Deca and Winny

**CagedAnimal44** · 03-19-2004, 10:28 AM

Going to run deca and winny together. Should I start winny with the deca or after a couple of weeks? This is my first cycle and I want to be sure. I'm 6' 245# and want to add 5-10 and get leaner. My bf is around 10-15%. Any help would be appreciated.

***asymmetrical1*** · 03-19-2004, 10:33 AM

get ready to hear the following:
where's the test?

**Jackman** · 03-19-2004, 10:36 AM

ahhhhhhhh not another one of these!

**Sorken** · 03-19-2004, 11:15 AM

Thy should write somewhere " No test, No cycle " . So everybody, all newbies can see it !!

***Billy_Bathgate*** · 03-19-2004, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by CagedAnimal44

Going to run deca and winny together. Should I start winny with the deca or after a couple of weeks? This is my first cycle and I want to be sure. I'm 6' 245# and want to add 5-10 and get leaner. My bf is around 10-15%. Any help would be appreciated.

Thats a great cycle. ID run it like this though. First I would go ahead and drop the winny. Then Id go ahead and drop the deca . After that, Id get some test and start somewhere around 400-500mg for 10wks. Stack that with some nolva and/or ari and youd have a good cycle, assuming you have PCT.

**TheMudMan** · 03-19-2004, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Billy_Bathgate

Thats a great cycle. ID run it like this though. First I would go ahead and drop the winny. Then Id go ahead and drop the deca. After that, Id get some test and start somewhere around 400-500mg for 10wks. Stack that with some nolva and/or ari and youd have a good cycle, assuming you have PCT.

So are you saying he should run a test only cycle and use anti-e's as well............ That's so crazy it just might work

***Billy_Bathgate*** · 03-19-2004, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

So are you saying he should run a test only cycle and use anti-e's as well............ That's so crazy it just might work

Ya..just felt like a more creative reply...

**TRE** · 03-19-2004, 11:31 AM

I just responded to another one of these, its amazing the amount of beginners that think deca without test is a good idea.

***asymmetrical1*** · 03-19-2004, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Billy_Bathgate

Thats a great cycle. ID run it like this though. First I would go ahead and drop the winny. Then Id go ahead and drop the deca. After that, Id get some test and start somewhere around 400-500mg for 10wks. Stack that with some nolva and/or ari and youd have a good cycle, assuming you have PCT.

rofl.....this is post of the month

**powerlifter** · 03-19-2004, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

So are you saying he should run a test only cycle and use anti-e's as well............ That's so crazy it just might work

hahahahahaha

**Blown_SC** · 03-20-2004, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by whiteykauai

ahhh man i thought these threads were gone, i guess spring break is still coming up for some

LOL... some of my friends at school (and myself before i joined AR), thought that a deca cycle without test would be good too. Goes to show what little education most people (myself included) posess about AS.

**TooSmall** · 03-20-2004, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by Billy_Bathgate

Thats a great cycle. ID run it like this though. First I would go ahead and drop the winny. Then Id go ahead and drop the deca. After that, Id get some test and start somewhere around 400-500mg for 10wks. Stack that with some nolva and/or ari and youd have a good cycle, assuming you have PCT.

rotflmao
had to switch it up eh lol

**beefydragon** · 03-20-2004, 01:01 AM

Yep, I myself made the same mistake of posting ahead of time. But I would like to say thanks to this website though. Otherwise I wouldn't have gotten the test-e this week.

Well, gaining right now, just not sure if it's muscle or water. Gimmie a few weeks and I'll let u know.

-J Mo

**Musa** · 03-20-2004, 01:05 AM

Ok ,It is not a MUST to run deca with test, and if somebody think it is, that person is not right....I had my first cycle (i did not know what i was doing) with deca ONLY 400 a week for 6 weeks and i gaind about 15 muscle and 10 pounds of fat(I was eating to much) ,and no side effects. ...so even if i am do only one who had a good experience , you can not say that you have to take test with deca....It is better if you do , you will probably gain more but it is not a MUST...around 1980 that was the golden cycle...We had a guy on this forum who took 1200(deca, his first cycle) a week ,he did a mistake, and he did not experience any bad side effects...............
so do not just write what other people say....write it from your personal experience.......
I AM NOT SAYING THAT ANYBODY IS WRONG....
thanks

**TheSevnthWarrior** · 04-13-2004, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Musa

Ok ,It is not a MUST to run deca with test, and if somebody think it is, that person is not right....I had my first cycle (i did not know what i was doing) with deca ONLY 400 a week for 6 weeks and i gaind about 15 muscle and 10 pounds of fat(I was eating to much) ,and no side effects. ...so even if i am do only one who had a good experience , you can not say that you have to take test with deca....It is better if you do , you will probably gain more but it is not a MUST...around 1980 that was the golden cycle...We had a guy on this forum who took 1200(deca, his first cycle) a week ,he did a mistake, and he did not experience any bad side effects...............
so do not just write what other people say....write it from your personal experience.......
I AM NOT SAYING THAT ANYBODY IS WRONG....
thanks

The reason we say not to run Deca (or anything for that matter) without test, has nothing whatsoever to do with gains.
No one is saying that Deca alone will not produce gains.
Apart form all the sides (and Yes they do exist, for some worse than others, and some others simply just don't notice them) Deca can/will shut you down considerably harder than many other gears being ran at the same amount.
Also, recovery on a Nandrlone only Cycle is considerably longer, and harder to obtain that the same cycle with Test included.
BTW, just so you know, I am a HUGE Deca advocate, I will Never run a bulker without it, but it does scream for respect from certain categories.
TSW

**Honest Abe** · 04-13-2004, 01:48 PM

"write it from your personal experience".......ok heres my experience:

deca w/o test i will never do again! i will not trade muscle for sex, and thats the bottom line.