin didn't cause his cancer.
and so on.

His cancer was likely present already and his use of "peptides" MAY have accelerated its development. We are all well versed enough to understand that. Saying "cancer was due to peptide consumption" is simply not provable, nor even likely, based on what we know at this time.

[JaneDoe]

Either way, the peptides accelerated pre-existing cancer. It's dead anyway! Tell me, is there a safe dosage of PEDS when it comes to performance? Does not exist! These top-notch bodybuilders will do anything to make it to the Open Olympia, many kill themselves before reaching their 40s. Well Cylon at no point did I say HGH caused cancer I said high doses could have developed a sarcoma in his brain. Competitive athletes abuse HGH and Slin (where is Dallas at this hour??)

I don't see why I wanted to romanticize the death of Issac Ghavidel, he used massive dosages of HGH 10iu of HGH per day (because that's what the heavyweights competing in the open do.

They use HGH with insulin slin among other peptides.


Just my point of view, all of us who choose to use know the risks, we know that peds can bring us problems to our health.

So in my humble opinion he already had genetic genes for the evolution of the disease, but you can be sure that high doses of peptides such as HGH among others contributed.

[JaneDoe]

Shit sorry I was on my wrong Tapa Talk account....

But yes Cylon he used high dosages of peptides,and don't need to be written in an article to know that.


He competed in the Olympia (Open) monster category, many of these guys use massive doses, no wonder they are new age freak monsters.

[Cylon357]

Shit sorry I was on my wrong Tapa Talk account....

But yes Cylon he used high dosages of peptides,and don't need to be written in an article to know that.


He competed in the Olympia (Open) monster category, many of these guys use massive doses, no wonder they are new age freak monsters.

I don't know what he took. It likely was crazy amounts of all kinds of drugs. And, that really isn't the issue.

What I take exception to is the statement in the article that peptides CAUSED his cancer. They MAY have made it worse but even that is open for debate.

Anyone can make the leap to "peptides cause cancer" if you want but the evidence in my opinion does not support that position. Still, everyone is entitled to their opinions and I can acknowledge that the same evidence might lead someone else to a different conclusion.

Blanket statements like this lead to further blanket statements like "peptides absolutely cause cancer and should be criminalized." This serves nobody's best interests except the FDA, DEA and big pharma.

[wango]

Shit sorry I was on my wrong Tapa Talk account....

But yes Cylon he used high dosages of peptides,and don't need to be written in an article to know that.


He competed in the Olympia (Open) monster category, many of these guys use massive doses, no wonder they are new age freak monsters.

My current mindset is that very little is not capable of causing cancer, so I stopped worrying and my BP dropped a few points. The weed killer I used last year, the red meat from the double cheeseburger I had for lunch, all of the secondhand smoke I inhaled as a kid and teen till laws were changed. God knows what’s in the gear that I get from UGLs. Estrogen that used to routinely be given to women for menopause was stopped because it can cause cancer, hmmm, do you think that they one day we might find out that testosterone given to older men just might as well? Live fast, die young and leave a beautiful corpse (although that suture is going to leave one hell of a scar)

[JaneDoe]

My current mindset is that very little is not capable of causing cancer, so I stopped worrying and my BP dropped a few points. The weed killer I used last year, the red meat from the double cheeseburger I had for lunch, all of the secondhand smoke I inhaled as a kid and teen till laws were changed. God knows what’s in the gear that I get from UGLs. Estrogen that used to routinely be given to women for menopause was stopped because it can cause cancer, hmmm, do you think that they one day we might find out that testosterone given to older men just might as well? Live fast, die young and leave a beautiful corpse (although that suture is going to leave one hell of a scar)

I think we all would like a sudden death! Our fear is sequels of AAS with a painful and slow death! So Wango brother, I must be 20 years younger than you or more, I'm 30 years old. When I was younger, I had the thought of not worrying about dying young because of AAS. My perception is no longer the same. I wouldn't want to suffer a stroke or any other shit in exchange for physical performance.



