What's better than Tae Kwon Do?

[KAEW44]

What happened to the old vitor?

[sonar1234]

Is first lost to Randy Couture slowed him down.

Many people said that without is machine gun punching he was nothing, i remember that in one UFC fight he took it to the ground and won by rear nacked chock.

Its really sad to see him lose like he does now and going into smaller shows to get wins against no name fighters.

[Gettin Big]

all the dishin of TKD tells me that you know shit about modern sport Taekwondo, I am a 5th Dan Master in Olympic TKD, actually I own a successful full time school, we do 90% sport 10% traditional, I have been in a few fights in my time against average joes, boxers, kickboxers, judoists etc. etc. won some lost some, but never got my ass kicked, everybody who takes a martial art isn't gonna be a superstar, any martial art just like someone who plays hockey isn't guarenteed to make it to the NHL, or be any good at all for that matter. There are alot of factors like genes, instinct, instructor, heart, discipline, work ethic, style of martial art etc. etc. In these days if you want to be a well rounded fighter then be just that WELL ROUNDED example is take BJJ, Taekwondo, Muay Thai, take everything that will help in the fight game, obviousely if you want to fight in the UFC your not going to do forms. But let me remind you that not everyone takes a Martial Art wants to be a fighter... don't get me wrong once you get your black belt you should be able to defend yourself and no it does not mean that you will be able to beat everyone, once you get your black belt you are NOT an expert, basically all you have done is learnt the alphabet, the black belt is just the beginning, I have seen some very good boxers, BJJ guys, kickboxers and more get their ass royally kicked by a really good street fighter who never new anything about martial arts, he just was super tough, super fast and had good fight instincts, he was born with it. In my school I have National Champions, lots of fighters and some people who just want to get in shape and do some in school controlled spparring, they have no desire to compete, thats why I have certain nights that are for competitors and certain nights that are for self-defence and forms, guys all Martial arts have their pros and cons, even in traditional BJJ there is no striking, the modern BJJ guys who fight in no holds barred events take everything, boxing, and yes even Taekwondo. Olympic Taekwondo guys who are elite have amazing speed, agility, balance and tremendous footwork, so if any of these guys want to fight in UFC style events, I call up my kickboxing, boxing, Judo buddies and we make him well rounded for what ever event he chooses, good luck guys, I respect all Martial Artists, and by the way, I charge $660.00 per year and I run a full time school open 6 days a week and I work over 60 hours a week, I think my charges are justified.

[USfighterFC]

what do you mean 90% sport? And honestly the whole point is getting through TKD's belts is they're very easy to acquire. I saw my brother get his at an early age and these bros on here got theirs too easily and people like Pete Sell in the UFC got his and said they give them out to easily. If the work ethic isnt there then whats the whole point of even having belts. Its more like they're for show than anything.

[Gettin Big]

what do you mean 90% sport? And honestly the whole point is getting through TKD's belts is they're very easy to acquire. I saw my brother get his at an early age and these bros on here got theirs too easily and people like Pete Sell in the UFC got his and said they give them out to easily. If the work ethic isnt there then whats the whole point of even having belts. Its more like they're for show than anything.

Bro, dont judge all TKD by some schools who are not up to par, in Taekwondo there is sport and martial art, the sport side of it is the fighting and fighting techniques, no traditional forms, no stances, just exercises that help you be a better Taekwondo fighter, Taekwondo is a kicking sport, so there is 90% kicks, boxing is a punching sport, so 100% punches, MMA is a mix of stand up and ground, and even the rules in the ufc are changing so that most guys stand up and fight, it gets boring to see guys wrestle for 30 minutes, so they stand you up after a bit, and don't go by those videos that say Muay Thai verses Taekwondo, I seen that video and that Taekwondo was just average at best, he was far from elite, that was not a good representation of Taekwondo. If you take a Taekwondo fighter and put him in UFC he will get killed because he is playing under a totally different set of rules than what he trained for, the same goes for boxers, kickboxers and even BJJ guys, if you take a guy who just knows BJJ and no strikes, put him in with Chuck Liddell and he will get his head punched and kicked off, you need to be well rounded, and remember Chuck Liddell started in traditional Kempo Karate, and now look at him, one of the best, thats because he has heart, work ethic, and good fighting instincts, with Chuck, he could have taken any style and still be well above average, but he's smart enough to get well rounded with an array of different styles

