first time user, just took first shot

[DocHoliday]

Oh one thing too... believe what they say, BO increases a lot... I normally cant smell anything from my underarms but now... man and you do get more oily skin...also weird is I have always been smooth skinned chest, now chest hair seems to be growing like crazy... Kinda late to have this type of change at the age of 38... but I do feel dramatically better and stronger.

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[mass junkie]

Good thread....I will be running a similar cycle.......here in a few weeks...................250 on mon and thurs of test-e for 10 weeks..........You'll get used to eating big it just takes a lil while........and dont worry about not being able to see your abs....you can always cut later.........Post some pics bro

[arrruken]

yeah i will, I took pics before I started. Ill take new pics every month I suppose, unless I starting gaining big week to week, in which case ill take one week to week and post it so you all have use it as your desktop background's. lol

[DocHoliday]

who?
me?

I'm still on week one, two shots under my belt.

[arrruken]

Doc im sure you already posted this, but what is your cycle. we are goin almost head to head in our cycles. it would be fun to see who comes out on top, and extra motivation.

[DocHoliday]

On top??? Lol, man you're crazy...ME...

Cycle:

wk 1-10 Test Enanthate RT 500mg ew (divided into two shots of 250mg)
wk 1-10 EQ 400mg ew (divided into two shots of 200mg)

PCT:

starting week 13
Day 1 300mg clomid/ 20mg Nolva
Day 2-11 100mg Clomid/ 20mg Nolva
Day 12-21 50mg Clomid/ 20mg Nolva

In my profile are my stats. Good chance I'll be at 200 after my cycle, but that scares me....I'll be a fucking tree stump.

Doc

[arrruken]

well its day 14 now, Ive gained 5 pounds already. dont know if its just the amount of food or what, but im not any fatter, my muscles just feel like they did when they were pumped before. I only started noticing any effects on Monday. Im sleeping like a baby, getting wierd dreams too. Definetly notice a "pumped" feeling, overall more confident and outgoing. I love this stuff. lots of boners too... how about you doc?

[Ntpadude]

well its day 14 now, Ive gained 5 pounds already. dont know if its just the amount of food or what, but im not any fatter, my muscles just feel like they did when they were pumped before. I only started noticing any effects on Monday. Im sleeping like a baby, getting wierd dreams too. Definetly notice a "pumped" feeling, overall more confident and outgoing. I love this stuff. lots of boners too... how about you doc?

At first you think maybe you're just filling up your abdomen with food but you see the scale moving endlessly upwards and you realize this is for real and man, progress at a rate you've never experienced before.

[DocHoliday]

Well Arruken, no test gains yet.

Sad to say, but I regret going on my cycle a little. Only because I broke my plateau just over three weeks before I injected. In 6.5 weeks I've put on 19lbs. So I stand, tomorrow being friday and I started my cycle on 10/12.

My strength hasn't increased abnormally, and I don't feel the God complex, nor the increased pump or aggression yet. Sunday will be my fifth injection and day 14.

I should feel the effects of EQ by now I thought. I'm finding my appetite decreasing since on AAS. So I'm finding new ways to pack more cals in each meal since I'm struggling.

Hopefully by injection 7 it will all kick in. I'm sure you're packing on weight from the test. Good luck. Keep keeping us posted.

Doc

[DocHoliday]

I started 10/12
so 12 days

[clockworks]

My strength hasn't increased abnormally, and I don't feel the God complex, nor the increased pump or aggression yet. Sunday will be my fifth injection and day 14.

heh, i was starting to think my steroids are broken. i've been on tren for 19 days and prop for 8 days. nothing yet. it seems us first timers are impatient, eh? we want this massive explosion to hit us on exactly on week 2... i've decide to just forget about it till week 5.

-- clocky

[Ntpadude]

heh, i was starting to think my steroids are broken. i've been on tren for 19 days and prop for 8 days. nothing yet. it seems us first timers are impatient, eh? we want this massive explosion to hit us on exactly on week 2... i've decide to just forget about it till week 5.

-- clocky

Hmmm... I've put the weight but I cant say I'd really turned into a superman or anything with the weights I can lift... but in reality, I have bumped up to the next weight level on the machine more then I was ever able to lift before but sometimes I do wonder if I didnt actually have a placebo effect and increase my calaries, proteins and force myself to jump the next level of weights to lift and actually got a bunch of gains naturally waiting for test to kick in...