I've found that I can get a nice, not-too-muscled physique with just a nutritional diet and low-dose testosterone. That's the point, many of us need more nutrition than AAS, the food that builds a physique, I used to think AAS was a magic pill bro.



Well, that class of people who say TRT can cause cancer should be rebuked, I think supraphysiological doses are a very similar dose to what the male body manufactures. So I don't think it causes cancer! I've seen friends of mine who were taking over 1000mg of testo per week, die of a heart attack, but not of cancer! Of course, they had never met a doctor's office and abused injectable amphetamines to train what had screwed up their vascular system. Have a Wango night!

[Quester]

HGH, a peptide, accelerates growth rates of tumors. The danger is that one needs to be sure there are no tumors.
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Tumors + HGH = Bad
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(HGH, PEDs, or Peptides) + Blood work and proper use = good

[rise_against]

Peeds do not cause cancer, they can how ever accelerate the cancer growth. Peptides do not cause cancer and do not accelerate cancer growth.

90% of what you read in "the news" is a lie/propaganda.

I'm not so sure I agree. Anadrol is extremely liver toxic and has a lot of medical research backing the fact that it can increase risk of liver cancer. Anavar on the other hand has no evidence showing it to increase risk of liver cancer.

[Iranon]

I'm not so sure I agree. Anadrol is extremely liver toxic and has a lot of medical research backing the fact that it can increase risk of liver cancer. Anavar on the other hand has no evidence showing it to increase risk of liver cancer.

No medical studies state that Anadrol causes cancer. That being said Anadrol can cause tumors or blood-filled cysts in the liver.

It all sounds bad to me.

[poppz]

Dumb question here but peptides means hgh? Or other stuff?

[Cylon357]

Dumb question here but peptides means hgh? Or other stuff?

It isn't clear what they mean exactly.

[JaneDoe]

Dumb question here but peptides means hgh? Or other stuff?

HGH and Insulin is the top 1 peptide in competitive bodybuilding. So I think it's HGH.

[Honkey_Kong]

As far as I know, peptides haven't been clinically tested well enough to know if some can cause cancer or not. The media likes to blame things on their list of "demons" without any sort of proof. Without actual clinical data proving a compound is a carcinogen in humans (in doses a human would actually use), any claim should be regarded as bullshit. Just because somebody who takes a particular peptide gets cancer, it doesn't mean that peptide gave them cancer.

[JaneDoe]

As far as I know, peptides haven't been clinically tested well enough to know if some can cause cancer or not. The media likes to blame things on their list of "demons" without any sort of proof. Without actual clinical data proving a compound is a carcinogen in humans (in doses a human would actually use), any claim should be regarded as bullshit. Just because somebody who takes a particular peptide gets cancer, it doesn't mean that peptide gave them cancer.

The thyroid gland is linked with the hypothalamus of the brain... It all starts in the brain the gland only secretes HGH so I think that taking HGH in massive doses as in bodybuilding can cause some kind of problem in the brain for the predisposed individual. .As we don't know the aforementioned bodybuilder's health background, it's just going to be a speculation game...

[Honkey_Kong]

The thyroid gland is linked with the hypothalamus of the brain... It all starts in the brain the gland only secretes HGH so I think that taking HGH in massive doses as in bodybuilding can cause some kind of problem in the brain for the predisposed individual. .As we don't know the aforementioned bodybuilder's health background, it's just going to be a speculation game...

HGH may accelerate cancer growth. A lot of these compounds MAY accelerate it, but it doesn't mean they cause it. And I think we need to avoid speculation and fear porn and rely on facts which we can prove with evidence to be true. Otherwise this ceases to be an informational site.

[JaneDoe]

HGH may accelerate cancer growth. A lot of these compounds MAY accelerate it, but it doesn't mean they cause it. And I think we need to avoid speculation and fear porn and rely on facts which we can prove with evidence to be true. Otherwise this ceases to be an informational site.

Yes, I don't know. The media is saying nonsense without technical reports etc... That's why I said that speculating doesn't lead to anything.