Jackson and Cro Cop... Right decision??

[uponone23]

Most people who keep up with fighting on the other side of the pond know that Quinton Jackson and Mirko Filipovic are two of the most dangerous fighters in the world at their weights. While they are fantastic fighters they both never beat the # 1's in their weight classes. Jackson has 2 losses to Wanderlai and Filipovic cannot beat Fedor (apparantly he made a deal with the russian satan and no one can).

So if it would have been you would you have come over to the UFC where it was all but a sure thing for you to have some hardware around your waste very soon or would you have stuck it out and tried to beat your Nemesis????

[pepperoni]

well Quinton didnt have much choice, about coming to the ufc, he had already gone to the wfa, and they were bought out. But I dont think anyone thinks he had much chance of being a champion in pride. I also dont believe he has much chance of being a champion in the UFC as long as Chuck is there, so for him its basically wherever the money is better.

Crocop didnt want to wait around in pride for a long time to get that rematch, because Fedor has signed with Bodog for that one fight in March and who knows what he will do after that. So seems like he made the right choice (partially based on money again) considering the rematch with Fedor wasnt a guarantee anytime soon.

[xpijeonx]

Not to say Rampage couldnt have fought in Pride again but he was fighitng in the WFA?(I think it was the WFA) and UFC bought them so it could have been part of the purchase for the UFC (Rampage's contract).

Either way I am excited to see Liddel V. Jackson and I am damn excited to see Crocop KILL Silvia.

[xpijeonx]

I just barely got beat to it...

[westcoastbadboy]

Anderson Silva is considered a low level k1 fighter, and mirko is top level k1 fighter. Silva crushed Chris Leban and Rich Franklin so dont be surprised when Mirko knock out Tim and Chuck at 205.

[sonar1234]

THis is so damn wrong, i just watched Anderson Silva fight against Ryo Chonno Pirannah and Anderson has evolved since then, in this fight there was a lot of ground fighting, he lost by a very cool flying hank lock.

In UFC Anderson changed is way of fighting always moving pressing the fight and working angles. For him UFC is a real joke and i feel he was wasting is time, i am pertty sure that he will not stay there for long, he will again beat Franklin in there rematch and then move on to bigger and better things (I hope).

Quinton Jackson will do very well in UFC, if he shows up in a rematch with Chuck has he did back in 2003 in Pride with is great boxing technique he has a big chance to beat Liddell again, but Liddell is on a roll, no prediction here and i didnt see Quinton last fight against Lindland.

Crocop made one serious mistake and am sure he is going for the quick $$$, there is no challenge for him in UFC and i really hope that within a year he is back in Pride to give the real MMA fan what they wanna see a rematch against Fedor.

UFC has a long way to go to give us quality matches like Pride provides, with great stand up and ground fighting.

[rar1015]

Anderson Silva is considered a low level k1 fighter, and mirko is top level k1 fighter. Silva crushed Chris Leban and Rich Franklin so dont be surprised when Mirko knock out Tim and Chuck at 205.

Mirko at 205???? I dont think so.

[sonar1234]

Yeah he could be he would end up like Joe Riggs so small without energy.

[thekaydense]

Yeah he could be he would end up like Joe Riggs so small without energy.

stupid ****.

joe riggs cut 130 pounds!

mirko would have to cut.....8!?

st pierre cuts 14 pounds for every fight and he has no energy apparently...

[MASTER]

Anderson Silva is considered a low level k1 fighter, and mirko is top level k1 fighter. Silva crushed Chris Leban and Rich Franklin so dont be surprised when Mirko knock out Tim and Chuck at 205.

Or chuck could gain a pound and fight mirko

[uponone23]

I was thinking this too... that Filipovic could hold both belts at some point... A la randy cotoure... and I'm not positive about this but i think he has fought at 205 some years back... I'll have to research it.

[soo2bhuge]

Mirko could fight at 205 no problem. He fought Wanderlei at their last fight weighing around 218lb and he didn't cut any weight. In fact, at the time of the fight, Silva outweighed him by 5lb.

[Sepsis]

rampage's contract was bought by the UFC, he said it himself that he got sold like a 'runaway slave'. mirco is in the UFC because they reportedly gave him 3 or 4 times the money that pride was giving him. i would have gone also. it is a business move and he will be champ in the UFC in no more than 3 fights!