[big ron fan]

I think takwondo is real good alot of kicking ...i wsa a yelow belt but i had to quit. I want to get in cage fighting...and help here? I am 28 yrs old.

[FranKieC]

I have been taking Kempo and am loving it.

[big ron fan]

Kempo is what i think i will do frankie,,,it has knockout power like chuck lydel

[DwinsChamps]

What is Kempo all about?

[big ron fan]

a lot of power blows and punching and kikin good for cage fighting, i am a cage fighter

[Gettin Big]

Taekwondo is the best at kicking period, there kicks are fast and powerful, and yes there are alot of showy kicks in taekwondo and some people say that they are just for show...well guys that is mostly true, the high spinning kicks and 360's are for show(mostly for demonstrations) but they do take alot of athletic ability. A smart fighter knows what kick to use at what time, I would never attack with a back kick or a 360 or a spin kick, but they make real nice counters, I was sparring with a boxer once, we went three 3 minute rounds, and in the first two I just used basic kicks he hit me with some nice punches, I hit hi with some kicks and punches, nothin fancy and mid way through the third round I think he forgot that TKD guys can kick good, he was backing me up with punches, I was sliding back to escape the flurry and hit him in the ribs with a counter back kick, broke 2 of his ribs, fight was over. In a real fight the only way I would use a fancy kick like a spin kick is if i caught the guy off guard or if he was real winded. One of my students asked me once why do we practise high kicks, I explained it like this, if I can kick hard at 6 feet in the air think about how hard I can kick you in the thigh.

[DwinsChamps]

Gettin Big, I couldn't agree with you more.

By the way, to what extent is kicking incorporated in Kendo? I'm only used to TKD, so had do the two compare?

[Panzerfaust]

Taekwondo is the best at kicking period, there kicks are fast and powerful

I honestly disagree, best at kicking with little to no power 90% of the time? Yes. Kicking with full power to the head, midsection or to the legs 100% of the time would be Muay Thai.


The reason why the masses laugh at TKD is all the BS schools that are around, i personally have never seen a good school associated with TKD. Are they out there? I am sure they are...

Flexibility seems to be great in TKD, other than that..i will leave it to you guys to do your Kata's and body armor sparring sessions.

I will also add the cockiness of alot of BJJ guys, to many think once they get a Blue Belt that they can take on the world, its funny actually because most likely that is who you have seen get their ass handed to them by a street fighter.

[sonar1234]

Taekwondo is the best at kicking period, there kicks are fast and powerful, and yes there are alot of showy kicks in taekwondo and some people say that they are just for show...well guys that is mostly true, the high spinning kicks and 360's are for show(mostly for demonstrations) but they do take alot of athletic ability. A smart fighter knows what kick to use at what time, I would never attack with a back kick or a 360 or a spin kick, but they make real nice counters, I was sparring with a boxer once, we went three 3 minute rounds, and in the first two I just used basic kicks he hit me with some nice punches, I hit hi with some kicks and punches, nothin fancy and mid way through the third round I think he forgot that TKD guys can kick good, he was backing me up with punches, I was sliding back to escape the flurry and hit him in the ribs with a counter back kick, broke 2 of his ribs, fight was over. In a real fight the only way I would use a fancy kick like a spin kick is if i caught the guy off guard or if he was real winded. One of my students asked me once why do we practise high kicks, I explained it like this, if I can kick hard at 6 feet in the air think about how hard I can kick you in the thigh.

