hey fellas, because its so hard around here to get these two (anything for that matter), most people around here dont even bother. And most of the the otc products that you all mention are illegal here. on the rare occasion we come across proviron , but have been told too use it during your last 3wks, then 4wks after. Is there anything else that mite help me with this problem??? thats not illegal here... thanx