[davinci191]

I was really suprised with cro-cop making that move as well. I really thought he was in this to beat the best its not like he's hurting for money. the guy is a member of his country's senate. do you know any poor people in government. but I guess I can understand, we all have a price. I just thought he was in this sport to say I beat the best. but what ever he will have an easy time in the UFC and a nice bank account

[J.S.N.]

they're just going to go where the money is. these jiggas is getting paid shit compared to boxers with mma's popularity exploding in the united states. deals like CC's are going to make it better for everyone eventually.

[sonar1234]

stupid ****.

joe riggs cut 130 pounds!

mirko would have to cut.....8!?

st pierre cuts 14 pounds for every fight and he has no energy apparently...

Hey ya lame piece of shit go post on the sherdog board if you feel like insulting people. Asshole

You should change your name has well and call it THEGAYSENSE.

[sonar1234]

Ya Either way Chuck will need to change division at some point cause he beat everyone.

So its either to go down at 185 and face Silva or go up in weight and fight CroCop.

[uponone23]

or get some balls and fight wanderlai... Or go back to Japan and fight in another pride tournament.

[Hunter]

or get some balls and fight wanderlai... Or go back to Japan and fight in another pride tournament.

I am not a huge chuck fan but blame dana for that one. I would say most of the elite fighters will fight anyone. Blame dana who is egotistical maniac

[sonar1234]

I am not a Chuck Liddell fan either but i admit he is quit impressive at nearly 40 years old he beat some real tought guys and skilled guys has well.

Babalu, Jeremy Horn when both of them are in there early 30.

I am pertty sure he could beat Quinton Jackson in am rematch and give Wandy a good run for is money.

I dont think that Dana would send Chuck or anyone else to Pride, Pride never held there end of the bargain and never sent no one to UFC, that is quit lame of them cause many times Dana did send some fighters to UFC.

They only way Chuck or any other UFC fighters would go to Pride is if they where signed by them.

[Hunter]

I am not a Chuck Liddell fan either but i admit he is quit impressive at nearly 40 years old he beat some real tought guys and skilled guys has well.

Babalu, Jeremy Horn when both of them are in there early 30.

I am pertty sure he could beat Quinton Jackson in am rematch and give Wandy a good run for is money.

I dont think that Dana would send Chuck or anyone else to Pride, Pride never held there end of the bargain and never sent no one to UFC, that is quit lame of them cause many times Dana did send some fighters to UFC.

They only way Chuck or any other UFC fighters would go to Pride is if they where signed by them.

Good post, however I still blame dana lol. He has such an ego, and shoots his mouth of way to much. He needs to put his ego aside like he did when he resigned ortiz and penn. Liddell would do well in pride and pretty much the only ones who will see it is the hardcore fans. Also it pisses me off how they will not mention pride, pride always treated Couture and liddell well and mentioned them. The ufc should treat pride in the same manner.

[sonar1234]

Good post, however I still blame dana lol. He has such an ego, and shoots his mouth of way to much. He needs to put his ego aside like he did when he resigned ortiz and penn. Liddell would do well in pride and pretty much the only ones who will see it is the hardcore fans. Also it pisses me off how they will not mention pride, pride always treated Couture and liddell well and mentioned them. The ufc should treat pride in the same manner.

Pride is trying to enter the US market and i am sure that Dana is scared, UFC is still very popular in the US and here in Canada has well, fact of the matter is that Pride is very new to many people.

THis is why Dana is buying off the competition namely WFA and WEC.

[thekaydense]

Hey ya lame piece of shit go post on the sherdog board if you feel like insulting people. Asshole

You should change your name has well and call it THEGAYSENSE.

good one. have to ask your son for a savy insult?