Counter back kick are one of the best weapon TKD has and you dont see that in any other martial arts, i broke a lot of ribs when i was competing with this kick.

Its lethal, but its true that today you get your black belt real fast too damn fast.

I was blue belt after 7 years and fought a guy that was blue belt after 6 months, nearly killed him in competition.

Also tkd should incoroprate more head blocks, since you are not allowed to head kick before green belt lots of people get kocked out cause they dont protect there heads enough.

All in all like i said i add fun training tkd, did seminars and more.

But i want to explore a more complete sport like Muay thai. Keep the counter back kick has a suprise in my arsenal.


Gettin Big i have a lot of respect for you, you have been training for a long time 20 years is amazing and very well disciplined.

Good luck in the futur

[sonar1234]

The reason why the masses laugh at TKD is all the BS schools that are around, i personally have never seen a good school associated with TKD. Are they out there? I am sure they are...

Flexibility seems to be great in TKD, other than that..i will leave it to you guys to do your Kata's and body armor sparring sessions.

I will also add the cockiness of alot of BJJ guys, to many think once they get a Blue Belt that they can take on the world, its funny actually because most likely that is who you have seen get their ass handed to them by a street fighter.[/QUOTE]


TKD is the most practied martial art in the world its true that its full body armour and the head gear can really get on your nerves sometimes.

Its even more dumb that ITF another federation of TKD has kata and point system competition.

TO get the real tkd you need WTF

[groundandpoundpwr21]

Whats better than tkd, damn near everything.

[USfighterFC]

TKD is a sport of kicking. That's all it is. Even in K-1 you never see TKD guys around anywhere. It's always Muay Thai or kickboxing.

[BOUNCER]

I've said this so many times. Two of the best street fighters I've worked doors with were TKD fighters. Reading about TKD here and other sites I think the style must suck bigtime in the USA.

[sonar1234]

I've said this so many times. Two of the best street fighters I've worked doors with were TKD fighters. Reading about TKD here and other sites I think the style must suck bigtime in the USA.

TKD si like anything, you get what you put in, i competed for 7 years, i wasnt your average martial artist that goes in does is 2 hours classes twice a week and goes home.

I add classes on Tuesday, Thuerday and Friday nights for 2 hours plus Saturday morning was sparring for 3 hours.

Between that i used to go to the gym to weight train in the morning has well 3times a week, and before a competition there was a swimming pool at my gym so i was swimming almost every morning and used the sauna a lot go get to my competition weight.

Someone that rams you with a push kick or a counter back kick you will feel it.

I have been hard on Shotokan karate but there are some solid competitor out there, they love there arts and more, i can say that even if i am against the lame point system fighting and kata.

I respect Gettin Big whey of thinking a lot cause he is right not everyone aspire becoming a champion or a fighter.

SOme people are just glad to practive a martial art, some even make it a family sport going with there kids to practice karate.

My tkd school was very competitive and we trained like hell each time, did numerous push ups and crunches, ran around the school and more.

Fights where full contact too and we did get injured from it.

[Gettin Big]

I respect evryones comments and inputs, and honestly guys, we are all adults here,....well at least most of us are and comparing styles is SOOO old school!! Thats why the UFC started was to compare styles, the only problem was that the rules they used were beneficial to BJJ guys, thats why at first the Gracies cleaned house, and believe me I have a ton of respect for the Gracies, but how many of them are champions of the UFC now?? What happened was everyone started training in everything and in a few short years the sport evolved, there's no styles anymore in the UFC they are all Mixed Martial Artists, by the way never seen anyone from Taekwondo do well in the UFC??? Then you don't pay attention Kimo was a black belt in TKD and so was Maurice Smith, he started in Taekwondo got his black belt and then went into kickboxing, and muay thai, and evrything else that would make him better, get my drift?? He beat Mark Coleman, a world class wrestler. And Gary Goodridge is a black belt in TKD. I don't know about the states, but in Eastern Canada, most of the schools are reputable or they don't get sanctioned by WTF Canada, we train hard, we fight hard and we kick hard, my instructor who won the 1998 Canadian Nationals and competed for Team Canada at the Pan-Am games once sparred with a friend of ours who is one of the best boxers in Canada, they went a few rounds, the fight went back and forth, the boxer hit him with some amazing punches to the body and head, and the TKD master in turn hit him pretty hard with some nice head and body shots, when the fight was over there was 5 of us watching and we all agreed that it was too close to call and we called it a draw, if you say TKD isn't as good as some other styles then you haven't seen the TKD that I have seen and I have been around the block a time or two.

