Help a friend pick the better 2nd cycle...

**J-Bud** · 08-22-2003, 12:42 PM

His stats are 27, 180lbs. His first cycle was 250 sust. weekly for 10 weeks.
He is trying to decide which of these cycles would be his best bet for #2.

Cycle 1.
400mg Test E weekly, shot 2Xs weekly.

Cycle 2.
250mg test E
250mg Deca

Both are 10 week cycles and will be followed with clomid and have nolva on hand.

THanks bros.

**DADDYDBOL** · 08-22-2003, 12:48 PM

250mgs of test isn't going to do anything........

**J-Bud** · 08-22-2003, 12:51 PM

Odd, he gained 18lbs and kept 14lb from 250mg of Sust (test). More is not always better, even more so since this is his 2nd cycle...

**DADDYDBOL** · 08-22-2003, 12:53 PM

test (any ester) 500mgs week
deca 400mgs
clomid and nolva pct (3 weeks after last inj.)

**DADDYDBOL** · 08-22-2003, 12:55 PM

Yeh some people respond to lower doses, his receptors are going to need more imo.

**toolman** · 08-22-2003, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by DADDYDBOL

250mgs of test isn't going to do anything........

WHat kind of comment is this. Did you ever try runnign just 250.

For many who try it, it is effective for a first or second cycle.

**animal-inside** · 08-22-2003, 12:55 PM

I agree with daddydbol... 500 mg a weeek for any ester...

sust is different...

go with the first one unless you want to adjust the 2nd cycle to what daddy said

**DADDYDBOL** · 08-22-2003, 12:59 PM

No, I wouldn't waste good test by running it at 250mgs a week. That would shut down my natural test and give me shitty gains with possible sides.

**Clark** · 08-22-2003, 01:02 PM

I would go with option 2 except up the test to around 400-500 EW.

**Rookiejay** · 08-22-2003, 01:09 PM

Personally, I'd go with option 2.
Here's my reasoning.

If he had good gains on 250 test. - with option 2 he'll get good gains from test and quality from deca (keeping more)

**arby** · 08-22-2003, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by J-Bud

Odd, he gained 18lbs and kept 14lb from 250mg of Sust (test). More is not always better, even more so since this is his 2nd cycle...

Then use less. If you want to go higher, shoot it every 4th or 5th day instead.

I've been meaning to write about this, but believe me when I tell you that 250mg of test for one person can put one person's blood serum levels to where they would be for 1g of test for another. Very rare and the variability is more often 2:1 than 4:1 but it is definitely there.

RB