On the other hand I have experienced several "without a doubt" effects and side effects so I think there is something valid in there.... Considering I was already being suggested by doctors for HRT some 5+ years ago and well I had no insurance at the time and damaged neck vertibrae from auto accident, I was laid off from working out because of neck pain and additional weight wasnt good idea for the healing process I decided to decline the HRT then. I think over the last 5 years my test levels dropped even further so I think I was primed to be responsive to any increased testosterone . Last January they suggested HRT again because my low blood pressure is getting lower and HRT would normalize the blood pressure at my HMO... dont know why I didnt want anything to do with steroids - even prescribed ones but I guess after years of pushing by doctors, the first time I got offered some on the black market, my first reaction was "Sure, why not?".... so here I am on a black market cycle with doctors all over the place more then happy and willing to give me HMO paid for HRT and I remember being told that I was so low on test, I would need higher then normal HRT doses, like weekly injections of 200 mg. I think my gains and improved outlook on this cycle is I have immediately fixed a serious deficiency that had suppressed weight gain for some time so I am not sure... If you think this is odd, for all the pushing to go on HRT, I have always had a healthy sex drive, wife has never complained... never had depression problems... I think my low testosterone is balanced by low estrogen, etc... so aside from doctors looking at blood tests and saying I need HRT badly, I otherwise wouldnt have known it.

[clockworks]

Hmmm... I've put the weight but I cant say I'd really turned into a superman or anything with the weights I can lift... but in reality, I have bumped up to the next weight level on the machine more then I was ever able to lift before but sometimes I do wonder if I didnt actually have a placebo effect and increase my calaries, proteins and force myself to jump the next level of weights to lift and actually got a bunch of gains naturally waiting for test to kick in...

On the other hand I have experienced several "without a doubt" effects and side effects so I think there is something valid in there.... Considering I was already being suggested by doctors for HRT some 5+ years ago and well I had no insurance at the time and damaged neck vertibrae from auto accident, I was laid off from working out because of neck pain and additional weight wasnt good idea for the healing process I decided to decline the HRT then. I think over the last 5 years my test levels dropped even further so I think I was primed to be responsive to any increased testosterone. Last January they suggested HRT again because my low blood pressure is getting lower and HRT would normalize the blood pressure at my HMO... dont know why I didnt want anything to do with steroids - even prescribed ones but I guess after years of pushing by doctors, the first time I got offered some on the black market, my first reaction was "Sure, why not?".... so here I am on a black market cycle with doctors all over the place more then happy and willing to give me HMO paid for HRT and I remember being told that I was so low on test, I would need higher then normal HRT doses, like weekly injections of 200 mg. I think my gains and improved outlook on this cycle is I have immediately fixed a serious deficiency that had suppressed weight gain for some time so I am not sure... If you think this is odd, for all the pushing to go on HRT, I have always had a healthy sex drive, wife has never complained... never had depression problems... I think my low testosterone is balanced by low estrogen, etc... so aside from doctors looking at blood tests and saying I need HRT badly, I otherwise wouldnt have known it.

thats an interesting story. are you afraid of crashing very hard post cycle? are you gunna reconsider HRT post cycle, or is it just one "black market" cycle and back to normal life?

-- clocky

[DocHoliday]

I was thinking that too, you concerned about crashing harder than a "normal" user? Do you have HCG on hand?

Where is Arruken?

[Ntpadude]

thats an interesting story. are you afraid of crashing very hard post cycle? are you gunna reconsider HRT post cycle, or is it just one "black market" cycle and back to normal life?

-- clocky

I am sure its going to happen... so I want to go ahead and push thru this mass gainer cycle, then once its done, go to the doctor and confess my sins and maybe let them take over the PCT... We dont have children because I think my low test levels gave me very low sperm count... my cum is typically clear fluid... HRT is supposed to increase my sperm count... so we might try to get the wife preggo this coming spring if it all works out... hell I think this is why my wife is agreeable with my cycle and trying to get sex every night as it is now... we think my sperm count has been much better since my cycle started... its actually quite thick and white for a change...

[arrruken]

Man this is getting graphic!
Im here Doc, same as before. whats up?

[DocHoliday]

nada arruken, just seein your checking your own thread. Got any updates?

[Ntpadude]

Man this is getting graphic!
Im here Doc, same as before. whats up?

Sorry about getting graphic.. I am normally a quiet guy not making waves, but since I got all full of testosterone ... I am not necessarily thinking the same way, more out going, etc.... I'll tone it down...

Just an update... my wife thinks she's had morning sickness the last 2 mornings... oh shit, oh shit, oh shit!