[Panzerfaust]

I respect evryones comments and inputs, and honestly guys, we are all adults here,....well at least most of us are and comparing styles is SOOO old school!! Thats why the UFC started was to compare styles, the only problem was that the rules they used were beneficial to BJJ guys, thats why at first the Gracies cleaned house, and believe me I have a ton of respect for the Gracies, but how many of them are champions of the UFC now?? What happened was everyone started training in everything and in a few short years the sport evolved, there's no styles anymore in the UFC they are all Mixed Martial Artists, by the way never seen anyone from Taekwondo do well in the UFC??? Then you don't pay attention Kimo was a black belt in TKD and so was Maurice Smith, he started in Taekwondo got his black belt and then went into kickboxing, and muay thai, and evrything else that would make him better, get my drift?? He beat Mark Coleman, a world class wrestler. And Gary Goodridge is a black belt in TKD.

First off, the UFC was brought about to show which style was the best when pitted against another style. BJJ easily took that title. And you say the rules favored BJJ? Dude, what was it in the rules that favored them over anyone else? No biting or eye gouging or fish hooking was all they asked until UFC 5 if i am correct. What rules do you speak of? That's asinine to say the "rules" favored BJJ, no the rules favored whichever art was better, a TKD, Muay Thai, Wrestling practioner does not need eye gouges or biting to prove his arts superiority.

As for Kimo being a TKD BB, well alot of people were a BB in sometimes a martial art that did'nt exist like "Pit Fighting", Paul Varlens later stated they made that up for him and Goodridge was given an honorary BB in what was it, TangSuDo? Goodridge has discussed it before. Not to mention when Kimo first entered the Octagon he had already studied BJJ but it was not until after Royce beat him did he dedicate his training full time to BJJ under Joe Moreira and is now one of Joe's BB's.

Yes, there are alot of guys that have a TKD background and yes they were successful due to the fact they started to cross train in BJJ, Wrestling, Submissions etc...

Maurice sure in the hell did'nt beat Coleman by doing spinning kicks etc..he trained with Frank Shamrock and TK and trained hard his groundgame, and then when Coleman gassed, Mo took over on the feet. Very smart but by that time guys already were starting to cross train and the style vs style idea was all but dead.

All arts have thier place like Sonar1234 stated he will keep some of his TKD moves on the back burner and if an opportunity came he would fly across the room with his TKD on somebodys ass.

And why are the Gracie's not champions today? Shit, thats easy..they refuse to adapt plain and simple..a few have tolerable standup (Ryan, Rodrigo to name a few). To many killers in this sport these days...way to good at everything for a one demensional fighter like the Gracies to come in and beat them...just wait for Hughes to fight Royce and you will see what i mean.

[sonar1234]

muriloninja great point

[USfighterFC]

First off, the UFC was brought about to show which style was the best when pitted against another style. BJJ easily took that title. And you say the rules favored BJJ? Dude, what was it in the rules that favored them over anyone else? No biting or eye gouging or fish hooking was all they asked until UFC 5 if i am correct. What rules do you speak of? That's asinine to say the "rules" favored BJJ, no the rules favored whichever art was better, a TKD, Muay Thai, Wrestling practioner does not need eye gouges or biting to prove his arts superiority.