[TheDfromGC]

Good post, however I still blame dana lol. He has such an ego, and shoots his mouth of way to much. He needs to put his ego aside like he did when he resigned ortiz and penn. Liddell would do well in pride and pretty much the only ones who will see it is the hardcore fans. Also it pisses me off how they will not mention pride, pride always treated Couture and liddell well and mentioned them. The ufc should treat pride in the same manner.

the reason pride would mention ufc was because they didnt feel threated by ufc. they knew they were better and didnt need to worry about losing fans to ufc. but ufc on the other hand, wants to keep pride as quiet as possible especially now with them coming to US, if alot of the ufc fans that dont know a thing about pride start to see these better fighters coming out of this organization they may switch interest causing less cash for white. even though now with ufc signing crocop and rampage they are getting much more respectable. also, i remember seeing somebody say they have ryoto machido fighting on next card but im not positive

[TheDfromGC]

stupid ****.

joe riggs cut 130 pounds!

mirko would have to cut.....8!?

st pierre cuts 14 pounds for every fight and he has no energy apparently...

u wont be here too long with posts like that

[Standard01]

stupid ****.

joe riggs cut 130 pounds!

mirko would have to cut.....8!?

st pierre cuts 14 pounds for every fight and he has no energy apparently...

You are an idiot, plain and simple. Riggs cut 130 pounds, are you really serious. Yes at one point he weighed 300 pounds, so you did the math huh smart guy. He walks around nowadays at about 195, so he cuts 25 which is a lot. Mirko walks around at about 235 and cuts/trains his way to 225ish. So Mirko would have to cut around 25-30 pounds. Its possible, but his performance would probably suffer a bit, thats not to say he wouldn't still be good enough to take the 205 belt though.

[Standard01]

I was thinking this too... that Filipovic could hold both belts at some point... A la randy cotoure... and I'm not positive about this but i think he has fought at 205 some years back... I'll have to research it.

Definitely not in MMA. He's always weighed between 220-235 in his MMA fights. In his early K-1 days he probably weighed about 205.

[Standard01]

THis is so damn wrong, i just watched Anderson Silva fight against Ryo Chonno Pirannah and Anderson has evolved since then, in this fight there was a lot of ground fighting, he lost by a very cool flying hank lock.

In UFC Anderson changed is way of fighting always moving pressing the fight and working angles. For him UFC is a real joke and i feel he was wasting is time, i am pertty sure that he will not stay there for long, he will again beat Franklin in there rematch and then move on to bigger and better things (I hope).

Quinton Jackson will do very well in UFC, if he shows up in a rematch with Chuck has he did back in 2003 in Pride with is great boxing technique he has a big chance to beat Liddell again, but Liddell is on a roll, no prediction here and i didnt see Quinton last fight against Lindland.

Crocop made one serious mistake and am sure he is going for the quick $$$, there is no challenge for him in UFC and i really hope that within a year he is back in Pride to give the real MMA fan what they wanna see a rematch against Fedor.

UFC has a long way to go to give us quality matches like Pride provides, with great stand up and ground fighting.

I agree with most of what you said, with the exception of the Anderson Silva over rating. He had a great flawless victory against Rich Franklin, thats it. His ground game and take down defense will be exploited. He is damn good, but it was just one fight(Leben is a joke). I think there are 5-6 guys in the MW division that have a very good chance of beating Anderson.

[wist0025]

I was wondering if anyone has seen that fight between jackson and liddell, he got the mowhawk beat off of him in that fight. I really don't see him giving him much more of a fight than he did last time.

[KAEW44]

Rampage is more of an "entertainment" signing at this point until he can prove he still has what it takes to beat the top 205's out there! He has been inactive for a while and hasnt faught top 205 competition for a while, but his personality sells tickets!

Signing CroCop was just the transition which will give UFC a Legit heavyweight feel and also it will bring along many international fans with it since Mirko just won the OWGP. If UFC continues to make such fighter aquisitions then it will be no surprise if UFC gets that Fuji TV deal which Pride lost!!

[zimmy]

good one. have to ask your son for a savy insult?

yay...another couch fighter... we don't insult each other like that here buddy. Drop the internet tough guy sh*t and chillax.

[kihop]

Rampage is more of an "entertainment" signing at this point until he can prove he still has what it takes to beat the top 205's out there! He has been inactive for a while and hasnt faught top 205 competition for a while, but his personality sells tickets!

Signing CroCop was just the transition which will give UFC a Legit heavyweight feel and also it will bring along many international fans with it since Mirko just won the OWGP. If UFC continues to make such fighter aquisitions then it will be no surprise if UFC gets that Fuji TV deal which Pride lost!!