[arrruken]

not much updates. Im finally getting used to the diet and being hungry alot more, which is good i guess. and like i said, i gained 5 pounds in two weeks, but it was probably just from the diet and working out, i only check weight once a week so ill post if i gain any more. Im seeing some strength gains in my weak areas, biceps and legs; and my strong areas, triceps, chest, and back, seem to get stronger every time i work out. triceps especially hard to get sore. its a little over two weeks now.

[DocHoliday]

I got some exercises to blast them tricesps, but people say don't judge your workouts by how sore you get. I still do though.

Do you do weigthed bench dips? Put 45lb plates on your lap, as you're feet rest on one bench and hands on another.

I do 185 for 6reps, drop 1 45 and bust another 8, drop 1 45 and do another 8, until I'm doing my body weight. I have spotters that just keep ripping the plates off. The next set I go up to 7 reps, and the last I shoot for 8.

That gets my triceps hard.

I like how this thread is just a way for us to all post our results (clock, nptadude, arruken, me)

Instead of reverting to our own threads, just make this our own forum within a forum. LOL.

My strength is still increasing naturally. I've realized I've gained a lot more fat, but I'm up to 185, a 20lb gain in 7 weeks now. Only started test 2 weeks ago, but non of those gains are from that.

I might kick my cals back to 3,000 when the test kicks in, since I'm gaining so well to begin with, and to eliminate some of the fat. I know people will think that's crazy, but shit, I'm gonna look like a stump if I bump up to the 190+lbs.

I feel awkward when kids at the gym comment how I'm getting big, and in my head I'm thinking, fuck what are you gonna say christmas time when I'm done with my cycle...

[arrruken]

its 3 1/2 weeks into the cycle now. Ive gained at least ten pounds, and seeing big strength gains. Although Im gaining weight, Im not seeing a huge gain in muscle size, its more my overall shape(bigger chest, back, arms), but im not any fatter. I suppose im still around 6-8% bf. I guess Ill see big muscle gains a little later. My temper is just a little worse than usual, but controlled pretty well. I work in retail, so it can get tested often. Im wondering if my gains are out of the ordinary for someone that never really trained with heavy lifting before and considering my starting weight of 175 at 6' tall, or are because of the juice. Im finally used to the diet, and eating even more than I was forcing down before.
any updates Doc?

[Ntpadude]

its 3 1/2 weeks into the cycle now. Ive gained at least ten pounds, and seeing big strength gains. Although Im gaining weight, Im not seeing a huge gain in muscle size, its more my overall shape(bigger chest, back, arms), but im not any fatter. I suppose im still around 6-8% bf. I guess Ill see big muscle gains a little later. My temper is just a little worse than usual, but controlled pretty well. I work in retail, so it can get tested often. Im wondering if my gains are out of the ordinary for someone that never really trained with heavy lifting before and considering my starting weight of 175 at 6' tall, or are because of the juice. Im finally used to the diet, and eating even more than I was forcing down before.
any updates Doc?

You dont really see yourself turning into the hulk over 10 lbs... but when you find you've gained 20, you almost cant recognize yourself in the mirror and you'll be more impressed... I am week 5 and very happy with my 25 lbs gain so far... I hate to say it but the weight seems to come so easy and fast by comparison to doing it naturally that you want more and more and more weight and muscle... I am finding myself, even though my chest is measuring 3 inches more and my belly 1 inch less then before my cycle and 25 lbs... I am starting to look at myself thinking... damn I need a second cycle in April or something... I am still so friggin small... What kills me is these 3rd and 4th time cyclers at 240 lbs and they too are looking in mirror thinking how friggin small they are too... I donno I think its a steroid thing...

[DocHoliday]

It's just a body builder thing. We always see the same person, that same skinny build.

I'm going to start a PM or personal forum if possible to update each other since we all started within a few days of one another. Most of us are doing the same stack too...so I figure it would be helpful and informative for us all.

Included:

Clockworks, ntpadude, calipso, arruken, and myself.

Doc

[clockworks]

It's just a body builder thing. We always see the same person, that same skinny build.

I'm going to start a PM or personal forum if possible to update each other since we all started within a few days of one another. Most of us are doing the same stack too...so I figure it would be helpful and informative for us all.

Included:

Clockworks, ntpadude, calipso, arruken, and myself.

Doc

lets just start our own thread in the member results forum. just a thread where we can all post about our experiences whenever we want.

-- clocky

[DocHoliday]

ok, didn't know there was that forum...

I'm a tool.