As for Kimo being a TKD BB, well alot of people were a BB in sometimes a martial art that did'nt exist like "Pit Fighting", Paul Varlens later stated they made that up for him and Goodridge was given an honorary BB in what was it, TangSuDo? Goodridge has discussed it before. Not to mention when Kimo first entered the Octagon he had already studied BJJ but it was not until after Royce beat him did he dedicate his training full time to BJJ under Joe Moreira and is now one of Joe's BB's.

Yes, there are alot of guys that have a TKD background and yes they were successful due to the fact they started to cross train in BJJ, Wrestling, Submissions etc...

Maurice sure in the hell did'nt beat Coleman by doing spinning kicks etc..he trained with Frank Shamrock and TK and trained hard his groundgame, and then when Coleman gassed, Mo took over on the feet. Very smart but by that time guys already were starting to cross train and the style vs style idea was all but dead.

All arts have thier place like Sonar1234 stated he will keep some of his TKD moves on the back burner and if an opportunity came he would fly across the room with his TKD on somebodys ass.

And why are the Gracie's not champions today? Shit, thats easy..they refuse to adapt plain and simple..a few have tolerable standup (Ryan, Rodrigo to name a few). To many killers in this sport these days...way to good at everything for a one demensional fighter like the Gracies to come in and beat them...just wait for Hughes to fight Royce and you will see what i mean.

Thank God you said all this cuz I really wasn't gonna. Thank you

[Gettin Big]

First off, the UFC was brought about to show which style was the best when pitted against another style. BJJ easily took that title. And you say the rules favored BJJ? Dude, what was it in the rules that favored them over anyone else? No biting or eye gouging or fish hooking was all they asked until UFC 5 if i am correct. What rules do you speak of? That's asinine to say the "rules" favored BJJ, no the rules favored whichever art was better, a TKD, Muay Thai, Wrestling practioner does not need eye gouges or biting to prove his arts superiority.

As for Kimo being a TKD BB, well alot of people were a BB in sometimes a martial art that did'nt exist like "Pit Fighting", Paul Varlens later stated they made that up for him and Goodridge was given an honorary BB in what was it, TangSuDo? Goodridge has discussed it before. Not to mention when Kimo first entered the Octagon he had already studied BJJ but it was not until after Royce beat him did he dedicate his training full time to BJJ under Joe Moreira and is now one of Joe's BB's.

Yes, there are alot of guys that have a TKD background and yes they were successful due to the fact they started to cross train in BJJ, Wrestling, Submissions etc...

Maurice sure in the hell did'nt beat Coleman by doing spinning kicks etc..he trained with Frank Shamrock and TK and trained hard his groundgame, and then when Coleman gassed, Mo took over on the feet. Very smart but by that time guys already were starting to cross train and the style vs style idea was all but dead.

All arts have thier place like Sonar1234 stated he will keep some of his TKD moves on the back burner and if an opportunity came he would fly across the room with his TKD on somebodys ass.

And why are the Gracie's not champions today? Shit, thats easy..they refuse to adapt plain and simple..a few have tolerable standup (Ryan, Rodrigo to name a few). To many killers in this sport these days...way to good at everything for a one demensional fighter like the Gracies to come in and beat them...just wait for Hughes to fight Royce and you will see what i mean.

