Lost all Gains

**jpmacco** · 08-12-2003, 11:09 AM

I lost the 20lbs I gained after my first cycle. I was taking Deca , Sust, and primoteston and primobolan . Even though my diet and lifting routine was good, it all turned to fat so I ran it off.

I'm going to be starting my second cycle and am thinking about combining Equ. Deca, and Winstrol and Durabolin (if I can get a hold of it) I'm reluctant to ad test. to it just because I took lots of Sustanon my first cycle and eventually lost all my gains. I also don't want the damn side effects. I'm only looking to gain about 15lbs of muscle, but I really want to keep it this time.

Will this work? Let me know your thoughts.

Thanks!

***Pheedno*** · 08-12-2003, 11:12 AM

If you lost your gains from the first, you need to evaluate in detail every possible factor that lead to that result before you even consider jumping into another one.

List your age, stats, and experience along with your diet through the cycle and post cycle. Also, did you inorporate post cycle therapy ?

**BDTR** · 08-12-2003, 11:13 AM

Use a single ester test, and test gains are very keepable btw with propper post cycle therapy . What did you take post cycle? I hope you had some clomid in there.

**halifaxsteve** · 08-12-2003, 11:24 AM

yeah, bro...what was your PCT like? diet?

**jpmacco** · 08-12-2003, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Pheedno

If you lost your gains from the first, you need to evaluate in detail every possible factor that lead to that result before you even consider jumping into another one.

List your age, stats, and experience along with your diet through the cycle and post cycle. Also, did you inorporate post cycle therapy?

I'm 32, 175, 5'10 and have been lifting for about ten years.

I did incorprate post cycle therapy of nolvadex . I would eat lot's of chicken, moderate amounts of complex carbs, and little sugar...lot's of protein shakes. During the last month of my cycle began feeling fatigued and had to cut back on workouts to an hour every other day.

I was taking finasteride during this time so as not to lose hair.

**someday** · 08-12-2003, 11:35 AM

How about after cycle? Did your workouts continue or did you start skippin the gym?

**jpmacco** · 08-12-2003, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by someday

How about after cycle? Did your workouts continue or did you start skippin the gym?

I cut down on the post cycle routine because I was fatigued, but still went for an hour everyother day. That's all I could do. I still ate well during post cycle. I think I may have been eating too much protein which turned into fat.

***Pheedno*** · 08-12-2003, 11:50 AM

1. Replace the shakes with real food besides post workout.

2. At your height and weight, you need to be eating 3000 calories off cycle, so on it should up aroun 4000

3. You need fat to build and hold onto muscle. Start taking in some EFA's -Flax oil or Udo's.
and eat some steaks and burgers while on cycle. At least one meal with red meat a day. Also, keep calories elevated post cycle. The body needs butt loads to prevent catabolism

4. Next time, use clomid and Nolva post cycle

5. Finally, never do a cycle without test. It's the foundation for any cycle.

**jpmacco** · 08-12-2003, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Pheedno

1. Replace the shakes with real food besides post workout.

2. At your height and weight, you need to be eating 3000 calories off cycle, so on it should up aroun 4000

3. You need fat to build and hold onto muscle. Start taking in some EFA's -Flax oil or Udo's.
and eat some steaks and burgers while on cycle. At least one meal with red meat a day. Also, keep calories elevated post cycle. The body needs butt loads to prevent catabolism

4. Next time, use clomid and Nolva post cycle

5. Finally, never do a cycle without test. It's the foundation for any cycle.

Yeah, I thought test. was pretty vital!

Thanks for the advice man!

**DocHoliday** · 08-12-2003, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by jpmacco

I'm 32, 175, 5'10 and have been lifting for about ten years.

I did incorprate post cycle therapy of nolvadex . I would eat lot's of chicken, moderate amounts of complex carbs, and little sugar...lot's of protein shakes. During the last month of my cycle began feeling fatigued and had to cut back on workouts to an hour every other day.

I was taking finasteride during this time so as not to lose hair.

Alright, your carbs should have remained decent, not moderate for adequate energy. Also, excess protein can make you tired and lethargic.

I agree that natural protein would have been much better. Also, besides not providing your body with enough energy from food, you probably missed the 'intensity' test provided you.
You probably just needed to push past that, and no offense, kicked your own ass to lift heavy.

I would train a bit more before starting another cycle, but good luck with what you do.,

Doc