^very true..i've had many japanese roomates who've never cared too much for the ufc before...i see them this past week and it's all they talk about..

[thekaydense]

You are an idiot, plain and simple. Riggs cut 130 pounds, are you really serious. Yes at one point he weighed 300 pounds, so you did the math huh smart guy. He walks around nowadays at about 195, so he cuts 25 which is a lot. Mirko walks around at about 235 and cuts/trains his way to 225ish. So Mirko would have to cut around 25-30 pounds. Its possible, but his performance would probably suffer a bit, thats not to say he wouldn't still be good enough to take the 205 belt though.

mirko weighs 213. he doesnt cut. he doesnt need to cut. he walks around already in his weight class. tool

my point in sayin what i did is that comparing him to riggs is stupid.

if you properly replenish yourself, energy isnt a problem.

[thekaydense]

yay...another couch fighter... we don't insult each other like that here buddy. Drop the internet tough guy sh*t and chillax.

but someone telling me to change my name to GAYDENSE isnt tough guy shit?

this is like people picking on the new kid in town lol

[Standard01]

mirko weighs 213. he doesnt cut. he doesnt need to cut. he walks around already in his weight class. tool

my point in sayin what i did is that comparing him to riggs is stupid.

if you properly replenish yourself, energy isnt a problem.

Trying to set you straight is clearly like trying to set a 5 year old straight. You really think Mirko walks around at 213? Get real, he is a pretty big dude. I even made a point to say that he cuts/trains his way to 225ish, meaning he walks around at 235 and then with intense training leading up to a fight he gets down to 225, so to cut an additional 20 pounds would not be easy. You are so simple minded that you didn't understand my post and what you got out of my post is that I think he cuts for a certain weight class. Then you attempt to set me straight by saying he walks around in his weight class, and you call me tool. You honestly think I don't know he walks around in his weight class based on my post. Try to think for yourself, you saw him listed at 213 once and now you just go with that, please. Like someone said earlier in this thread, you probably belong at Sherdog. The comparison of Mirko and Riggs as far as cutting weight makes perfect sense. Proportionately Mirko would have to cut around the same amount to make 205, pretty simple. Your rebuttal to that was that Riggs cuts from 300

[uponone23]

Definitely not in MMA. He's always weighed between 220-235 in his MMA fights. In his early K-1 days he probably weighed about 205.

Dude he fought chuck and owned the belt at 205 for a while..... Now he is coming back as a heavyweight but he doesn't want to cut weight anymore I don't think.

[Standard01]

Dude he fought chuck and owned the belt at 205 for a while..... Now he is coming back as a heavyweight but he doesn't want to cut weight anymore I don't think.

I'm sorry I didn't know you were new to MMA, its very basic knowledge that Randy fought at 205 that was practically yesterday. I thought you were referring to Mirko when you asked if someone had fought at 205. Mirko was a 200 pound string bean(compared to now) when he started out in K-1 10 years ago, but like I said has always fought at HW in MMA. Randy started as a small HW(225) in 97-02, then came back in 03-05 as a LHW, now its 07 and back to HW.

[Minimart]

i think that this is a smart move for rampage and crocop to show america that they are some mean mother ****ers and shake up ufc a little bit i mean look at sliva in there for two fights bam new middle weight champ and it will give chuck and tim on there toes. Personally i hope that crocop knocks the **** out of tim i hate him. but i think it is a smart move on there part

[uponone23]

I'm sorry I didn't know you were new to MMA, its very basic knowledge that Randy fought at 205 that was practically yesterday. I thought you were referring to Mirko when you asked if someone had fought at 205. Mirko was a 200 pound string bean(compared to now) when he started out in K-1 10 years ago, but like I said has always fought at HW in MMA. Randy started as a small HW(225) in 97-02, then came back in 03-05 as a LHW, now its 07 and back to HW.

Bro I am in full realization that Randy was a heavyweight first... I misunderstood your statement and thought you were saying that Randy had never been anything but a heavyweight. Oh by the way there was no need to be a d!ck about it.

[scriptfactory]

Hey ya lame piece of shit go post on the sherdog board if you feel like insulting people. Asshole

You should change your name has well and call it THEGAYSENSE.

Wow. 1st grade called. It wants it's insult back.