What rules you ask???? what about long rounds, what about not standing them up after being in the guard for 20 minutes, thats how bjj trained, as soon as they changed the rules and started standing them up and having shorter rounds then the bjj guys weren't winning all the time...man I'm not saying that Taekeondo is the shit, but you obviousely don't know anything about it, so don't dish it, you make it sound like that all that Tkd is is spinning kicks and jump kicks, that tells me that you seen some old school TKD from 10 years ago, if you watch a world class WTF TKD match then you will see that 90% of the techniques are basic kicks like roundhouse to the mid section, escaping an attack and counter cut kicks, very rarely do you see points scored with 360's and spin kicks, maybe at an amature level, but an expert can counter those kicks very easily, and by the way, we don't even teach jump kicks anymore ...thats old school ITF shit thats outdated, modern taekwondo has evolved and this is just not my opinion it's a fact, a good elite taekwondo fighter who has good instincts and good genes can train for mma's and do very well, they have the footwork,the kicks, the conditioning , all they need to do is learn the ground game and some boxing. And as far as Matt Hughes of course he will kill Royce Gracie, Matt is in his prime, it's not even fair, I don't know why Royce is even taking this fight, hopefully he has been cross training, but hey bro we all have our opinion and I respect yours, but I don't think that you have seen good Taekwondo, they really do have incredible speed, and power, and amazing footwork and the reason they have such good footwork is because of the ring that we fight in, you can't muscle someone in the corner, and if you go out of the ring you get warnings that can get you disqualified, so the fighters learn how to use footwork to get out of the corner of the ring.

[Panzerfaust]

What rules you ask???? what about long rounds, what about not standing them up after being in the guard for 20 minutes, thats how bjj trained, as soon as they changed the rules and started standing them up and having shorter rounds then the bjj guys weren't winning all the time

Ok, so having few rules and making it as close a "real" fight as possible was'nt fair, i see where you are coming from.

Rule changes and standups were implemented to keep the flow of the fight going and when these took affect the style vs style shit was dead.

This is my final word on this subject, either you get it or you don't:

1. BJJ was proven to be the most effective martial art when pitted against another martial art style

2. The sport evolved as fighters began cross training and no one can honestly be called a Kickboxer or a Boxer anymore, these guys are Mixed Martial Artists plain and simple. The only people that could be considered a particular style would be the Gracie's although all cross train a tad but not enough to make a difference.

3. Rule changes did not have as much to do with BJJ guys losing as was the fact that the Muay Thai guy across the cage was now armed with a good sprawl and submission defense. Believe me, it ****ing sucks when you can't get a guy down when he is jacking you up on your feet and is a god awful feeling...and those BJJ guys that did not evolve died out (Wallid, Goes, Moreira to name a few).

Now you have guys like Minotauro, Wanderlei, Shogun, Liddell, Sakuraba, Hendo, Ninja, Gomi....not one of these fighters are one demensional..they can't afford to be. Three of the names i mentioned are current MMA champions.

No time limit is just not possible as we all want this to be a sport, this is no longer a spectacle and i am glad it has come this far although i have alot of disagreements with the state of the UFC as there is such a thing as to many rules.

Pride for me has the best rules in place and should be the standard MMA rules IMO, but i am not sure it will happen as far as all MMA organizations following one set of rules like Boxing...then agian i don't want it to look like Boxing if at all possible although the UFC is doig a good job of screwng that up.


Thats all i have to say....peace!

[Gettin Big]

BTW muriloninja, just got done watching UFC, David Loiseau from Montreal knocked a guy out with a spinning back kick, Joe Rogue interviewed him after and David Loiseau bragged about how he is a black belt in Taekwondo, I know from experience that Quebec Taekwondo fighters are very good, they win most of the National Championships, and some of them made the Olympic Team, so here is a black belt in TKD who spent the last few years learning the ground game, and loiseau is one of the best up and comers in the UFC, exactly the point I made earlier, Taekwondo gave him the base and he expanded his skills and is now kickin ass in the UFC, tell him that Taekwondo sucks!!!

[USfighterFC]

BTW muriloninja, just got done watching UFC, David Loiseau from Montreal knocked a guy out with a spinning back kick, Joe Rogue interviewed him after and David Loiseau bragged about how he is a black belt in Taekwondo, I know from experience that Quebec Taekwondo fighters are very good, they win most of the National Championships, and some of them made the Olympic Team, so here is a black belt in TKD who spent the last few years learning the ground game, and loiseau is one of the best up and comers in the UFC, exactly the point I made earlier, Taekwondo gave him the base and he expanded his skills and is now kickin ass in the UFC, tell him that Taekwondo sucks!!!

