first cycle... test-enanthate with winny tabs?

**sosa79** · 02-07-2004, 10:07 AM

This will be my first cycle, it was suggested to me to take 200mg of enanthate twice a week stacked with winny tabs. Any comments will help.
Curious about water retention and side effects.
Thank-you.

**Mr. Death** · 02-07-2004, 10:29 AM

How long are you running the enanthate ? I would run the winny tabs at 50mg/day for the final 6 weeks of the cycle. Are you aware of the proper use of anti-e's and PCT. If you are, then side effects shouldn't be a problem with this cycle.

**gregkovac** · 02-07-2004, 10:30 AM

I personally think a newbie can´t go wrong with 400mg deca , primo or eq along with some 400-500mg of test long acting ester like the one you mentioned or cypionate . And if you want to kickstart things maybe som dball @ 25mg/day. Would be good to know your stats though. And how long you´ve been training.

**CoRnErBaCk24** · 02-07-2004, 11:04 AM

go with just one compound such as test first to see how u respond to it.

**swole1210** · 02-07-2004, 05:33 PM

First cycle? I wouldn't run whinny tabs. Wait till your 2nd or 3rd cycle.
Learning from personal experience.

**Da Bull** · 02-07-2004, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by whiteykauai

this is the cycle you will run

1-10 250mgs of test enanthate twice a week, (sun, wed)
1-15 10mgs of nolvadex everyday (anti-estrogen)
12-15 clomid PCT
-300mgs for 1 day
-100mgs for 10 days
-50 mgs for 10 days

That cycle is fine.....but I'd go 12 wks myself,and also run the Nolv @ 20 mgs for pct.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 02-07-2004, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by gregkovac

I personally think a newbie can´t go wrong with 400mg deca, primo or eq along with some 400-500mg of test long acting ester like the one you mentioned or cypionate. And if you want to kickstart things maybe som dball @ 25mg/day. Would be good to know your stats though. And how long you´ve been training.

TO MUCH!!! A first cycle of test is the way to go!!!!

**monkeyjuice** · 02-07-2004, 07:17 PM

go with what whiteykauai & dabull said. all you need is test bro for your first cycle. Trust me! you will like what you see. But remember, DIET is what makes you grow. I keep a chart of waht i eat everyday to let myself know if i need to eat more. I have links at the bottom of my signitaure. they are helpful when bulking or cutting. Use them. This way i know i am gettting at least 300g of protien & 4000+ calories per day. That is essential towards growing!

test is the way to go, save the winny tabs for a second cycle! you will be happy you did

**sosa79** · 02-07-2004, 08:31 PM

thanx for the replies can I just save the winny tabs and do them solo later?

**Da Bull** · 02-07-2004, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by sosa79

thanx for the replies can I just save the winny tabs and do them solo later?

Not solo bro,save them for another cycle and stack them in.

**gregkovac** · 02-08-2004, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

TO MUCH!!! A first cycle of test is the way to go!!!!

It´s not too much. I don´t think you should use test by itself, it will be easier to keep the gains if u use test with some deca , primo or eq.

**Da Bull** · 02-08-2004, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by gregkovac

It´s not too much. I don´t think you should use test by itself, it will be easier to keep the gains if u use test with some deca, primo or eq.

Show the board your proff to back up your statement.

**DARKSEID** · 02-08-2004, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

Show the board your proff to back up your statement.

exactly

**gregkovac** · 02-08-2004, 08:32 AM

I´m talking from my own experience. You do as you want to do and i´ll do what works for me. Later.

**gregkovac** · 02-08-2004, 01:29 PM

And also i think personal experience is more trustworthy then something you´ve read in a book. You can´t learn to drive by just by reading a book can you? If I´m correct you´ve only got one cykle under your belt. Did your 1st a year ago? So you don´t have much to go on, and call personal experience. I always like to get advice from different people and their point of view. Especially those with personal experience.