I've seen 1000 people throw a spinning back kick including sakuraba and mark hunt, andy hug, jerome lebanner, cro cop, hoost, abidi, filho etc. Wow Loiseau landed it. Its like a spinning back fist, sometimes it lands, most times it doesnt. There is an up and comer from every different martial art backround ever made and many more of them than from TKD. BTW gary goodridge got his start in MMA representing JKD and admittedly knew jackshit about the art. He walked into a dojo that was getting ready to send a fighter to the UFC and goodridge made a deal if he beat their guy the dojo would back him to go to the UFC. He beat the JKD guy and went on to the UFC. Tell me this how many times do you really see and TKD fighter use any of their skills in their fights in MMA or successful fighters besides your canadian friends who have a TKD base. I believe it was Pete Sell or Matt Serra who got a black belt in TKD and called it the biggest BS art in MMA where getting a blackbelt was simpler than putting legos together. Loiseau will remain that, just an up and comer. No more no less. GSP is a diff story.

[USfighterFC]

I'm not comparing arts here every art should be respected I just thing your very much overplaying your hand here.

[Gettin Big]

I'm not comparing arts here every art should be respected I just thing your very much overplaying your hand here.

No I don't think Im overplaying my hand here, Im defending a sport that people are dishin that really don't know about it, and man alot of guys use their TKD skills in MMa, we kick in TKD, we use footwork, and yes we even punch, and on self defense classes we even do arm bars and chokes, just dont dish something you dont understand, one more last point then I am finished on this subject, I was taking a Judo class once and our instructor showed us a throw, and I did it and he was very impressed with my form, the reason the throw was so easy for me was because the technique to get into position to do the throw was in one of our Taekwondo forms that I practised a million times, I just thought it was neat that a move that I learnt in a Taekwondo Form(kata) helped me perform a judo throw...good luck fellas, keep trainin hard.

[USfighterFC]

No I don't think Im overplaying my hand here, Im defending a sport that people are dishin that really don't know about it, and man alot of guys use their TKD skills in MMa, we kick in TKD, we use footwork, and yes we even punch, and on self defense classes we even do arm bars and chokes, just dont dish something you dont understand, one more last point then I am finished on this subject, I was taking a Judo class once and our instructor showed us a throw, and I did it and he was very impressed with my form, the reason the throw was so easy for me was because the technique to get into position to do the throw was in one of our Taekwondo forms that I practised a million times, I just thought it was neat that a move that I learnt in a Taekwondo Form(kata) helped me perform a judo throw...good luck fellas, keep trainin hard.

See i dont remember any arm bars or chokes in TKD in america.....I think maybe in canada there are so few schools its not like here. In america they're so common that I think there is a ton of bullshit they're carrying here. I dont know how they do it in canada i'd be curious to see the difference.

[Gettin Big]

See i dont remember any arm bars or chokes in TKD in america.....I think maybe in canada there are so few schools its not like here. In america they're so common that I think there is a ton of bullshit they're carrying here. I dont know how they do it in canada i'd be curious to see the difference.

Yeah in the big cities it's like that sometimes,so many schools that it gets watered down, and I have even seen some guys who aren't Taekwondo say that they are Taekwondo because of the popularity, they hang a Korean flag, put on a Taekwondo uniform and start enrolling students. In my school we have free style nights where we bring in BJJ guys, judo guys etc and learn the game and roll around on the mat, I cant speak for everyone but my Taekwondo school is evolving, I love the art and sport but I am smart enough to know that you need to know alot more to be effective at self defense than traditional Taekwondo, cheers guys!!! nice chattin with ya's